It's not there as a carrier?SNS , or SNS reps, I just have one question...
Why soybean oil as a carrier ? Would MCT not be a better choice ? Or
It's not there as a carrier?SNS , or SNS reps, I just have one question...
Why soybean oil as a carrier ? Would MCT not be a better choice ? Or
Doing this now, on day 2.This is what I was doing. 2g workout days.
Is this significantly better than 1.5g? What’s the rationale for 2g? Studies indicate 1.5g, so genuinely curious where this figure has came fromThis is what I was doing. 2g workout days.
In my experience take more gain more.Is this significantly better than 1.5g? What’s the rationale for 2g? Studies indicate 1.5g, so genuinely curious where this figure has came from
Read the ingredients, fellaIt's not there as a carrier?
Agreed here. Although I typically start with 4 caps for 2 weeks then bump up to 6.only necessary to dose on workout days... on off days it actually is mostly wasted as it just doesn't go to the muscle like it will during a workout.
I personally do 6 but many people are just fine at 4. I just like the extra pumps ha
Ok, that makes sense. So maybe a better question, is there a dose where you feel there is diminishing returns?In my experience take more gain more.
The study dose wasn't even selected as a max effective dose. It's not like creatine where there's 5000 studies at every imaginable dose.
People should keep that in mind for a lot of ingredients that have relatively shallow research pools.
But, take 1.5 if you want *shrug*
So, it's tricky, and sample of 1 is confounding, and you'll never get robust study with the kind of numbers I'd like to see because nobody is sitting around with a few million dollars to burn studying ARA.Ok, that makes sense. So maybe a better question, is there a dose where you feel there is diminishing returns?
What the Max you have ran and what’s you’re sweet spot in your experience?
Great response! Thank you. Yes was just trying to find the optimal dose as starting in a few weeks and have ran 1g and 1.5g, but think I will try 2g Pre. I take from what your saying, cost to affect ratio; 2g seems to be optimal?So, it's tricky, and sample of 1 is confounding, and you'll never get robust study with the kind of numbers I'd like to see because nobody is sitting around with a few million dollars to burn studying ARA.
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I've taken 5g/workout for the peak overload 3rd month portion of a 4 month NLP program I was running.
And the followup strength gains I experienced in the final 4 weeks of lower volume training were out of this world.
It is in this context that I think ARA is at its most useful, but who knows how much I overshot the actual optimal dose?
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I've also run 3g/workout for extended periods during less aggressive training regimens and not noticed significantly more than at 2g.
Yeah, from my own personal anecdotes, that is probably optimal.Great response! Thank you. Yes was just trying to find the optimal dose as starting in a few weeks and have ran 1g and 1.5g, but think I will try 2g Pre. I take from what your saying, cost to affect ratio; 2g seems to be optimal?
Kind regards
1.5-2g is, IMO, the best from a cost:benefit perspective. Especially if dosed pre-workout only. 1g is still effective, but I've found even 500mg more to be noticeable. 2g was a bit more costly, but even at that level I noticed more than 1.5g.Great response! Thank you. Yes was just trying to find the optimal dose as starting in a few weeks and have ran 1g and 1.5g, but think I will try 2g Pre. I take from what your saying, cost to affect ratio; 2g seems to be optimal?
Kind regards
Yeah, from my own personal anecdotes, that is probably optimal.
The other higher dosed situation is more of a perfect and very expensive storm.
I certainly wouldn't advise people to spend $160/month on one supplement just 'cause.
Thanks for the input and elaboration. That’s makes sense and if cost is factored in, then 2g seems to be optimal for cost/effectiveness ratio. How many times per week do you train? I’m guessing you don’t dose on rest days, thus Pre workout only?1.5-2g is, IMO, the best from a cost:benefit perspective. Especially if dosed pre-workout only. 1g is still effective, but I've found even 500mg more to be noticeable. 2g was a bit more costly, but even at that level I noticed more than 1.5g.
Going higher could be more optimal, but then the cost starts becoming exponentially more of a factor.
Pre workout only, and I weight train 4x per week and only dose on those days.Thanks for the input and elaboration. That’s makes sense and if cost is factored in, then 2g seems to be optimal for cost/effectiveness ratio. How many times per week do you train? I’m guessing you don’t dose on rest days, thus Pre workout only?
also keep in mind that its a prop blend of 1500mg=600mg standarized w/ 2 other enhancers .. so youll never know how much you are getiing.So, this is the main ingrediant in Animal Test, they also couple it with Cissus - this could be suitabel for the pain people are feeling from the pro inflammatory properties
This was true for me, Tried them a few years back and had to give them to a buddy. Been power lifting and then body building for 43 years. I think every old injury flared up after a week. I did however love the long pump and the mild DOMS.Xgels are great but be aware of past injuries, tends to flare them up for me.
No kidding? I remember IL-6 was a major part of it, but I thought the prostaglandins were too. What are some LOX inhibitors?The new (since I’ve last commented) research indicates that the vast majority of its benefits (on muscle)is mediated through leukotrienes not prostaglandins
So, a LOX inhibitor would inhibit its positive effects whereas a COX inhibitor would not (maybe even synergize)
Anyone care to clarify this and examples of LOX and COX?The new (since I’ve last commented) research indicates that the vast majority of its benefits (on muscle)is mediated through leukotrienes not prostaglandins
So, a LOX inhibitor would inhibit its positive effects whereas a COX inhibitor would not (maybe even synergize)
Been a while since I looked, do you have a link or name of the study?The new (since I’ve last commented) research indicates that the vast majority of its benefits (on muscle)is mediated through leukotrienes not prostaglandins
So, a LOX inhibitor would inhibit its positive effects whereas a COX inhibitor would not (maybe even synergize)
Cox2 inhibitors are things like high doses Aspirin, ibuprofen and other NSAIDs. Cox 1 inhibitors are things like 81mg carnitine salts.Anyone care to clarify this and examples of LOX and COX?
Which would Pomegranate fall under? And would it inhibit Ara or synergize?Cox2 inhibitors are things like high doses Aspirin, ibuprofen and other NSAIDs. Cox 1 inhibitors are things like 81mg carnitine salts.
Ive not seen the latest research, but the previous advice was to avoid NSAIDs around Ara/ training and take Ara with a low dosed aspirin (81mg) or carnitine.
Pomegranate is anti-inflammatory as it essentially acts by suppressing COX 2 expression by acting on nuclear factor Kappa b.Which would Pomegranate fall under? And would it inhibit Ara or synergize?
You should expect to see the gains made stick after your runI’ve been reading the boards on and off forever but have never actually used x-gels or x-factor, this thread and the “favorite single ingredient natty anabolic” thread have sold me on it. DPS has a two pack of x gels for a great price right now too.
For those that had great results - do the strength gains stick around pretty well once you come off?
are you saying youve taken 20 caps of 250mg preworkout?So, it's tricky, and sample of 1 is confounding, and you'll never get robust study with the kind of numbers I'd like to see because nobody is sitting around with a few million dollars to burn studying ARA.
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I've taken 5g/workout for the peak overload 3rd month portion of a 4 month NLP program I was running.
And the followup strength gains I experienced in the final 4 weeks of lower volume training were out of this world.
It is in this context that I think ARA is at its most useful, but who knows how much I overshot the actual optimal dose?
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I've also run 3g/workout for extended periods during less aggressive training regimens and not noticed significantly more than at 2g.
I doubt you'll get a response from him now (unless he's lurking). That was back in 2019are you saying youve taken 20 caps of 250mg preworkout?
Hahaha do you think he meant 5 caps? 5g is out of this world. Youde need to buy it in a syrup bottle for thatI doubt you'll get a response from him now (unless he's lurking). That was back in 2019
You're trying to say more isn't better?!No I bet he tried actual 5g. People did push the doses for awhile, I remember definitely doing 2g maybe even 3g. Those kind of doses aren’t really necessary, but everyone was just trying things out back in the day.
that would explain why everyone seemed to accept the amount at face value. im always interested when people make moves like that because there is the potential to get a result nobody has ever seen, good or badNo I bet he tried actual 5g. People did push the doses for awhile, I remember definitely doing 2g maybe even 3g. Those kind of doses aren’t really necessary, but everyone was just trying things out back in the day.
Haha, nah. Knowing De__eb he would have tried it. I went up to 2.5g, but I felt the sweet spot was between 1.5g and 2g on training days only (as opposed to 500mg every day)Hahaha do you think he meant 5 caps? 5g is out of this world. Youde need to buy it in a syrup bottle for that
When you say it was too much what do you mean? Please elaborate please and thank you!I like ArA but splitting the doses, 1.5 gr pre workout is too much for me.
I did 1 gel breakfast and 2 gels pre workout and I love it like that.
I've got a migraine everytime that I did the pre workout protocol.When you say it was too much what do you mean? Please elaborate please and thank you!
When you say it was too much what do you mean? Please elaborate please and thank you!
Most people won't get headaches from it, but in people that are already prone to them and do, spacing the dosage out like the traditional dosing regimen is a good way to solve that in 99% of people.I've got a migraine everytime that I did the pre workout protocol.
Steve told me "stop this and do the traditional protocol".
No more migraines since I follow his instructions, I'm not the only one with headaches.
The results are the same splitting the dosage in 3-4 gels daily instead of 1 full dose.
Yes, I'm prone to have migraines , like 5-6 at year (not bad) but a high full dose of ArA could trigger the migraine.Most people won't get headaches from it, but in people that are already prone to them and do, spacing the dosage out like the traditional dosing regimen is a good way to solve that in 99% of people.
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