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[ax1]

That's what I'm saying; they're already automating as fast as they possibly can and min wage has been stagnant in many areas for a good 30 years or more. Increasing the min wage wouldn't make them automate faster because they're already doing it as fast as they can.

Maybe if you stopped stealing minimum wage workers purchasing power via inflation from printing money out of thin air it wouldnt be so much of a problem.

 

[nostrum420]

In my 24 years of work experience, the best and highest paying jobs I ever had (besides my personal business) were 2 of them which each had no minimum wage and were paid via production only. Also, those 2 jobs actually had an ambitious workforce and were superiority far more productive than any other minimum job workplace I have worked.

Minimum wage jobs crush productivity and incentives to do better....well there is an personal incentive to pick up skills or go to school and do something better with yourself but people generally like to point the finger away from themselves.

You can do both, have minimum and then incentives above and beyond that which are based upon performance. I just don't see how you can refute the principle that if you're going to employ a human, you have to pay enough to keep that human alive as a bare minimum.

 

[nostrum420]

Maybe if you stopped stealing minimum wage workers purchasing power via inflation from printing money out of thin air it wouldnt be so much of a problem.

If employers increased wages commensurately with increases in productivity, inflation would be a non-issue.

 

[ax1]

You can do both, have minimum and then incentives above and beyond that which are based upon performance. I just don't see how you can refute the principle that if you're going to employ a human, you have to pay enough to keep that human alive as a bare minimum.

The problems here are the costs in society and their devaluation of money, everything is expensive and keeps increasing in price and the little guy can never keep up.

I know what its like to be broke and homeless, I also know what its like to work minimum wage jobs. The best cure is to just find something better and develop yourself through hard times. Nobody will ever save you, and if you think the government cares about people enough to fix these problems you will always find disappointment.

 

[nostrum420]

The problems here are the costs in society and their devaluation of money, everything is expensive and keeps increasing in price and the little guy can never keep up.

I know what its like to be broke and homeless, I also know what its like to work minimum wage jobs. The best cure is to just find something better and develop yourself through hard times. Nobody will ever save you, and if you think the government cares about people enough to fix these problems you will always find disappointment.

Yeah but if you don't try to get the Gov to do at least a little something sometimes, the aristocrats will ride rough shod over the working class way worse than they already are. See: the French Revolution.

 

[justhere4comm]

Hard work! No cheating.

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[ax1]

Yeah but if you don't try to get the Gov to do at least a little something sometimes, the aristocrats will ride rough shod over the working class way worse than they already are. See: the French Revolution.

Im trying to get them focusing more on protecting our liberties and freedoms and sit back only as a minimal regulatory role.

When aristrocrats ride rough shod over the working class we the people can fight that especially when you have a government "by" the people, not "for" the people. As it is now, its the government riding all the rough shodding work for the aristocrats (primarily those who also influence the magic money printing and scamming) who primarily own them and your not going to progress more by asking them to step further but rather peeling them back and getting the hell out of our lives.

 

[Admin]

What you need is more economic intercourse.



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[nostrum420]

Im trying to get them focusing more on protecting our liberties and freedoms and sit back only as a minimal regulatory role.

When aristrocrats ride rough shod over the working class we the people can fight that especially when you have a government "by" the people, not "for" the people. As it is now, its the government riding all the rough shodding work for the aristocrats (primarily those who also influence the magic money printing and scamming) who primarily own them and your not going to progress more by asking them to step further but rather peeling them back and getting the hell out of our lives.

I think a min wage qualifies as a minimal regulatory role.

 

[nostrum420]

What you need is more economic intercourse.



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[Admin]

When it comes to getting rid of Trump will Americans settle for any old Joe? Find out this November in the final season of America!

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[justhere4comm]

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How exciting.
Watch Texas Y’all.

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[ax1]

I think a min wage qualifies as a minimal regulatory role.

Fine you got it, it honestly is by far the least of our problems.

 

[ax1]

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[justhere4comm]

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Hey, many of the people who follow and adore him are just like he is. Dumb and racist.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

You can do both, have minimum and then incentives above and beyond that which are based upon performance. I just don't see how you can refute the principle that if you're going to employ a human, you have to pay enough to keep that human alive as a bare minimum.

I’ve heard various things about what the minimum wage should provide. You say “keep that human alive,” but elsewhere I’ve heard that it should be a “family sustaining wage.” Now, I’m not sure if that means that one person working full-time at minimum wage should be able to support themselves, their spouse, and at least one child, but that’s what it sounds like they’re saying, no? Or would it be that one full-time minimum wage job should support the worker and one child? I’ve heard it as a political talking point, but never actually explained in depth.

 

[nostrum420]

I’ve heard various things about what the minimum wage should provide. You say “keep that human alive,” but elsewhere I’ve heard that it should be a “family sustaining wage.” Now, I’m not sure if that means that one person working full-time at minimum wage should be able to support themselves, their spouse, and at least one child, but that’s what it sounds like they’re saying, no? Or would it be that one full-time minimum wage job should support the worker and one child? I’ve heard it as a political talking point, but never actually explained in depth.

I've never heard that phrase, tbh.

 

[ax1]

I’ve heard various things about what the minimum wage should provide. You say “keep that human alive,” but elsewhere I’ve heard that it should be a “family sustaining wage.” Now, I’m not sure if that means that one person working full-time at minimum wage should be able to support themselves, their spouse, and at least one child, but that’s what it sounds like they’re saying, no? Or would it be that one full-time minimum wage job should support the worker and one child? I’ve heard it as a political talking point, but never actually explained in depth.

Ive heard similar from various media and polititions, but not exactly that yet. I usually here "living wage." Its really a vague statement and can mean different things to different people. From some they come across a bit too ridiculous and from others "living" claims are very, very fair and understandable.

 

[nostrum420]

Ive heard similar from various media and polititions, but not exactly that yet. I usually here "living wage." Its really a vague statement and can mean different things to different people. From some they come across a bit too ridiculous and from others "living" claims are very, very fair and understandable.

Perhaps instead of a min wage, we institute fines and penalties for companies who have full time employees that are paid so little they have to draw on social safety net programs even though they're employed.

 

[ax1]

Perhaps instead of a min wage, we institute fines and penalties for companies who have full time employees that are paid so little they have to draw on social safety net programs even though they're employed.

Im a little different, I look at my experiences and wonder why everything is so expensive to begin with and work far deeper into the root causes of minimum wage not being a living wage.

This can be remedied by eliminating income taxes, or at least having a very low flat tax making the first portion of income lets say 20k tax exempt. Elimination most if not all Federal social programs, and deregulating the rigged medical system and going back to doctor-patient relationships including the business end of it.

Also, I always look to re-establishing a sound currency, auditing and abolishing the private Federal Reserve an replacing it with something better....(this isnt a shot at you from yesterday, its my common thinking for years)

If you want "big" government to help poor people, perhaps you can do things like make it a crime for low income people to buy cable television and maybe instituting fines and penalties to entertainment sect for allowing low income people to waste their money to begin with. Been there, done that, see it alot, lol

 

[nostrum420]

Im a little different, I look at my experiences and wonder why everything is so expensive to begin with and work far deeper into the root causes of minimum wage not being a living wage.

This can be remedied by eliminating income taxes, or at least having a very low flat tax making the first portion of income lets say 20k tax exempt. Elimination most if not all Federal social programs, and deregulating the rigged medical system and going back to doctor-patient relationships including the business end of it.

Also, I always look to re-establishing a sound currency, auditing and abolishing the private Federal Reserve an replacing it with something better....(this isnt a shot at you from yesterday, its my common thinking for years)

If you want "big" government to help poor people, perhaps you can do things like make it a crime for low income people to buy cable television and maybe instituting fines and penalties to entertainment sect for allowing low income people to waste their money to begin with. Been there, done that, see it alot, lol

Oh man... For "not a libertarian..." First off you talk about a flat tax and then immediately describe a progressive tax code by exempting the first 20K (we basically exempt the first 15K now btw) So, basically you're just talking about a tax cut for the rich and paying for that by gutting all social safety net programs. Mitch McConnell would get wood reading this.

Making a legal code that's even harsher toward the lower class than the current one is just plain draconian. I think some of the bad behavior you point to in individuals in the lower class is a result of depression and hopelessness. If you believe that nothing you do is ever really going to get you ahead then yeah, you're going to buy cable TV or alcohol, drugs, etc etc. I think you have to give people a better path out of poverty before you demonize them for not taking said path.

 

[ax1]

Oh man... For "not a libertarian..." First off you talk about a flat tax and then immediately describe a progressive tax code by exempting the first 20K (we basically exempt the first 15K now btw) So, basically you're just talking about a tax cut for the rich and paying for that by gutting all social safety net programs. Mitch McConnell would get wood reading this.

Mitch McConnell just needs to go to Gitmo and spend his remaining days dying in there, he is a big government mass murdering vampire.

Your getting too caught up in words here, flat, progressive, whatever. Why dont we just call it the "sortaflat" tax. If I had it my way there would be no income tax for anybody, success and productive behavior should not be penalized. Im just trying to come up with fair solutions.

Making a legal code that's even harsher toward the lower class than the current one is just plain draconian. I think some of the bad behavior you point to in individuals in the lower class is a result of depression and hopelessness. If you believe that nothing you do is ever really going to get you ahead then yeah, you're going to buy cable TV or alcohol, drugs, etc etc. I think you have to give people a better path out of poverty before you demonize them for not taking said path.

Ive seen it all, the greater majority of poor people I grew up around including my family waste cash like trash. Im not saying all but easily more than 60 percent. Its immoral to punish responsible people to cover those who partake in both irresponsible and destructive (poor people that buy ciggs, alcohol, drugs or waste it on cable tv or sporting events) behaviors. There are other things to help with that community, but stealing from one with a gun to pay for the other's is just plain wrong and criminal.

 

[ax1]

Not sure if you protein heads are following the possible food chain crisis, but this just came out and good for them!

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"All I know is, this is crazy to me, because I can't see all these people going back into work," said Donald, who works at Tyson's Waterloo, Iowa, facility. "I don't think people are going to go back in there."

Donald asked to be referred to by his first name only. He is currently recovering after testing positive for the virus.

"I'm still trying to figure out: What is he going to do, force them to stay open? Force people to go to work?" he asked.

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[muscleupcrohn]

I've never heard that phrase, tbh.

Really? Color me surprised. Warren and AOC have mentioned if multiple times.

“Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) said Thursday that minimum wage jobs in the U.S. today do not "permit a family to survive."

"Back in the 1960s, a minimum wage job would support a family of three," Warren said at a campaign event for Sen. Tammy Baldwin (D) in Wisconsin. "It would cover a mortgage, it would cover the utilities and it would still put food on the table."

"Why did a minimum wage job cover a family of three? Because Congress said a minimum wage should be a wage that a family can live on," Warren continued. "It should give them a chance to get in the middle class. That's government that works for the people."”

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[ax1]

Really? Color me surprised. Warren and AOC have mentioned if multiple times.

“Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) said Thursday that minimum wage jobs in the U.S. today do not "permit a family to survive."

"Back in the 1960s, a minimum wage job would support a family of three," Warren said at a campaign event for Sen. Tammy Baldwin (D) in Wisconsin. "It would cover a mortgage, it would cover the utilities and it would still put food on the table."

"Why did a minimum wage job cover a family of three? Because Congress said a minimum wage should be a wage that a family can live on," Warren continued. "It should give them a chance to get in the middle class. That's government that works for the people."”

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Thats another group that is stuck in an endless cycle trying to find a cure for a problem rather than a cure for the cause.

I just looked it up and minimum wage in 1968 for $1.60 which is worth $11.55 today. In 2018 it almost quadrupled to $7.25, worth of course just as much in 2018.
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And people pretend hyperinflation never happened, RRROOOFFFFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

 

[nostrum420]

Mitch McConnell just needs to go to Gitmo and spend his remaining days dying in there, he is a big government mass murdering vampire.

Your getting too caught up in words here, flat, progressive, whatever. Why dont we just call it the "sortaflat" tax. If I had it my way there would be no income tax for anybody, success and productive behavior should not be penalized. Im just trying to come up with fair solutions.



Ive seen it all, the greater majority of poor people I grew up around including my family waste cash like trash. Im not saying all but easily more than 60 percent. Its immoral to punish responsible people to cover those who partake in both irresponsible and destructive (poor people that buy ciggs, alcohol, drugs or waste it on cable tv or sporting events) behaviors. There are other things to help with that community, but stealing from one with a gun to pay for the other's is just plain wrong and criminal.

Wealth is not always an indication of success and productive behavior. See: Donald Trump.

While over-adherence to a dogma based on a label is a bad thing and I think that's the root of why you're rejecting labels but it is important to recognize what school of thought different policies come from because it allows us to see where that policy thinking has lead to in the past in terms of a coherent ideology.

I think you also need to explore the broader question of how a state enforces any policy without the threat of state violence. Everything law is "enforced at gun-point" not just income taxes. Is this an argument for no laws? Or are you just mad about income taxes because you want your money but also want all the benefits of living in a civil society? I would posit that if you want the benefits of living in a civil society, you have to finance those benefits and if you want those benefits financed, you have to give the financier the authority to collect payment and if you want people to pay up, you have to enforce some consequence for not paying into the kitty.

I just don't think the majority of that 60% that does waste money, does it because they're lazy or bad. You're talking about punishing them to change their behavior but it's been repeatedly shown that reward works better than punishment as a motivator (or de-motivator) So, if you offer some reward for the poor to do the right things to get themselves out of poverty that will work waaaay better than coming up with ways to punish them. At the same time a small "punishment" for success of being in a higher tax bracket are vastly outweighed by all the rewards of making enough to be in that tax bracket in the first place so this concern with "punishing success" is vastly over-stated.

 

[nostrum420]

Really? Color me surprised. Warren and AOC have mentioned if multiple times.

“Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) said Thursday that minimum wage jobs in the U.S. today do not "permit a family to survive."

"Back in the 1960s, a minimum wage job would support a family of three," Warren said at a campaign event for Sen. Tammy Baldwin (D) in Wisconsin. "It would cover a mortgage, it would cover the utilities and it would still put food on the table."

"Why did a minimum wage job cover a family of three? Because Congress said a minimum wage should be a wage that a family can live on," Warren continued. "It should give them a chance to get in the middle class. That's government that works for the people."”

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Oh... Elizabeth Warren is a snake, I've stopped paying attention to her. Did she also say that not increasing the min wage was sexist?

 

[nostrum420]

Thats another group that is stuck in an endless cycle trying to find a cure for a problem rather than a cure for the cause.

I just looked it up and minimum wage in 1968 for $1.60 which is worth $11.55 today. In 2018 it almost quadrupled to $7.25, worth of course just as much in 2018.
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And people pretend hyperinflation never happened, RRROOOFFFFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

This is not hyperinflation, it's just inflation, possibly a slightly higher than ideal rate of inflation (inb4 exaggerated laughter) but we don't have a wheelbarrow currency situtation. The graph also succinctly shows that min wage increases haven't been enough to keep up with inflation. I would say that this is evidence of a need to increase the min wage, not do away with it.

 

[nostrum420]

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But the poor are just lazy amiright?

 

[ax1]

I think you also need to explore the broader question of how a state enforces any policy without the threat of state violence. Everything law is "enforced at gun-point" not just income taxes. Is this an argument for no laws? Or are you just mad about income taxes because you want your money but also want all the benefits of living in a civil society? I would posit that if you want the benefits of living in a civil society, you have to finance those benefits and if you want those benefits financed, you have to give the financier the authority to collect payment and if you want people to pay up, you have to enforce some consequence for not paying into the kitty.

My answer is simple, honoring the oath of office and protecting the Constitution of the US is a very fair compromise and this country would be far better off if we restored back to that.

Income taxes are the most demeaning of all the taxes, productive behavior should not be penalized....period.

I dont want the benefits of a "civil" society, but a free society. I am free to make my own and help myself by keeping the fruits of my labor and helping those in need at my choosing and when I want.

I just don't think the majority of that 60% that does waste money, does it because they're lazy or bad. You're talking about punishing them to change their behavior but it's been repeatedly shown that reward works better than punishment as a motivator (or de-motivator) So, if you offer some reward for the poor to do the right things to get themselves out of poverty that will work waaaay better than coming up with ways to punish them. At the same time a small "punishment" for success of being in a higher tax bracket are vastly outweighed by all the rewards of making enough to be in that tax bracket in the first place so this concern with "punishing success" is vastly over-stated.

Im only talking from my own personal experience and surroundings, its probably much more than 60%.

Im not talking about punishing anyone, if people want to go out smoke and drink, buy cable go get a job and pay for it. Dont do it at the expense of responsible people.

If you want a reward, go to school, learn new skills, go to the library, grow yourself and work hard always looking for the next thing, the rewards will come. Vote small government to eliminate obstacles to your success and punishment for it.

 

[ax1]

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But the poor are just lazy amiright?

Alot, many are....thats the fact. Others make irresponsible fiscal choices constantly in their lifetime. Not all, certainly a bunch are hard working people who spend their money right and are stuck but need direction and leadership.

 

[nostrum420]

My answer is simple, honoring the oath of office and protecting the Constitution of the US is a very fair compromise and this country would be far better off if we restored back to that.

Income taxes are the most demeaning of all the taxes, productive behavior should not be penalized....period.

I dont want the benefits of a "civil" society, but a free society. I am free to make my own and help myself by keeping the fruits of my labor and helping those in need at my choosing and when I want.



Im only talking from my own personal experience and surroundings, its probably much more than 60%.

Im not talking about punishing anyone, if people want to go out smoke and drink, buy cable go get a job and pay for it. Dont do it at the expense of responsible people.

If you want a reward, go to school, learn new skills, go to the library, grow yourself and work hard always looking for the next thing, the rewards will come. Vote small government to eliminate obstacles to your success and punishment for it.

You know how those public libraries are financed, right?

Most of this is just neo-conservative quasi-libertarian cheerleading and doesn't address what I was talking about.

 

[ax1]

This is not hyperinflation, it's just inflation, possibly a slightly higher than ideal rate of inflation (inb4 exaggerated laughter) but we don't have a wheelbarrow currency situtation. The graph also succinctly shows that min wage increases haven't been enough to keep up with inflation. I would say that this is evidence of a need to increase the min wage, not do away with it.

Call your ideals what you want to your own standards, I call it hyperinflation. Its ridiculous.

 

[nostrum420]

My answer is simple, honoring the oath of office and protecting the Constitution of the US is a very fair compromise and this country would be far better off if we restored back to that.

Income taxes are the most demeaning of all the taxes, productive behavior should not be penalized....period.

I dont want the benefits of a "civil" society, but a free society. I am free to make my own and help myself by keeping the fruits of my labor and helping those in need at my choosing and when I want.



Im only talking from my own personal experience and surroundings, its probably much more than 60%.

Im not talking about punishing anyone, if people want to go out smoke and drink, buy cable go get a job and pay for it. Dont do it at the expense of responsible people.

If you want a reward, go to school, learn new skills, go to the library, grow yourself and work hard always looking for the next thing, the rewards will come. Vote small government to eliminate obstacles to your success and punishment for it.

You know how those public libraries are financed, right?

Most of this is just neo-conservative quasi-libertarian cheerleading and doesn't address what I was talking about.

Alot, many are....thats the fact. Others make irresponsible fiscal choices constantly in their lifetime. Not all, certainly a bunch are hard working people who spend their money right and are stuck but need direction and leadership.

You have some evidence to support this assertion? Because the graph shows the working class becoming more and more productive for almost a century now...

 

[ax1]

You know how those public libraries are financed, right?

Most of this is just neo-conservative quasi-libertarian cheerleading and doesn't address what I was talking about.

Public libraries existed prior to income tax laws.....and Im talking from the point of view of the realities of today that these services are there so just go and use it instead of playing Call of Duty online all day and drinking and smoking pot (if thats holding you back of course.)

 

[nostrum420]

Public libraries existed prior to income tax laws.....and Im talking from the point of view of the realities of today that these services are there so just go and use it instead of playing Call of Duty online all day and drinking and smoking pot (if thats holding you back of course.)

Again, the graph proves that the working class isn't just doing those things. They're working longer hours for less pay and learning more and more skills that make their labor more and more valuable and they're having more and more of that value extracted by the people whose taxes you're looking to cut. How is that a free society? Free to be fucked by the rich?

 

[ax1]

You have some evidence to support this assertion? Because the graph shows the working class becoming more and more productive for almost a century now...

From my own life experience, surroundings and work portfolio.

Workers arent getting less pay, their money is just constantly hyper-inflated. Purchasing power and life savings decrease by the year and life costs way to much because of massive government programs that pretend everything is free.

Then top it off people are punished for making it in the first place.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Oh... Elizabeth Warren is a snake, I've stopped paying attention to her. Did she also say that not increasing the min wage was sexist?

Haha. Yeah, Warren isn’t exactly the epitome of sensible and logical economic policy. Neither is AOC, so I guess we can leave out their extreme views from a more reasonable discussion.

 

[nostrum420]

Haha. Yeah, Warren isn’t exactly the epitome of sensible and logical economic policy. Neither is AOC, so I guess we can leave out their extreme views from a more reasonable discussion.

The idea that a decent job should support a family is hardly extreme. I could even argue that that notion is a conservative one, but I digress. I just don't agree that that should be the floor. Not paying a living wage (one that meets an individuals basic survival needs) is actually inhumane and we have higher standards for livestock as it's illegal not to give them veterinary care...

 

[ax1]

You have some evidence to support this assertion? Because the graph shows the working class becoming more and more productive for almost a century now...

I dont only measure laziness by productivity at the job, that counts but what you do when you come back home also really matters, and I probably am putting more weight on that as thats what got me on my feet...not just exclusively working hard at work.

 

[nostrum420]

I dont only measure laziness by productivity at the job, that counts but what you do when you come back home also really matters.

The reason for a lot of that increase in productivity is due to increased job skills training which happens off the clock. For instance the modern worker often knows how to use a computer which vastly increases their productivity and they learned that skill on their own time.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

The idea that a decent job should support a family is hardly extreme. I could even argue that that notion is a conservative one, but I digress. I just don't agree that that should be the floor. Not paying a living wage (one that meets an individuals basic survival needs) is actually inhumane and we have higher standards for livestock as it's illegal not to give them veterinary care...

The idea that one full-time minimum wage job should support two grown adults and a child is “conservative?” So a new, entry level McDonalds worker should be able to support themselves, their spouse, and their child, while the spouse doesn’t work at all, ever, for the 18 years they raise their child?

You talk about meeting an INDIVIDUAL’s basic survival needs, that is VERY reasonable. But Warren’s statement means meeting the needs of not one, but THREE individuals’ needs.

 

[nostrum420]

I dont only measure laziness by productivity at the job, that counts but what you do when you come back home also really matters, and I probably am putting more weight on that as thats what got me on my feet...not just exclusively working hard at work.

Is your supposition then that people suddenly started spending their free time poorly sometime in the 70's or could it be that these "productive" rich people bought the Gov at about that time?

 

[nostrum420]

The idea that one full-time minimum wage job should support two grown adults and a child is “conservative?” So a new, entry level McDonalds worker should be able to support themselves, their spouse, and their child, while the spouse doesn’t work at all, ever, for the 18 years they raise their child?

You talk about meeting an INDIVIDUAL’s basic survival needs, that is VERY reasonable. But Warren’s statement means meeting the needs of not one, but THREE individuals’ needs.

Yes, Republicans of my Father's era argued that one job should be able to support at least those 3 people and be able to take the family on vacation once a year.

 

[ax1]

Is your supposition then that people suddenly started spending their free time poorly sometime in the 70's or could it be that these "productive" rich people bought the Gov at about that time?

Im not sre understanding the way you phrased that correctly, the Gov? You mean rich people bought the "Government?" Well, I think you should know where I stand on that and why I support small government so much.

This day an age is probably the most incredible time in history to access material on self development and learn new skills.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

According to MIT’s living wage calculator, a family of 3 (two adults and one child, with one working parent), a living wage would be $24.16/hour in Florida, and a poverty wage would be $10.25, while the current minimum wage is $8.46.

That $24.16/hour is over $50k/year working 40 hours a week. Surely you don’t think Florida’s minim wage should be $50k/year, right?

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Now, if it’s one parent and one child, then the living wage becomes an even higher $25.47/hour. And two patents (both working) and two children comes to $16.14/hour, which isn’t nearly as crazy as $25.

 

[nostrum420]

Yes, Republicans of my Father's era argued that one job should be able to support at least those 3 people and be able to take the family on vacation once a year.

Bear in mind, at that time the typical entry level job wasn't in fast food, retail or warehouse order fulfillment.

 

[ax1]

Yes, Republicans of my Father's era argued that one job should be able to support at least those 3 people and be able to take the family on vacation once a year.

Well that didnt work out to well did it this day of age, lol

But I know what your talking about in regards to traditional families and giving kids around the clock attention.

 

[nostrum420]

Im not sre understanding the way you phrased that correctly, the Gov? You mean rich people bought the "Government?" Well, I think you should know where I stand on that and why I support small government so much.

This day an age is probably the most incredible time in history to access material on self development and learn new skills.

You just want the rich to have less Gov available to buy?

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[nostrum420]

According to MIT’s living wage calculator, a family of 3 (two adults and one child, with one working parent), a living wage would be $24.16/hour in Florida, and a poverty wage would be $10.25, while the current minimum wage is $8.46.

That $24.16/hour is over $50k/year working 40 hours a week. Surely you don’t think Florida’s minim wage should be $50k/year, right?

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Now, if it’s one parent and one child, then the living wage becomes an even higher $25.47/hour. And two patents (both working) and two children comes to $16.14/hour, which isn’t nearly as crazy as $25.

I don't think that should be the minimum, but I do think it should be the goal for the mean, median and mode ie, most people should be able to get a job that pays around that amount.

If the wages had kept up with productivity the average working class individual would be making around $24/hour.