What dose of npp is your favorite? Also masteron P sweet spot?
Masteron p 400-450/weekWhat dose of npp is your favorite? Also masteron P sweet spot?
That really wouldn’t be considered Trt.Only ran npp once, but was at 450 or so and enjoyed it.
Interested in finding out more about running it low dosed during trt.
Yeah but theres more aggressive approaches to trt where im seeing additions of 100-150mg of npp/deca with 150mg test, along with some proviron. Mainly for joint benwfits but likely a slight boost in performance. Like i said, low dose and nowhere near what could be considered a cycle.That really wouldn’t be considered Trt.
This is not the train of thought someone transitioning into trt should have. Anything more then 200mg of test is a cycle or cruise. Nothing wrong with cruising if your honest with yourself and don’t try to justify it as something it’s not.Yeah but theres more aggressive approaches to trt where im seeing additions of 100-150mg of npp/deca with 150mg test, along with some proviron. Mainly for joint benwfits but likely a slight boost in performance. Like i said, low dose and nowhere near what could be considered a cycle.
Trt is testosterone replacement therapy. That's something else altogether if theyre adding other stuff... Ive heard people say theyre on trt while running low dose tren at 100mg per wek which is crazy bc trenbelone isnt even approved for human use at all... Thats not trt either lolYeah but theres more aggressive approaches to trt where im seeing additions of 100-150mg of npp/deca with 150mg test, along with some proviron. Mainly for joint benwfits but likely a slight boost in performance. Like i said, low dose and nowhere near what could be considered a cycle.
Hey man just want to apologize If I sound so preachy. You seem like a smart guy and I just wanted to see make a successful transition into TRT. I understand how tempting it is to want to add a little bit of Xtras to your trt. I understand how frustrating it is to lose your hard earned gains.Yeah but theres more aggressive approaches to trt where im seeing additions of 100-150mg of npp/deca with 150mg test, along with some proviron. Mainly for joint benwfits but likely a slight boost in performance. Like i said, low dose and nowhere near what could be considered a cycle.
Yes too low. At 200-300 you would have great joint benefits and such but not much anabolic muscle building effectsI was thinking of running it at 150 for a few weeks then 300, is that too low? Seems like most people like it a lot higher
No worries.Hey man just want to apologize If I sound so preachy. You seem like a smart guy and I just wanted to see make a successful transition into TRT. I understand how tempting it is to want to add a little bit of Xtras to your trt. I understand how frustrating it is to lose your hard earned gains.
Try to look at it like this, your most likely going on TRT because your not recovering like you used too. Which was probably caused from cycling to often, perhaps using RC serms.
As you know cycling is addictive and habit forming. It’s easy to talk yourself into believing running a little bit of this and that, year round is safe and healthy as long as bloods come back ok. Bloods don’t always tell the full story.
Those who have the most success longevity in this game do this the right way, responsibly.
It just egged me to hear that you were already contemplating adding other drugs before you even gave JUST TRT a go before your proposed DHB cycle in the spring.
Honestly no disrespect...
Right on man do you! If you need any tips Bali or anywhere in Indonesia holler! I’ve been there three times, and I have some friends there.No worries.
And the “enhanced” trt thing is by no means anything im looking into doing soon. Have my scheduled cycle, wanna monitor bloods and progress on trt for a while, etc. The soonest id be looking to do these cruise type things would be after my vacation in Bali next summer so its almost a year away. And the idea would be to cruise instead of full blown cycles most likely.
I get where youre coming from and appreciate the concern. Just know im bot going about this recklessly.
The more I get into this the more I believe that. A good stack at a decent dose outperforms throwing a ton of $hit at the wall everyday.Dr Greg Doucette reckons theres maybe 5lbs of lean mass difference between blasting 2-3gms of gear, and cruising on TRT dose of 140mg.
Check out some videos from Big Mike at The Research Station. He preaches microdosing and conservative dosages with smart stacking. Swears up and down you will get better results and less sides, and obviously less harmful to your body.The more I get into this the more I believe that. A good stack at a decent dose outperforms throwing a ton of $hit at the wall everyday.
As far as npp. ..I've only ran it once and started at 400-450 for 8 weeks. No negative sides and good gains...but when the 8 weeks was over I still had half a vial left so I blasted at 600 for 2ish weeks and geez. I felt the difference for sure. Just seemed to go into overdrive. I think I'll run it a bit higher than 450 but I wonder if staying at 600+ for a full cycle wont start attracting some bad side effects.
Ehhh, I saw the video where he mentions that, but I don’t know if I can agree with that personallyDr Greg Doucette reckons theres maybe 5lbs of lean mass difference between blasting 2-3gms of gear, and cruising on TRT dose of 140mg.
I wasnt being completely transparent though...he initially said "only 5lbs", but then added "5lbs, *maybe* 10lbs". Ten pounds is a pretty significant difference, well obviously moreso than 5.Ehhh, I saw the video where he mentions that, but I don’t know if I can agree with that personally
Not sure about that (heard him say that too) 100% but i am sure as hellmaking much more gains on 100mg test and 1000iu hch than naturally.Dr Greg Doucette reckons theres maybe 5lbs of lean mass difference between blasting 2-3gms of gear, and cruising on TRT dose of 140mg.
Same for me lmao when I cranked NPP sleep was the worst it’s ever been. Ofc I could take a load of stuff to sleep good but I don’t like it so I just accepted it. Jesus the sleep is horrible on NPP. So fucking frustrating.I ran 400mg NPP with 400mg Test Prop and this was an overall amazing cycle (except for sleep). Strength/volume/intensity/recovery was way up.
Hey brother, are you on TRT? I can't remember. If not, how was your hormonal recovery?I ran 400mg NPP with 400mg Test Prop and this was an overall amazing cycle (except for sleep). Strength/volume/intensity/recovery was way up.
Yes, been on TRT for 10/11 years now. No PCT's for me.Hey brother, are you on TRT? I can't remember. If not, how was your hormonal recovery?
Gotcha. Thanks brother.Yes, been on TRT for 10/11 years now. No PCT's for me.
Is it still possible to get dien ace? Because I found NPP to be very similar, except I can sleep on dien.Same for me lmao when I cranked NPP sleep was the worst it’s ever been. Ofc I could take a load of stuff to sleep good but I don’t like it so I just accepted it. Jesus the sleep is horrible on NPP. So fucking frustrating.
The sleep thing sounds horrible for me. I struggle with sleep anyway. I can't remember Math, are you on TRT? If not, how is hormonal recovery after NPP?Same for me lmao when I cranked NPP sleep was the worst it’s ever been. Ofc I could take a load of stuff to sleep good but I don’t like it so I just accepted it. Jesus the sleep is horrible on NPP. So fucking frustrating.
Yes on TRT brother. I think anyone who isn’t on trt should never run the longer ester deca due to how long it stays in the system but NPP clears pretty fast bro. For exemple my sleepless nights stopped 4 days after I discontinued npp. Also you can run it for only 8 weeks with incredible results so Thats another + for someone not on trt.The sleep thing sounds horrible for me. I struggle with sleep anyway. I can't remember Math, are you on TRT? If not, how is hormonal recovery after NPP?
Anyone else who isn't on TRT care to respond about hormonal recovery from NPP?
Honestly my two sources for injectables don’t carry it which puts a red flag to me but I’ve seen places still have it... I’m curious too because I have never run it personally but if you say it’s like npp without the sleep problems...Is it still possible to get dien ace? Because I found NPP to be very similar, except I can sleep on dien.
Thanks man. That's what I thought. That's actually brought on these questions now. A brother was talking about maybe running deca, and I was probably going to recommend NPP instead.Yes on TRT brother. I think anyone who isn’t on trt should never run the longer ester deca due to how long it stays in the system but NPP clears pretty fast bro. For exemple my sleepless nights stopped 4 days after I discontinued npp. Also you can run it for only 8 weeks with incredible results so Thats another + for someone not on trt.
Put it this way, I liked it so much, I ran it for 4 months and struggled coming off it. Really had hardly any sides. I ran it very effectively on a recomp, and decided to up the dose in month 4, ran a bulk and blew up. I didn't think anything would keep working after that long, let alone a fast ester, but it did.Honestly my two sources for injectables don’t carry it which puts a red flag to me but I’ve seen places still have it... I’m curious too because I have never run it personally but if you say it’s like npp without the sleep problems...
What exactly happens to sleep in NPP? Like can you describe how you feel? How does it compare to being on just testosterone. I never had an issue with sleep on just testosterone but then again I never tried other stuff besides prohormonesSame for me lmao when I cranked NPP sleep was the worst it’s ever been. Ofc I could take a load of stuff to sleep good but I don’t like it so I just accepted it. Jesus the sleep is horrible on NPP. So fucking frustrating.
On test my sleep is perfect. Test usually have a good effect on sleep for most people... NPP oh Jesus. After week 3-4 I legit could not get more than 5 hours of sleep. I usually go to sleep at 1am and sleep until 9am. So I would do that. I would wake up at 2am to then be sleepless until about 3. I would wake up every 20 mins until 6 and then 6 to 8 I would manage to sleep and wouldn’t be able to sleep from 8 to 9. Just shitty sleepless night. And you’re agitated too. Regardless of this it’s the best injectable imo.What exactly happens to sleep in NPP? Like can you describe how you feel? How does it compare to being on just testosterone. I never had an issue with sleep on just testosterone but then again I never tried other stuff besides prohormones
Well bro waking up every hour isn’t bad at all if that’s all NPP did against you..? That’s my regular night 365 days a year lolll! Maybe I didn’t explain it right but my nights were 4-5 hours of sleep but on a total of 9 to 10 hours TRYING to sleep. I would wake up from 12 to 25 times a night no joke.@Mathb33 you were super lucky to get 5hrs if NPP effects your sleep! I wish I could get at least that on it.
For me, it had me waking up every hour / 1.5hrs or so, no matter what I took, even combos of things that should’ve knocked me out 10hrs, rarely helped. Rx drugs didn’t help either. It’s crazy bad on sleep for me compared with anything else.
All I ran was 400 npp + 400 t-prop weekly (with caber and some asin), pretty standard dosing.
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