Unanswered Superdrol v anadrol
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bigbeaph
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How do they compare in toxicity? I'm no expert on either 2 but seems like superdrol would take the cake with being quite a bit more toxic equaling worse sides????
Matthersby
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Mg for mg SD is way worse. But I’m sure on 100 Adrol would be just as awful week 4 as 20-30 SD. Nothing really does suck quite like SD but I
️ it just the same.
Lowkii
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Mg for mg SD is way worse. But I’m sure on 100 Adrol would be just as awful week 4 as 20-30 SD. Nothing really does suck quite like SD but I️ it just the same.
Not at all. Anadrol is used in hospitals at 500mg a day. And that could be for months at a time... There's plenty of medical studies on Anadrol usage. I've ran Anadrol for months at a time, you simply can't do that with Superdrol. Toxicity is often overstated anyway.
bigbeaph
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SOLD!
Jinsun
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Whoa, 500mg??!! I saw studies done with 50 for a couple of month'sz but never heard about 500...
Matthersby
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Talking about feels. Run down, nauseous, etc.
Not really interested in the studies if I can’t eat week 3. And as I said, SD is way worse.
Mathb33
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Aren’t you the guy that says he’s never running SD below 30 and msten below 45mg?
Jstrong20
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No. I said 40 mg of msten is the sweet spot. Lol caught all kinds of **** for it. Was trying to point out msten had a higher ceiling then originally thought. I said the sweet spot for sd is 20 mgs. I tried 30 and was no diffrence. By sweet spot I ment best results for advanced users. People seem 40mgs msten and read nothing else I posted. Lol Also I recommended 20mgs for inexperienced guys but no body read that part either. Lol my as well post it again to see how rustled the internet gurus get again.
40 MG IS MSTENS SWEET SPOT!!!!
jrock645
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No. I said 40 mg of msten is the sweet spot. Lol caught all kinds of **** for it. Was trying to point out msten had a higher ceiling then originally thought. I said the sweet spot for sd is 20 mgs. I tried 30 and was no diffrence. By sweet spot I ment best results for advanced users. People seem 40mgs msten and read nothing else I posted. Lol Also I recommended 20mgs for inexperienced guys but no body read that part either. Lol my as well post it again to see how rustled the internet gurus get again.
40 MG IS MSTENS SWEET SPOT!!!!
40mg msten might be the sweet spot *for you*. Not for anyone else.
Matthersby
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This is exactly what I was going to point out.
What irritates “Gurus” is stating a sweet spot as if it’s fact. Most of the guys that have ran 30+ oral cycles that would even be considered Gurus don’t even fck with orals anymore. Especially not Msten.
“MY” sweet spot happens to be 20, and this year I can’t even run 10. I only say it’s “my sweet spot” because I’ve taken the time to run it at 10,20,30, even 40 on workout days. 40 is straight poison for me and not even remotely worth the trouble.
I’ve been doing this 15 years and I wouldn’t dare be presumptuous enough to state what the sweet spot is for all mankind.
Matthersby
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Besides, the sweet spot is the point where side effects are so prevalent that it’s not worth the dose increase. Not really much to do with the products effectiveness at that dose as effectiveness typically increases with dose.
Mathb33
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to Me a sweet spot is where the majority of people will feel the best, with the best gains with the less sides. It’s not something someone should take personal and say msten sweet spot is 40mg because I hasss a big penis i can do it!!. If 80% of the people can’t run msten higher than 20mg without feeling like a dead mosquito, then to me, that’s the drugs best dosage, + or -
Matthersby
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Smont
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They put ppl on 150mg doses of anadrol for up to 6 months at a time for medical reasons so it can't be that badMg for mg SD is way worse. But I’m sure on 100 Adrol would be just as awful week 4 as 20-30 SD. Nothing really does suck quite like SD but I
audi4796
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It’s not I don’t go under 100 with it for usually my whole cycle
bigbeaph
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I remember the first time I ran dmz...I believe at 30mg. Blew up, felt awesome, fantastic cycle....then i got on the boards and saw guys running it twice that dose. Maybe it's my old age but no way I'm going to fight 3 weeks of lethargy to spend twice as much on a cycle....seriously - eat right and train and these crazy doses would not net you an extra 10% in the end (imo)....theres going to be a ceiling on those gainz no matter how much gear/ds you take. AM is a pretty cool place in that you'll hear a lot of harm reduction info as opposed to that d!k swinging contest. Its sure entertaining when the contest begins though
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Matthersby
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Won’t be anywhere as bad as SD. But I can’t stand the lethargy that comes with orals. For medical reasons they don’t really care when someone’s at that point if they can function at a high level like most of us need to. So they will gain weight rapidly where most of us that are already forcing down 4K calories or more, going to the gym and work every day, and can’t be troubled with some of the sides that come with orals, especially not wanting to eat most of the day. I ate like a horse on 20-30/day SD when I was 27. Several dozen cycles later, I can’t seem to tolerate any orals and the average age around here isn’t mid twenties I’m betting. Some tolerate orals better than others but I’d guess a 44 year old taking 150mg Adrol a day after reading on here it’s sweet spot was up there would likely start a thread on here 2 weeks in they are napping in their car at work and can’t eat anything but protein shakes. Maybe I’m the odd one and orals are just done for me. But sweet spots are subjective because some can buckle down and ignore sides on 30 Msten(or they are the lucky rare few that have none at that dose) and some need to go back to 20 where the sides are at a level they can function at a high level, run errands, enthusiastically work and eat anytime necessary, and don’t feel like a zombie. That’s why we’ll all never agree on a sweet spot.
bigbeaph
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That's a great point when looking at all the studies and such...never really thought about that before. We have to be firing on all fronts to hit the weights as hard as we do, be in a state of growth AND maintain a normal work / family life. That's a lot especially the older we get. But your right on the orals..I used to kick off every cycle with an oral and now I have touched one in probably 18 months. Honestly dont miss them at all from a growth standpoint...and I just feel like sh!t eventually on all of them. Theres still a couple I want to try but they wont be as much of a staple as they would have been in the past.
Matthersby
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How old are you? MrKleen is about 5 years older than I am and gave me a lot of insight on how he’s been able to run orals. All of a sudden this year at age 40, out of nowhere, I can’t run anything. Msten@10, Winny@20, Var@25. Haven’t made it to the end of the first week. I’ve been trying everything to figure this out. Those doses are nothing and I’ve ran all 3 at double those doses minimum in the last 5 years. May be a bile duct issue or just having ran dozens or oral cycles over the years. My liver enzymes are absolutely perfect too. I’m fully unable to eat and nodding off all day by day 6 on any of them. Proviron split up 25mg throughout the day is all I can tolerate.
Super fcking annoying.
bigbeaph
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35 - and I should re-phrase. I havent cycled an oral in that long...havent touched for maybe 11 months. Prior to that I tried sd @20mg, sd @12mg, and msten @20mg. Sd was way worse but total lethargy and just no way to eat by the end of week one. None lasted longer than 7 days and I would even skip a couple doses the first week trying to improve from sides. I chalked it up to all orals and gave up bc the doses were so low. Actually have been cycling tudca the past year and continually on NAC trying to fix a possible bile duct issue if that's it. Liver enzymes never came back more than a few points high. So I havent explored many different compounds like you. But I'm hoping to run 25-50mg proviron (never used before) very soon on my pre-blast cruise. My mind was kinda going to the strong muscle building drugs...I dont know if I've heard of someone having so much of an problem with proviron?....your probably in a different league with that issue than I am.
Last winter I opted for npp to kick start instead of an oral. Awesome gains, felt like a 22 year old super hero...and just didnt look back on the orals. With the difference in well being I dont see the point.
Matthersby
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All of this.
I’m trying the same with Tudca hoping to jump on some winny in another 4 weeks.
Proviron is so easy you could run it as much as you want, 8 on 4 off, year round honestly.
Jinsun
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Haha tries SD and decides orals are whack : D Joke aside, everybody feels like chite on SD, if anything, this thread is a testament to that. I think you could try something less harsh then SD and msten. My liver sucks, but I do fine on dbol, var, ... can also tolerate 10mg SD but my piss gets brown at week 2 and browner at week 3
How dose NPP treat you on the androgenic side of things? How is sleep, mood, etc.? How much do you use?
LondonerTWBULLY
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I love sdrol but been hearing a lot about dymethazine(DMZ) it’s meant to be a less toxic weaker sdrol but you can take for longer periods?? Anyone used both before?
BBiceps
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can also tolerate 10mg SD but my piss gets brown at week 2 and browner at week 3
Why does this happen, dehydration? I noticed my piss got brown a few time after a week of SD
Jinsun
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Nah, it's got to do with liver stress. next step is jaundice : p idk, maybe
bigbeaph
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I get that - thing is I've ran sd at 30 and even pushed to 40 for a week years ago and had virtually no sides - no all I get are sides. I'm assuming something has changed. Ran msten very high in the past with no sides...now a crappy little 20mg and cant make it a week. Not like I ran it once and assumed all orals are like that. Wasnt worth feeling crappy trying a bunch of different ones so I threw in the towel.Haha tries SD and decides orals are whack : D Joke aside, everybody feels like chite on SD, if anything, this thread is a testament to that. I think you could try something less harsh then SD and msten. My liver sucks, but I do fine on dbol, var, ... can also tolerate 10mg SD but my piss gets brown at week 2 and browner at week 3
How dose NPP treat you on the androgenic side of things? How is sleep, mood, etc.? How much do you use?
bigbeaph
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Npp was great for me...I think I started at 350 and worked to 500 over 9 weeks. I had none of the sides some people report. Slept great, mood most definately improved. No anger or anxiety issuea... it felt like it kicked in like an oral - like week 2 and I could feel it with strength and gaining weight. Once I jumped off I realized how much better my knees and shoulders felt on it also.Haha tries SD and decides orals are whack : D Joke aside, everybody feels like chite on SD, if anything, this thread is a testament to that. I think you could try something less harsh then SD and msten. My liver sucks, but I do fine on dbol, var, ... can also tolerate 10mg SD but my piss gets brown at week 2 and browner at week 3
How dose NPP treat you on the androgenic side of things? How is sleep, mood, etc.? How much do you use?
Outofbody
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I'm the same. All I can think of is to megadose TUDCA. As far as I know, research I've done on UDCA shows that doses can go quite high.
Outofbody
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I'm super unlucky with NPP. I get tren-like sides on it, but tren itself doesn't give me many sides, feels like a smooth androgen to me. I don't get it because tren is likely trashing my insides far worse lol
bigbeaph
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So what kind of dosing have you seen? Dont ask me to quote it but I remember seeing some sort of a study showing after 8 weeks of tudca use there were some estrogen/progesterone issues. My protocol has been 6-8 weeks taking tudca at 250mg at every solid food meal. 750-1000 a day usually - then 30 days off and repeat.
BBiceps
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Is it anything we can do to prevent this?
Jinsun
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Jinsun
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Tbh I am not quite sure really. I mean, the internet dogma is to take nac and udca but have no studies done on aas and those compounds. They should help reduce liver stress, but how your piss is going to look like, with those compounds compared to without, I have no idea...
bigbeaph
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This only has happened to me a couple of times and increased water and electrolytes/ minerals promptly fixed the problem. Never even slowed down on the compounds. I always chalked it up to dehydration- and even if I was getting enough water it could happen if not enough sodium, potassium, etc. Just a personal theory though.
@Outofbody - have you ever ran trest? Curious with that reaction to 19-nors how it would treat you?
@Outofbody - have you ever ran trest? Curious with that reaction to 19-nors how it would treat you?
Matthersby
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Age.
And Kleen claims bile duct issues from years of doing this. I’m very interested in getting to the bottom of it though. I’m in the same boat. NEVER struggled with orals, throughout late twenties and early thirties, I could push epi to 60, SD to 30, Msten to 30, all of it. Just can’t run it at all now for some reason.
Matthersby
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I think he was just running it or still is.
It has fewer sides than NPP for me, which translates to zero sides other than the usual night sweats and a little excessive energy which can sometimes carry over to mild insomnia. 2 favorite injectables on earth, but for muscle gained, Trest shits on npp, absolutely shits all over it. However, npp gives gains that are so reasonable it would be hard to fck up maintaining them.
bigbeaph
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That's what we get for being around in the glory days where you could walk into gnc and pick up a bottle of M1T for 24.99...because you were bored lol
Jinsun
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What do you mean?
I'm considering npp for the first time in my next cycle a couple of weeks from now...
Outofbody
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Numerous times. I'm completely fine on trest and tren. Very few if any sides, while using proper ancillaries.
In fact I want to stack trest & tren ace with SD in the new year (with slin/gh as well).
Matthersby
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That’ll be nasty. Love it
Outofbody
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I'm 220lbs so for me, I can dose up to ~1500mg/day UDCA safely (13-15mg/kg/day) according to the FDA prescribing info. Not sure about TUDCA though or how it might differ.