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Sustanon 250 and Tren E 200 what is good MG for each one on a weekly time frame?
Appreciate the help and the advice. I've done these two together this year and the last two years. I forget what I did the first year but last year I did 500/300 Sust/Tren E and got great results but I broke out with pimples on my chest and lower back so much that I never wanted to take my shirt off because I was embarrassed. Had finally got my body in a way I liked it and couldn't even show it because of pimples. Lol. But this year I'm currently doing 400/300 Sust/Tren E and so far no pimples no problems but for some reason I just feel like I could tweak one of them higher to get better results. Like maybe start moving the tren to match the sust at 400 equally but not sure. That's why I'm here asking if anyone knows stuff to get more informed.400 tren E is not really alot, 400 ace would be. Something like 600mg would be a high first dose for E. Ive always found Ive had to run the tren E higher than ace.
Maybe @AnabolicGuru could weigh in, pretty sure he ran 400 E on his first tren cycle.
250 sus is plenty with something like tren, no need at all to dose it higher (the ester mix is irrelevant). And hey, natural blood levels with their diurnal peaks and troughs are comparatively "all over the place".
Cinnamon works wonders on acne. 500 4-6x’s a dayAppreciate the help and the advice. I've done these two together this year and the last two years. I forget what I did the first year but last year I did 500/300 Sust/Tren E and got great results but I broke out with pimples on my chest and lower back so much that I never wanted to take my shirt off because I was embarrassed. Had finally got my body in a way I liked it and couldn't even show it because of pimples. Lol. But this year I'm currently doing 400/300 Sust/Tren E and so far no pimples no problems but for some reason I just feel like I could tweak one of them higher to get better results. Like maybe start moving the tren to match the sust at 400 equally but not sure. That's why I'm here asking if anyone knows stuff to get more informed.
Things could go really bad if he pins, say 400-600mg of tren e and as the levels start to climb he starts to experience bad sides.400 tren E is not really alot, 400 ace would be. Something like 600mg would be a high first dose for E. Ive always found Ive had to run the tren E higher than ace.
Maybe @AnabolicGuru could weigh in, pretty sure he ran 400 E on his first tren cycle.
250 sus is plenty with something like tren, no need at all to dose it higher (the ester mix is irrelevant). And hey, natural blood levels with their diurnal peaks and troughs are comparatively "all over the place".
400 tren E is not really alot, 400 ace would be. Something like 600mg would be a high first dose for E. Ive always found Ive had to run the tren E higher than ace.
Maybe @AnabolicGuru could weigh in, pretty sure he ran 400 E on his first tren cycle.
250 sus is plenty with something like tren, no need at all to dose it higher (the ester mix is irrelevant). And hey, natural blood levels with their diurnal peaks and troughs are comparatively "all over the place".
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400 tren E is not really alot, 400 ace would be. Something like 600mg would be a high first dose for E. Ive always found Ive had to run the tren E higher than ace.
Maybe @AnabolicGuru could weigh in, pretty sure he ran 400 E on his first tren cycle.
250 sus is plenty with something like tren, no need at all to dose it higher (the ester mix is irrelevant). And hey, natural blood levels with thei
Youve run tren E a couple of times right? Then yes, if youre wanting to push the envelope a bit more then Id be inclined to run the tren at 400mg and the sust at 250.Oh so ur saying If I'm on 400/300 just/tren e a week I should go up to 100 with then to 400 and go down like 150 mg to 250mg with the sust? So 250/400 sust/tren
Youve run tren E a couple of times right? Then yes, if youre wanting to push the envelope a bit more then Id be inclined to run the tren at 400mg and the sust at 250.
Theres no guarantee this will get you what you want, but I think its arguably the most effective approach generally speaking.
Have you already started though? Im not a fan of tweaking too much during a cycle, esp test.
Yup, I ran 200mg sust along with 400mg tren e and it worked out great for me. Obviously everyone is different, so I’m not implying that everyone should do that, but seeing as to how Op has experience with tren, then I see no issues with that haha. Definitely loved that cycle and the sides were pretty tolerable considering how most people tend to react to tren.400 tren E is not really alot, 400 ace would be. Something like 600mg would be a high first dose for E. Ive always found Ive had to run the tren E higher than ace.
Maybe @AnabolicGuru could weigh in, pretty sure he ran 400 E on his first tren cycle.
250 sus is plenty with something like tren, no need at all to dose it higher (the ester mix is irrelevant). And hey, natural blood levels with their diurnal peaks and troughs are comparatively "all over the place".
Thanks man I appreciate the advice a lot. Yea I've had good results first two years but this year wanted to try and tweak a little because I felt I had it slightly tweaked the wrong way and apparently I was because I had the Sust too high. Thanks again.Yup, I ran 200mg sust along with 400mg tren e and it worked out great for me. Obviously everyone is different, so I’m not implying that everyone should do that, but seeing as to how Op has experience with tren, then I see no issues with that haha. Definitely loved that cycle and the sides were pretty tolerable considering how most people tend to react to tren.
I use Neutrogena Body Wash while on cycle and I find it gets rid of the backne and acne in other ... areas as well. Works great, all you need is loofah and just wash with it all over.Appreciate the help and the advice. I've done these two together this year and the last two years. I forget what I did the first year but last year I did 500/300 Sust/Tren E and got great results but I broke out with pimples on my chest and lower back so much that I never wanted to take my shirt off because I was embarrassed.
Wow, that's wild. I had a friend give me 10g of tren ace powder because he swore he would never use tren again because of all the horrible sides he got. I've never gotten around to using it, and I seem to have misplaced it...Things could go really bad if he pins, say 400-600mg of tren e and as the levels start to climb he starts to experience bad sides.
he would be stuck for at least a week.
I say better try ace so if stuff like crippling anxiety hits he has to endure only for a short time.
I had big time panic attack and crippling anxiety ssues with masteron and like an idiot thought it was gonna pass. Boy i was wrong.
A 200mg mast e injection would leave me screwed for at least 4 days, later in the week would i feel to start better.
I suppose with tren there is potential for a worse outcomr since it is a much harsher drug than masteron, so the bad sides would last longer.
Hahahahahah if you had only seen me while i was on that damn masteron. I was waking up at night drenched in sweat, literally flying out of my bed with heart racing 150 bpm and hyperventilating.
It is funny now in hindsight but it definitely wasnt pleasant at the time.
I'm not sure why you'd want to run less than 500mg of any kind of test a week. 500mg is the best in terms of gains and not too many estrogenic sides. Since Sustanon puts your blood levels all over the place, it makes it a weird compound to use. I only recommend starting a cycle with it, since it has some short acting test esters in it that can jump start a cycle. Other than that, it's really overrated. Read the profile I posted on Sustanon above and you'll understand why.Youve run tren E a couple of times right? Then yes, if youre wanting to push the envelope a bit more then Id be inclined to run the tren at 400mg and the sust at 250.
Theres no guarantee this will get you what you want, but I think its arguably the most effective approach generally speaking.
Have you already started though? Im not a fan of tweaking too much during a cycle, esp test.
Tren, and trestolone, are probably the 2 most potent (ie physique-changing) oil steronz available. They alone can provide all the gainz youd ever dream of for a cycle/blast. Running test above a cruise/TRT amount will tend to add little for gainz comparatively. If anything, the extra test will cause or exasperate sides.I use Neutrogena Body Wash while on cycle and I find it gets rid of the backne and acne in other ... areas as well. Works great, all you need is loofah and just wash with it all over.
Wow, that's wild. I had a friend give me 10g of tren ace powder because he swore he would never use tren again because of all the horrible sides he got. I've never gotten around to using it, and I seem to have misplaced it...
I'm not sure why you'd want to run less than 500mg of any kind of test a week. 500mg is the best in terms of gains and not too many estrogenic sides. Since Sustanon puts your blood levels all over the place, it makes it a weird compound to use. I only recommend starting a cycle with it, since it has some short acting test esters in it that can jump start a cycle. Other than that, it's really overrated. Read the profile I posted on Sustanon above and you'll understand why.
Is @Drock42 running trestolone? I've never run either of those, but I've used plenty of Sustanon in the past. Test is the ultimate anabolic and can be run alone just fine.Have you tried tren or trest? Youd understand exactly what Im alluding to here if you have.
The ultimate anabolic? Test is a pretty weak anabolic compared to a lot of others. A lot of people prefer to use small amounts of test during a cycle to maintain normal function while letting the better anabolic do the heavy lifting. Obviously it’s user dependent and everyone has their own preferenceIs @Drock42 running trestolone? I've never run either of those, but I've used plenty of Sustanon in the past. Test is the ultimate anabolic and can be run alone just fine.
Depends on what methodology you're going by to rate it. If you're looking at the "anabolic/androgenic" ratio stuff, that's pretty irrelevant to real world results. But, if you look're looking at from a standpoint of what works best for any situation, you can call testosterone as the granddaddy of everything else. All steroids are some sort of synthetic or natural derivative of testosterone. Old school bbers ran cycles of 1g of test, or 750mg, etc. alone and got great results.The ultimate anabolic? Test is a pretty weak anabolic compared to a lot of others. A lot of people prefer to use small amounts of test during a cycle to maintain normal function while letting the better anabolic do the heavy lifting. Obviously it’s user dependent and everyone has their own preference
I’m not talking about their ratings. I’m talking real world results mg for mg. Old school guys also ran 150mg a week of parabolan(tren hex) and grew like weeds. Not doing that on 150mg of test.Depends on what methodology you're going by to rate it. If you're looking at the "anabolic/androgenic" ratio stuff, that's pretty irrelevant to real world results. But, if you look're looking at from a standpoint of what works best for any situation, you can call testosterone as the granddaddy of everything else. All steroids are some sort of synthetic or natural derivative of testosterone. Old school bbers ran cycles of 1g of test, or 750mg, etc. alone and got great results.
Ofc not. But thats an apples to oranges comparison. You need a lot more test simply because it's weaker than other compounds.I’m not talking about their ratings. I’m talking real world results mg for mg. Old school guys also ran 150mg a week of parabolan(tren hex) and grew like weeds. Not doing that on 150mg of test.
Ok your first comment is exactly what I was saying. Test is weaker than almost every other compound. I wasn’t trying to change your mind on how to run your cycles.Ofc not. But thats an apples to oranges comparison. You need a lot more test simply because it's weaker than other compounds.
The first cycle I ran was 500mg/week Sustanon, 50mg/day Dianabol for the first 6 weeks, and EQ 400mg/week and I gained 30lbs in 12 weeks. I keep Nolva and finasteride on hand incase I started having sides. That's an old school tried and true cycle. There's so many complicated designer steroids and assorted compounds it's like a kid in a candy shop with what you can choose to run now. But there's no need to overthink things. I wouldn't run tren or masteron or anything like that, it's side effect profile is ridiculous regardless of it's potential to grow. You also need to consider that estrogen helps you grow through it's pathways of releasing GH and glucose enhancement. DHT based substances are also very hard on the hairline and prostate long term. A mild cycle will make you grow as well as any fad designer steroids, prohormones or exotic steroids that are out there.
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