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Anyone worried if Corona virus keeps spreading the gyms will shut down?

As if one pandemic wasn’t enough for front line workers to face, now we are being offered 1 free meal (snack) per day at McDonalds through May 5.

Seriously though, it is a nice gesture. On most days, local chain restaurants have been delivering food to the COVID break room, and sometimes the RT workroom/office as well. Meanwhile, the hospital itself has offered us nothing. 🤔
 
As if one pandemic wasn’t enough for front line workers to face, now we are being offered 1 free meal (snack) per day at McDonalds through May 5.

Seriously though, it is a nice gesture. On most days, local chain restaurants have been delivering food to the COVID break room, and sometimes the RT workroom/office as well. Meanwhile, the hospital itself has offered us nothing. 🤔

So odd you would say this. My wife tried to go to Panera / Starbucks to get something half way healthy and she was treated with disrespect by those in line (drive thru) by non-essential people. She went to Chick-fil-eh and even there it was impossible... so she went to McDonald's. She hates McVomits, but she was hungry and forgot the lunch I made for her.

Why are people out in droves driving around? Go the F home.
And, the Hospital has offered her nothing as well.

I'm going to answer my own dilemma, the Starbucks is offering free coffee to healthcare workers. So, how do they check? I have no idea but I think freeloaders are clogging things up.
 
Comment on the antibody tests......the UK brought 17.5 million of them (was the Gov plan to get out of lockdown by allowing the public to prove they were immune).

hasn’t been rolled out as the testing on the tests showed they weren’t reliable - false positives and negatives all over the place......

so unless the US has an antibody test the rest of the world doesn’t know about id suggest that any suggestion the test proved 80% more people were infected than previously thought is flawed
 
Comment on the antibody tests......the UK brought 17.5 million of them (was the Gov plan to get out of lockdown by allowing the public to prove they were immune).

hasn’t been rolled out as the testing on the tests showed they weren’t reliable - false positives and negatives all over the place......

so unless the US has an antibody test the rest of the world doesn’t know about id suggest that any suggestion the test proved 80% more people were infected than previously thought is flawed
there have now been two randomized studies performed in CA using the new test. and yes there is a viable test. but before you jump the gun, just know that in our country, the boss (trump) has enlisted the private sector to help make test kits of all kinds. we even have one now you can take at home as well as one that is complete in 10 mins. also there is no more need for the brain swabs to identify it. I get why you would be skeptical too after what happened to your country. Frankly I dont think anyone was ready for all the BS that came with this.
 
Squabbling about whether we’ve all been infected already is disrespectful to the people who are facing this thing literally face to face. It’s really disappointing.
1. I have never made light of anyone loosing family members and loved ones.
2. I have not squabbled about ****. I state my point of view and stand by it. if u don't like my pov fuk off. I don't care what u think of me or my pov.
how in the fuk is that disrespectful? I mean seriously ty for your service, but Im not about to throw away my 1st amendment rights you fought for me to keep because of a hoax. TBH I hope im wrong about all of this, because the actions taken by my government and others around the world have shaken my faith in humanity doing the right thing.
when they destroy the US there is no were else to go until they open Mars.
 
1. I have never made light of anyone loosing family members and loved ones.
2. I have not squabbled about ****. I state my point of view and stand by it. if u don't like my pov fuk off. I don't care what u think of me or my pov.
how in the fuk is that disrespectful? I mean seriously ty for your service, but Im not about to throw away my 1st amendment rights you fought for me to keep because of a hoax. TBH I hope im wrong about all of this, because the actions taken by my government and others around the world have shaken my faith in humanity doing the right thing.
when they destroy the US there is no were else to go until they open Mars.
So, when you say it’s a hoax, what are you referring to? It’s hard to see how that’s not making light of what’s going on in NYC.
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1. I have never made light of anyone loosing family members and loved ones.
2. I have not squabbled about ****. I state my point of view and stand by it. if u don't like my pov fuk off. I don't care what u think of me or my pov.
how in the fuk is that disrespectful? I mean seriously ty for your service, but Im not about to throw away my 1st amendment rights you fought for me to keep because of a hoax. TBH I hope im wrong about all of this, because the actions taken by my government and others around the world have shaken my faith in humanity doing the right thing.
when they destroy the US there is no were else to go until they open Mars.
You post asinine drivel and don’t bother to fact check any of it. No reported deaths from pneumonia is irrefutably incorrect, and easily disproven, yet you claimed it. And saying this is no bigger threat deal than the flu is also incredibly stupid, even if the death rate is similar to the flu, there being no natural immunity makes it a much bigger threat. It’s not a “hoax.” The only “hoax” is the BS you post...
 
Mayor of Atlanta is in disagreement with the governor as are others. We will see what goes on there.
 
The GOP governors running to open their states are going to face fierce opposition from. Voters. That would rather stay alive. Can’t vote if you’re dead.
 
So, when you say it’s a hoax, what are you referring to? It’s hard to see how that’s not making light of what’s going on in NYC.
I am reffering to the removal of my freedoms over a virus that seems to attack the immune system. I believe its real but i dont believe the response it valid. I dont think i need to write a book for you to see my stance.
 
I am reffering to the removal of my freedoms over a virus that seems to attack the immune system. I believe its real but i dont believe the response it valid. I dont think i need to write a book for you to see my stance.
“A virus that seems to attack the immune system?” What does that even mean? Any virus and an immune system will “fight.” That’s the nature of what an immune system is...
 
I’m interested to see just because places can open how they’ll open and the precautions they set.

It’s tough times and I don’t pretend to know the right way to go about it, but I just hope places don’t just open back up and go right back to how things were prior. Again not sure what methods should be added (glad I don’t have a business and have to decide), but you bet I’ll be keeping an eye on how some go about it.
I’m very curious to see if the cases spike in the places that had large protests recently.
 
I’m interested to see just because places can open how they’ll open and the precautions they set.

It’s tough times and I don’t pretend to know the right way to go about it, but I just hope places don’t just open back up and go right back to how things were prior. Again not sure what methods should be added (glad I don’t have a business and have to decide), but you bet I’ll be keeping an eye on how some go about it.
My gym is talking about opening when there’s been a downward trend in cases for 14 days. During phase 1 of opening, the hours will look very different (opening later, closed mid-day for cleaning, closing a little earlier), only a few gyms in the association will be opening at a time, and minimal programming like group ex classes and childcare. Not all of this is completely figured out but those are the topics of discussion right now. Hopefully other gyms have plans similar.
 
My gym is talking about opening when there’s been a downward trend in cases for 14 days. During phase 1 of opening, the hours will look very different (opening later, closed mid-day for cleaning, closing a little earlier), only a few gyms in the association will be opening at a time, and minimal programming like group ex classes and childcare. Not all of this is completely figured out but those are the topics of discussion right now. Hopefully other gyms have plans similar.
now this imo is a valid response.
 
I’m interested to see just because places can open how they’ll open and the precautions they set.

It’s tough times and I don’t pretend to know the right way to go about it, but I just hope places don’t just open back up and go right back to how things were prior. Again not sure what methods should be added (glad I don’t have a business and have to decide), but you bet I’ll be keeping an eye on how some go about it.

I haven’t read the actual restrictions but I know there are limits on capacities and such. I got an email from LA fitness this morning. They’re gonna limit it to 1 person per 200 sq ft. Not sure exactly how they’re gonna do that. I imagine a lot of equipment will be covered, so there may only be 1 of each machine, stuff like that. Restaurants will have to do similar things.
 
They’re gonna limit it to 1 person per 200 sq ft. Not sure exactly how they’re gonna do that.
i'm pretty sure its not that they will quarantine you to 200 sf... its just a division of space to calculate the numbers allowed in per the amount of SF. i.e. if there is 2000 sf at your gym they can have 10 people in the facility at once.
 
There will be a viral surge (infected and deaths) in locations that open early;
and there's a minority contingent that's ok with that.
Disgusting and disturbing.
 
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Here’s a pretty good article that includes a lot of scientific info. Since I know people wont click and read the whole thing, I included some excerpts here. I was going to bold parts that I thought were especially important but dont want people just skimming bold sections, so I didnt.

“As a country, we’re unprepared not just logistically but mentally for this next phase,” said Michael T. Osterholm, a University of Minnesota infectious-disease expert. He worries most Americans do not grasp the long, hard months facing them and the likelihood of repeated surges of the virus.”

“For a while, people were told all we need is to get past the peak. Then, they started hearing all we need is testing. Meanwhile, the president keeps telling everyone that things are going to reopen in a matter of weeks,” Osterholm said. “The way you prepare people for a sprint and marathon are very different. As a country, we are utterly unprepared for the marathon ahead.”
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I suggest reading the part headed “Rebounds Inevitable” on your own even if you dont read the whole article.
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From “The Fraught Science of Reopening”

“A recent case study — published by the CDC — examined how a single patron infected nine others at an air-conditioned restaurant in China. The infected person, a 63-year-old retired woman, did not begin running a fever and coughing until after her lunch Jan. 24 at the Guangzhou restaurant. But over the next two weeks, it became apparent the virus had spread to four diners at her table and to five people sitting at adjacent tables roughly three feet away.

Researchers studying the seating arrangements believe an air-conditioning unit propelled tiny viral droplets over distances that are normally safe between the tables.”

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Under the same heading:

“Studies emerging in the past week are also changing scientists’ understanding of how the virus spreads, which will make efforts to reopen society even harder.

A growing body of evidence suggests the virus is most contagious in people before they develop a fever or even feel a tickle in their throat. That suggests silent spreaders are seeding new cases.

When severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) — the cousin to this new coronavirus — emerged in 2002, Asian countries were able to stop it because people became physically ill roughly at the same time they became contagious. That made it far easier to isolate and prevent the spread of disease.

A study published in the journal Nature Medicine last week estimated that people infected with the novel coronavirus are contagious almost two and a half days before symptoms appear — and that peak contagiousness occurs about 17 hours before people start feeling sick. In a sample of patients from China, the study estimated 44 percent of cases spread from person to person before symptoms appeared.”
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This is me talking now:

We know it takes 3-14 days for symptoms to appear after exposure and therefore, based on the above, can be contagious 12 hours to 11.5 days after exposure. This is why it is literally impossible to stop this thing from spreading without these isolation orders in place. I get the economy needs to open back up at some point, but as this article points out - we need to get the case # as LOW as possible prior to doing that. A lot of the places that are reopening (Georgia, Ohio, TN for example) are still seeing their cases increase day after day.

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From “Warnings from Abroad”

“For months, Singapore has served as an exemplar, with its pandemic response praised and emulated around the world. Despite its proximity to China and early cases, Singapore used massive testing and contact tracing to keep its disease curve flat. It even deployed police to trace people’s movement with security camera footage and credit card records.”

HA, you want to talk about having freedoms limited? My god. Fuk that. Oh, and they had 200 cases last month and now have over 1.5k and climbing. This virus needs to find one little pocket and then cases start tripling every week. Fun times.
 
I’m not sure where I posted this. It was in regard to the antibody test for Covid 19.

I got it wrong.
My wife as a healthcare worker got the test for antibodies and said it is 100% accurate. It’s the Covid 19 test that is 50%. Ugh.
 
So odd you would say this. My wife tried to go to Panera / Starbucks to get something half way healthy and she was treated with disrespect by those in line (drive thru) by non-essential people. She went to Chick-fil-eh and even there it was impossible... so she went to McDonald's. She hates McVomits, but she was hungry and forgot the lunch I made for her.

Why are people out in droves driving around? Go the F home.
And, the Hospital has offered her nothing as well.

I'm going to answer my own dilemma, the Starbucks is offering free coffee to healthcare workers. So, how do they check? I have no idea but I think freeloaders are clogging things up.
From what I have heard so far, you just have to show your employer ID:

I have yet to take advantage of any retail or chain fast food type first line worker perks. My days are so long, that I just need to go home after my shifts, and I certainly don’t have any time to make stops in the morning. I also can’t go anywhere for lunch. It’s definitely more convenient for EMS and policemen etc.

We got an email from MaineHealth (largest medical entity in Maine- who controls all the major hospitals) today stating that we will not be getting hazard pay, and even warned us (RNs and allied health employees) that we are unlikely to even get a yearly raise in this coming year, or even the next.

Despite government relief they have/will receive, they claim the system is at an extreme loss from all of this- particularly due to the cancellation of nonessential surgeries. Personally, I don’t give a **** and that’s not my problem. To not give extra compensation for our efforts that effect our lives on many levels is one thing, but to turn around and take things away from us is criminal. I will be responding to their email as soon as I have the time at work, and I will have to practice restraint in not stepping over the line in what and how I address what I want to say.

Wait and find out.
I think everyone has been lulled into a false sense of security. Particularly in non-hotspot areas and people that have not dealt with it face to face with a sick family member or close acquaintance. It’s not going to be real for some people until it becomes real. The fear factor has definitely decreased due to the overall success of the stay at home orders, and the fact that people are becoming more used to the new normal- even though many are getting fed up with it.
 
I think everyone has been lulled into a false sense of security. Particularly in non-hotspot areas and people that have not dealt with it face to face with a sick family member or close acquaintance. It’s not going to be real for some people until it becomes real. The fear factor has definitely decreased due to the overall success of the stay at home orders, and the fact that people are becoming more used to the new normal- even though many are getting fed up with it.
100% agree here.
 
On another note, I extubated our last vent of the 6 in the COVID unit today. We have a 100% survival rate for vented patients!

Surely, there will be more to come...
 
I am reffering to the removal of my freedoms over a virus that seems to attack the immune system. I believe its real but i dont believe the response it valid. I dont think i need to write a book for you to see my stance.

I agree .
I am reffering to the removal of my freedoms over a virus that seems to attack the immune system. I believe its real but i dont believe the response it valid. I dont think i need to write a book for you to see my stance.

Governor of Michigan banned the purchase of American flags apparently .... :rolleyes:

"oh no , bro. No agenda at all. Insert condescending response":rolleyes:

Non essential , but I can use a small American flag as a mask

The virus exists but some of the stats are really not making sense and to what degree are politicians using this virus to push another agenda?
 
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I agree .


Governor of Michigan banned the purchase of American flags apparently .... :rolleyes:

"oh no , bro. No agenda at all. Insert condescending response":rolleyes:

Non essential , but I can use a small American flag as a mask

The virus exists but some of the stats are really not making sense and to what degree are politicians using this virus to push another agenda?

Source of your 'information'? Because see**
Agenda: Keeping people alive. <---------- Probably this.


**Stop spreading misinformation.
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The virus exists but some of the stats are really not making sense and to what degree are politicians using this virus to push another agenda?

There is no scientific evidence that places that quarantined and went on lock down had less of a death ratio than those that didn’t. This is proven by looking at death rates compared to total population for states that didn’t go on lockdown verse states that did. Also, Sweden didn’t go on lockdown and there death rate is better than many European counties that did. This lockdown has all been an experiment based on assumptions not scientific studies at the cost of the economy.
 
I agree .


Governor of Michigan banned the purchase of American flags apparently .... :rolleyes:

"oh no , bro. No agenda at all. Insert condescending response":rolleyes:

Non essential , but I can use a small American flag as a mask

The virus exists but some of the stats are really not making sense and to what degree are politicians using this virus to push another agenda?

tbh I’d get all this ‘it’s not as bad as the politicians are making out and it’s being used to do something else’ rhetoric if we were talking much less drastic action and only one country doing it.

come on fellas, literally nearly all major countries have locked down and tanked their economies over this.......your saying that almost every world leader/government has a shared agenda? That the USA and China both have the same agenda? (They both locked down)

everyone keeps saying Sweden haven’t though.....not they haven’t but in a mostly rural country of 10M they’ve already had 2,000 deaths plus they have introduced some restrictions (and their citizens are potentially more compliant, they have less minority groups who it now seems have a higher fatality rate and less obesity/general health problems) - their elderly are getting fucked though (even their health minister admits its ‘worrying’ so I don’t really believe the Sweden example can be used to say the uk or usa over reacted.

everyone is of course entitled to their own opinion but whatever your political persuasions or personal beliefs sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade........which in this case is simply that a virus has appeared (accidentally Or otherwise) which we have no immunity to, which transmits easily amongst humans, which can cause fatality in anyone but more so in those with anyone one of a range of health conditions and which has An unknown fatality rate at the best on par with normal flu and at worst around 4%.

slice it and dice it however you like, crazy situations like that call for crazy measures in my book.
 
There is no scientific evidence that places that quarantined and went on lock down had less of a death ratio than those that didn’t. This is proven by looking at death rates compared to total population for states that didn’t go on lockdown verse states that did. Also, Sweden didn’t go on lockdown and there death rate is better than many European counties that did. This lockdown has all been an experiment based on assumptions not scientific studies at the cost of the economy.

Just fcuking wrong.
 
South Korea. Same day as the USA. They quarantined. Look at their death count and ours.

Facts are hard.
 
Tell you what. Go out and protest. Don’t wear a mask because hoax. When you get sick don’t go to the hospital.

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We are ranked 35.
Look where Sweden is.

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Tell you what. Go out and protest. Don’t wear a mask because hoax. When you get sick don’t go to the hospital.

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We are ranked 35.
Look where Sweden is.

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lol...free healthcare for illegals but you don't want citizens to go and seek healthcare?

people smoke and get healthcare, people drink and drive and cause bad accidents and get healthcare...people get in shoot outs with cops even killing a cop and get healthcare….
i've never heard it said that engaging in bad behavior disqualifies for healthcare.


people do a lot of dumb stuff endangering others and still get healthcare.
 
A viral contagion is different. If this isn’t something you cannot comprehend. That is on you.
No agenda with any of my statements.
 
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A viral contagion is different. If this isn’t something you cannot comprehend. That is on you.

No agenda with any of my statements.
lol...your anti-trump agenda rules your life---fess up, time to be honest here.
 
Whenever you are confronted that you are in fact wrong. You side step the argument and make it personal or something unrelated.

Explain what a viral contagion is.
How you think it is the same as what you stated.

Give me examples.
How that can equate to killing 45,000 Americans in two months with an exponential increase per exposure.
 
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