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What do you mean?

I'm considering npp for the first time in my next cycle a couple of weeks from now...
It’s not overwhelming gains. But they consistently come on week after week. It’s one of those injectables that you lose track and finally pull the plug at 11 weeks bc it keeps on working.
As you know it’s only 1.3x more anabolic than test but that little bit makes a big difference. The sides are so minimal that you can keep pushing dose. I found at 300, it was just like a TRT dose, but once I started going over 500, it was glorious, it’s like a milder Trest. Your traps and shoulders just grow regardless of how you’re training them. It’s a big favorite for a reason, and so much drier than Deca, it seems like a totally different drug.
 
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The one difference I've made while running tren vs NPP is that I used prami on tren, and caber on NPP, every time (for some weird reason, I have no idea why it ended up like this). I suppose that could make a difference on sleep. I had no big issues with insomnia on tren when using nightly prami.
 
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It’s not overwhelming gains. But they consistently come on week after week. It’s one of those injectables that you lose track and finally pull the plug at 11 weeks bc it keeps on working.
As you know it’s only 1.3x more anabolic than test but that little bit makes a big difference. The sides are so minimal that you can keep pushing dose. I found at 300, it was just like a TRT dose, but once I started going over 500, it was glorious, it’s like a milder Trest. Your traps and shoulders just grow regardless of how you’re training them. It’s a big favorite for a reason, and so much drier than Deca, it seems like a totally different drug.
Yeah, I am considering it bc of the low androgenic side profile. It converts to DHN, which I understand has a lower binding affinity the DHT? So if you go TRT dose of test with cca. 400mg npp, mental sides should be a lot lower then just 500 test... ?
 
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What do you mean?

I'm considering npp for the first time in my next cycle a couple of weeks from now...
He meant gains are far different from the longer Ester. Almost no water, (I personally get zero) so the gains are pretty solid tbh. You don’t gain a ton of weight but what you gain is solid. I lost only 2 lbs when I stopped npp this summer.
 
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He meant gains are far different from the longer Ester. Almost no water, (I personally get zero) so the gains are pretty solid tbh. You don’t gain a ton of weight but what you gain is solid. I lost only 2 lbs when I stopped npp this summer.
Whoa, that's nothing. Interesting. This means it has very little nitrogen retention. Which actually isn't all that good for anabolism ...
 
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He meant gains are far different from the longer Ester. Almost no water, (I personally get zero) so the gains are pretty solid tbh. You don’t gain a ton of weight but what you gain is solid. I lost only 2 lbs when I stopped npp this summer.
Iirc - by the end of week 2 I was up 8 or 10 lbs. And that's the weight I lost most of - but every pound after that was quality muscle...in 9ish weeks I netted about 12 lean pounds off that. Had eq going at the same time but I lost nothing after coming off the eq. And being so early in the cycle I credit that initial weight to the npp.
 
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Yeah, I am considering it bc of the low androgenic side profile. It converts to DHN, which I understand has a lower binding affinity the DHT? So if you go TRT dose of test with cca. 400mg npp, mental sides should be a lot lower then just 500 test... ?
There’s a reason I just alternate good 19nors this one being my second favorite, barely any mental sides to attribute. Anxiety is non existent and I can’t even say my aggression lately is due to it, probably lower estro and the DHT I’m running with it. They are just so easy to run, it doesn’t surprise me when I hear guys pushing it 600+, I can’t imagine it would be troublesome at all, I just try to get the most with responsible doses so I can do this a lot longer without health concerns.
 
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There’s a reason I just alternate good 19nors this one being my second favorite, barely any mental sides to attribute. Anxiety is non existent and I can’t even say my aggression lately is due to it, probably lower estro and the DHT I’m running with it. They are just so easy to run, it doesn’t surprise me when I hear guys pushing it 600+, I can’t imagine it would be troublesome at all, I just don’t try to get the most with responsible doses so I can do this a lot longer without health concerns.
My sex drive was insane on the npp...but I've had some real issues since the first of the year. Started a short time after stopping the npp. Still cant get anything to work as I wish. Seemed all psychological at first...maybe still is...but I dont think so at this point. You ever get sexual sides coming off all those 19 nors?
 
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My sex drive was insane on the npp...but I've had some real issues since the first of the year. Started a short time after stopping the npp. Still cant get anything to work as I wish. Seemed all psychological at first...maybe still is...but I dont think so at this point. You ever get sexual sides coming off all those 19 nors?
My dick hasn’t worked right since finishing my first Trest cruise in 2015/16. Npp is even worse.
I’ll be keeping cialis in business the rest of my life I imagine.
 
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My dick hasn’t worked right since finishing my first Trest cruise in 2015/16. Npp is even worse.
I’ll be keeping cialis in business the rest of my life I imagine.
Damn, reading your post got me all hyped and then this : /

What happened?
 
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My dick hasn’t worked right since finishing my first Trest cruise in 2015/16. Npp is even worse.
I’ll be keeping cialis in business the rest of my life I imagine.
Oh Matth I meant to mention, that happened to me on my trest only cruise (no test). Libido disappeared. Only interested in sex maybe once a week. I stopped it and jumped on 200mg/test and now I'm back to 3x a day. I didn't expect that! Last time I ran trest, it was with a small dose of test too and I was an animal, but this time, as soon as I stopped SD/NPP on this blast, and ran trest solo at a low dose for a couple months, I just lost interest in sex.
 
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Damn, reading your post got me all hyped and then this : /

What happened?
Yea...not what I wanted to read either......

Cialis hasnt even helped...I popped 90mg out of desperation last week and that didnt even help. Just ordered from a different place - surely that means I have a bad batch?!?!? I fully expected to go to the er after that night and didnt even care
 
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Yea...not what I wanted to read either......

Cialis hasnt even helped...I popped 90mg out of desperation last week and that didnt even help. Just ordered from a different place - surely that means I have a bad batch?!?!? I fully expected to go to the er after that night and didnt even care
If it helps, I've read that cialis/etc won't work at all when estrogen is too low. I tested this out and it seems to be true.
 
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Yea...not what I wanted to read either......

Cialis hasnt even helped...I popped 90mg out of desperation last week and that didnt even help. Just ordered from a different place - surely that means I have a bad batch?!?!? I fully expected to go to the er after that night and didnt even care
Damn.

Is this prostate growth? I mean, what else could it be if you hormones are ok...

I'm a non responder to cialis heh Stuff just transforms me into a farting nightmare for 24 hours... Viagra is much better, but still not that great at 50mg.
 
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If you’re cruising or on TRT try lowering or dropping your AI. Worked for me. Realized I didn’t even need an AI anymore. Half a tab of levitra is perfect now.
 
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If you’re cruising or on TRT try lowering or dropping your AI. Worked for me. Realized I didn’t even need an AI anymore. Half a tab of levitra is perfect now.
That makes a lot of sense actually. That's what I get for slacking on my bloods lately. With hcg and trt it shouldnt take long to bounce back and see what happens.
 
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So many good responses. I thought I was the only one.
@Jinsun It wasn’t so much Npp, in fact that one I recover from and move on with no issues with libido.
The answer is more complicated. I will use massive doses of AI on Trest and if labs are good swap over to NPP, and I think my AI is too high since I don’t adjust it. This could be low estrogen.
I do respond to cialis though pretty much no matter what unless prolactin is high. But @Outofbody is probably right, it could be my monster doses of AI.
@bigbeaph, I know exactly what you’re talking about, there’s a correlation with Trest giving you over the top libido, but when you run it too much or for too long, the opposite happens. I was literally just going to post that.
I think it’s overuse of 19nors cause issues(which I’m quite guilty of) not just a responsible short cycle followed by TRT for several months or a strong pct. I don’t really stay off blasts too long, and I don’t adjust my AI enough. Good reasons there. But never so bad cialis and Prami can fix it quick
 
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But never so bad cialis and Prami can fix it quick
Here is my issue with pramila- and actually I only keep caber on hand bc my reading makes me think it does about the same thing and most users report less sides with caber. If you dont get bloods then it's very tough to say your prolactin is high....yes there are signs I understand. But if I "think" my prolactin is high and pop a caber a couple times over a week or 2 - someone would seriously run the risk of taking it to 0 if the original assumption was wrong. How does that effect someone? Wouldnt that cause some sexual dysfunction on it's own?
 
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Here is my issue with pramila- and actually I only keep caber on hand bc my reading makes me think it does about the same thing and most users report less sides with caber. If you dont get bloods then it's very tough to say your prolactin is high....yes there are signs I understand. But if I "think" my prolactin is high and pop a caber a couple times over a week or 2 - someone would seriously run the risk of taking it to 0 if the original assumption was wrong. How does that effect someone? Wouldnt that cause some sexual dysfunction on it's own?
Without labs: impotence on a 19nor, or full blown lactation. Anything else I would assume it’s estrogen. This is bro science at its best though.
I’m with ItalOne on this matter; control the estrogen, no worries about prolactin.
I don’t see it going low being too much of a problem as I take Prami for fun and it’s never cause dysfunction, just awesomeness in the sack.
 

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Hi I’ve ran superdrol clones twice which were great but I can now get the older superdrol formula which is meant to be stronger has anyone heard or used INTEX PHARMA – SUPERDROL ???
That sounds like marketing BS. It’s not a formula, it’s just straight Superdrol. If it’s the same compound, it’s not gonna be any different, assuming they meet label claims.
 
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How old are you? MrKleen is about 5 years older than I am and gave me a lot of insight on how he’s been able to run orals. All of a sudden this year at age 40, out of nowhere, I can’t run anything. [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Haven’t made it to the end of the first week. I’ve been trying everything to figure this out. Those doses are nothing and I’ve ran all 3 at double those doses minimum in the last 5 years. May be a bile duct issue or just having ran dozens or oral cycles over the years. My liver enzymes are absolutely perfect too. I’m fully unable to eat and nodding off all day by day 6 on any of them. Proviron split up 25mg throughout the day is all I can tolerate.
Super fcking annoying.
Can you handle im superdrol?
 
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That sounds like marketing BS. It’s not a formula, it’s just straight Superdrol. If it’s the same compound, it’s not gonna be any different, assuming they meet label claims.
the old superdrol was
2α,17α-dimethyl-5α-androstan-17β-ol-3-one But the clones vary a lot .Generation sdmatrix superdrol (new) 2a,17a-dimethyl-4-androstadiene-3-one,17b-0l or advanced pharma maxdrol which superdrol chemical name is 2a 17a dimethyl etiocholan-3-one17b-ol anyone knows chemistry that can help:)
 
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[/QUOTE the old superdrol was
2α,17α-dimethyl-5α-androstan-17β-ol-3-one But the clones vary a lot .Generation sdmatrix superdrol (new) 2a,17a-dimethyl-4-androstadiene-3-one,17b-0l or advanced pharma maxdrol which superdrol chemical name is 2a 17a dimethyl etiocholan-3-one17b-ol anyone knows chemistry that can help:)
That makes them Not a clone. They are just using SD in their name to sell more.
Methyl Masterdrol (one of the first real clones) went with Methyl Masterdrol v 2.0 and it was nothing close to SD. Just marketing trash
 
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Can you handle im superdrol?
It’s been out of stock the last 3 times I’ve tried to order it over the last 18 months. I certainly would give it a try. IMO injectable Methyls can be ran higher and cause 1/3 less sides but still raise liver enzymes, just not much.
 

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[/QUOTE the old superdrol was
2α,17α-dimethyl-5α-androstan-17β-ol-3-one But the clones vary a lot .Generation sdmatrix superdrol (new) 2a,17a-dimethyl-4-androstadiene-3-one,17b-0l or advanced pharma maxdrol which superdrol chemical name is 2a 17a dimethyl etiocholan-3-one17b-ol anyone knows chemistry that can help:)
Yeah that’s two of the biggest tricks I’ve seen with PH/DS. First, use the name of a well known compound, but don’t include it. Second, use the actual compound, but butcher the chemical nomenclature so it looks like they’ve invented something.
 
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It’s been out of stock the last 3 times I’ve tried to order it over the last 18 months. I certainly would give it a try. IMO injectable Methyls can be ran higher and cause 1/3 less sides but still raise liver enzymes, just not much.
I saw that. I was looking for it to. Out of stock
 
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Yeah that’s two of the biggest tricks I’ve seen with PH/DS. First, use the name of a well known compound, but don’t include it. Second, use the actual compound, but butcher the chemical nomenclature so it looks like they’ve invented something.
It's a dirty fkn corner of the industry. That's why you have to find a couple good places and stick to them. Can I state that I miss premier oils here...again
 

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