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My wife just started at this endo and i had her ask him if he prescribed peptides and such yesterday at her visit. He said yes, so he is getting a new patient. Yeah I know there are plenty of sources out there but so many are faked... Hell I am sure he would do HGH but I don't have the cash for that! Plus I have been wanting to take my TRT to someone who will really dial it in for me.
 
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LMAO!!! How much you running today? I got pretty friggin hyper around 20mg.... My ADHD just said WELL HELLO THERE!!!!
I’m just finishing the last 3 weeks at 10mg. But I’m dosing only 25mg winny at bedtime and I am noticeably zippier today.
Sure beats falling asleep unable to eat, we will see if I can keep this up. Also going to start running big TUDCA doses during the day with orals. But I fear my oral consumption is going to be roughly half of what I used to tolerate easily and all at bedtime. We will see, I may go to 50mg after 2 weeks of Tudca and no sides during the day.
 
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You can run mk677 at 25mg a day and use cjc w dac " which only needs to be injected twice a week " and get your igf score on par with 3 iu pharma gh. It's the cheapest effective alternative to hgh
Doesn’t that cause bloat and increased appetite? Hgh makes you look lean eating a 1000 calories over maintenance.
 
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I think even if you can't go back up as high you might find that you are able to get more out of what you are able to take than you expect. Less gear less negative feed back loop interaction too I would assume. Lower doses of gear, less SHBG, and less myostatin production...

Oh I meant to mention I think it was you who mentioned receptor sensitivity. I don't think it is receptor sensitivity so much as increase myostatin and SHBG that often slows growth at the end of cycles and why people who run cycles frequently do not see as big of gains from one to another. Myostatin levels increase throughout the cycle to control the unnatural levels of muscle growth. They probably don't come all the way down with a short break. So less gains on the next cycle if done too soon.
 
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Since I feel like rambling today. Have I told you guys how amazing Cardarine is???
Can you say who’s cardarine your running?
I can’t take all the awesome reviews anymore!!
I’m will be adding it to my blast that’s about to start up.
 
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Can you say who’s cardarine your running?
I can’t take all the awesome reviews anymore!!
I’m will be adding it to my blast that’s about to start up.
Email list. Send me a pm for more if interested.
 
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Doesn’t that cause bloat and increased appetite? Hgh makes you look lean eating a 1000 calories over maintenance.
I don't really get bloated at all. Just pumped up looking. I might look bloated for a few days then it goes away. I don't think it does much for fat loss but helps build muscle and work out harder which will eventually bring some fat loss. Increase in hunger goes away after about a week or two. If you go off for a week and then come back on the hunger comes right back but if you stay on straight through the hunger doesn't ever seem to come back it just stays normal
 
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Quick question boys, I have an infection in a finger close to the nail. I’m going to get it checked tomorrow and I’m afraid I’ll be on meds for a couple days. What’s up with antibiotics? Would I have to quit SD? I’d be fucking pissed. Btw tomorrow I’m off ima update my cycle. Sorry for being so late. Hopefully someone has an answer for me @Matthersby @Renew1 @Smont @Hyde @ItalOne @MrKleen73
 
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I don't really get bloated at all. Just pumped up looking. I might look bloated for a few days then it goes away. I don't think it does much for fat loss but helps build muscle and work out harder which will eventually bring some fat loss. Increase in hunger goes away after about a week or two. If you go off for a week and then come back on the hunger comes right back but if you stay on straight through the hunger doesn't ever seem to come back it just stays normal
Cool man, maybe one day I’ll give MK a go. I’ve seen the numbers so I know it works! It just seems like the sides are user dependent.
Yo thanks for taking your time to explain.
 
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Ouch @Mathb33 I had an infection in my right index finger once. Hurt like hell! Couldn’t put my hand in my pocket and had to keep a band aid around it. I’m not sure how it started but I drained it myself. It was up in the cuticle.
I work at a bar and a grow, then you have the gym. All breading grounds for bacteria.

You probably better off going to the DR with that free healthcare Ehh 😶
 
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Cool man, maybe one day I’ll give MK a go. I’ve seen the numbers so I know it works! It just seems like the sides are user dependent.
Yo thanks for taking your time to explain.
Very user dependent
 
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Quick question boys, I have an infection in a finger close to the nail. I’m going to get it checked tomorrow and I’m afraid I’ll be on meds for a couple days. What’s up with antibiotics? Would I have to quit SD? I’d be fucking pissed. Btw tomorrow I’m off ima update my cycle. Sorry for being so late. Hopefully someone has an answer for me @Matthersby @Renew1 @Smont @Hyde @ItalOne @MrKleen73
Nah ... I'd keep rolling with that.
 
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Quick question boys, I have an infection in a finger close to the nail. I’m going to get it checked tomorrow and I’m afraid I’ll be on meds for a couple days. What’s up with antibiotics? Would I have to quit SD? I’d be fucking pissed. Btw tomorrow I’m off ima update my cycle. Sorry for being so late. Hopefully someone has an answer for me @Matthersby @Renew1 @Smont @Hyde @ItalOne @MrKleen73
Take em @ different times. G2G
 
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Quick question boys, I have an infection in a finger close to the nail. I’m going to get it checked tomorrow and I’m afraid I’ll be on meds for a couple days. What’s up with antibiotics? Would I have to quit SD? I’d be fucking pissed. Btw tomorrow I’m off ima update my cycle. Sorry for being so late. Hopefully someone has an answer for me @Matthersby @Renew1 @Smont @Hyde @ItalOne @MrKleen73
After having (very) extensive experience i would say that it depends on the antibiotic but most of them should only help woth hepatic shyttiness from sd but i would take some stuff to make sure bile ducts are functioning well. New world nutritionals makes an appendix supp that would be perfect for the combo of sd w antibiotics. I wouod think anyways. Ricky10 have any input here? (He always has what im missing similar to mathersby always remeber what has gone stale to me.)
 
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With taking different drugs at the same time, it's usually the enzymes that metabolise the drugs, that are in question. But antibiotics, as far as I know, don't get metabolised? So it shouldn't be a problem in that regard at least.
 
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I don't think it is receptor sensitivity so much as increase myostatin and SHBG that often slows growth at the end of cycles and why people who run cycles frequently do not see as big of gains from one to another.
You know, I'd be surprised to see high shbg levels in most people cycles, as most aas lower shbg quite a bit. Not to mention Ai's that are taken in most cycles...
 

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I came across half a bottle of m1a and now I have this horrible idea of throwing 30mg of it on top of my 10mg superdrol. I seriously need to control myself on this one lmao but god damnit 😂
It is like Pringles.
Once you pop, you can't stop.😁
 
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I’m curious if some of you guys had any experience with superdrol at 10mg? One of my sources is selling some ridiculously cheap superdrol because it just got expired soooo... 😈 I’ll stock up. I’ve used it twice at 20mg and liked it but I don’t want something as intense as 20mg and I don’t necessarily want to add 8-9 lbs of just intra muscular water and glycogen on top of the muscle. I’m also at the end of a 4 and a half month blast which included test,msten,npp 7 weeks and m1a low dose 4 weeks. It’s ideally not the best idea for me to run superdrol right now but last time i ran bloods works I was at the peak of my blast and my lipids were a little bit out of range, liver slightly out of range also but that’s expected on those orals. only thing that’s **** is my BP tbh. Since the bloods (2months ago) I’ve dropped npp,any orals, dropped my test to 400mg. I’m coming back to cruise dose around next week and was THINKING about finishing it all with a 3-4 weeks superdrol 10mg. I’ll stay on cruise until May next year. Just looking for some thoughts on the overall idea and also on the 10mg dose if anyone tried it.

It works and might feel healthier at low dosage but its one of these things which will be solely based on your physique. 10mg sd solo wouldn't do much for a bigger guy but that doesnt mean it wont work. For any beginner 10mg sd is stronger than most steroids dosed "properly".. I say properly as in "effective dosage"
 

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Is 6 week's on 10mg SD all right or is it too long?
 
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It works and might feel healthier at low dosage but its one of these things which will be solely based on your physique. 10mg sd solo wouldn't do much for a bigger guy but that doesnt mean it wont work. For any beginner 10mg sd is stronger than most steroids dosed "properly".. I say properly as in "effective dosage"
I would agree but stand-alone. But if stacked with test and Trest or test/Npp, it’s pretty impressive at 10mg. 20is plenty for a 255lb guy but if he’s like me and getting older and ran a lot of orals, 10 would be the max he could keep an appetite regardless of how big he was. But I know exactly what you mean.
Where ya been?
 
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I would agree but stand-alone. But if stacked with test and Trest or test/Npp, it’s pretty impressive at 10mg. 20is plenty for a 255lb guy but if he’s like me and getting older and ran a lot of orals, 10 would be the max he could keep an appetite regardless of how big he was. But I know exactly what you mean.
Where ya been?

Oh absolutely with a stack, heck just for pure strength it would work. Just saying that 10mg for a bigger guy isnt anything that will turn you in to a monster. Sometimes its better to run other compounds and just skip the potential disaster from superdrol, the eating problem and fatigue. I like the idea of 10mg if youre aware of how much it actually is for "you" or if youre a beginner. If youve done steroids for years and think that superdrol at low dosage will blow your mind chances are youll be unsatisfied.


Haha glad you noticed. Ive been here now and then but all my subscriptions are disappearing after the update and i havent had time to scroll through everything. Anything new ive missed?
 
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Oh absolutely with a stack, heck just for pure strength it would work. Just saying that 10mg for a bigger guy isnt anything that will turn you in to a monster. Sometimes its better to run other compounds and just skip the potential disaster from superdrol, the eating problem and fatigue. I like the idea of 10mg if youre aware of how much it actually is for "you" or if youre a beginner. If youve done steroids for years and think that superdrol at low dosage will blow your mind chances are youll be unsatisfied.


Haha glad you noticed. Ive been here now and then but all my subscriptions are disappearing after the update and i havent had time to scroll through everything. Anything new ive missed?
Math finally put up an Avi, he’s a pretty thick Canadian. Alchemist is still a freak. I’ve lost 20lbs total with a local NPC prep coach/trainer reverse dieting and we are now starting an off season. Best money I’ve ever spent on my physique.
And I actually do agree with you, I think I’m using my experience tolerating orals after a decade plus , because my first go with SD I ran 20-30 with no real sides. I COULD NOT do that 10 years later although at the size I was at it would have been more ideal. 20 is transformative even with no other drugs in the mix.
 
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Math finally put up an Avi, he’s a pretty thick Canadian. Alchemist is still a freak. I’ve lost 20lbs total with a local NPC prep coach/trainer reverse dieting and we are now starting an off season. Best money I’ve ever spent on my physique.
And I actually do agree with you, I think I’m using my experience tolerating orals after a decade plus , because my first go with SD I ran 20-30 with no real sides. I COULD not do that 10 years later although at the size I was at it would have been more ideal. 20 is transformative even with no other drugs in the mix.
Glad that's working for you. Ive started bulking a little now so we'll see where ill end up :). Your experience is very valued of course and i agree that 10 is somewhat manageable for most people while 20 isnt. Didnt math have a pic or am i thinking about another math? Whats your weight now?
 
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Quick question boys, I have an infection in a finger close to the nail. I’m going to get it checked tomorrow and I’m afraid I’ll be on meds for a couple days. What’s up with antibiotics? Would I have to quit SD? I’d be fucking pissed. Btw tomorrow I’m off ima update my cycle. Sorry for being so late. Hopefully someone has an answer for me @Matthersby @Renew1 @Smont @Hyde @ItalOne @MrKleen73
I am with most everyone else here. I don't really see a problem other than antibiotics mess with your gut bacteria, and therefore digestion. The only issue I see there is it could possibly compound some of the appetite issues, but if antibiotics don't normally bother your stomach probably not much of an issue.
You know, I'd be surprised to see high shbg levels in most people cycles, as most aas lower shbg quite a bit. Not to mention Ai's that are taken in most cycles...
Yeah, I guess it really depends on what types of gear is being run. I don't typically run DHT based stuff due to the cost of everything but Winny which I don't run any more because of my joints. Well that and I LOVE Var. I know running winny at the end of the cycle was a big thing done to lower SHGB for years. Not sure if that is just old school thinking now or not. However the myostatin would be the more limiting factor out of the two in my opinion. That is exactly what it is there to do, control / limit excessive muscular growth. That being said it is still pretty obvious that a person cruising on 350-500mg of gear and then running 2 grams during a cycle will still pack on more mass but the efficiency ratio of those cycles and cost per lb of muscle is going to be way higher. Again just my opinion. Thoughts on that?
Oh absolutely with a stack, heck just for pure strength it would work. Just saying that 10mg for a bigger guy isnt anything that will turn you in to a monster. Sometimes its better to run other compounds and just skip the potential disaster from superdrol, the eating problem and fatigue. I like the idea of 10mg if youre aware of how much it actually is for "you" or if youre a beginner. If youve done steroids for years and think that superdrol at low dosage will blow your mind chances are youll be unsatisfied.


Haha glad you noticed. Ive been here now and then but all my subscriptions are disappearing after the update and i havent had time to scroll through everything. Anything new ive missed?
Oh yeah, I don't think anyone here is expecting tons out of 10mg, it is fantastic for recomp but definitely not an efficient bulking dose for most.
 
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I think only using 10mg of SD is best to maintain muscles on a cut. Not so great to build a lot muscle. If your trying to squeeze 20mg SD gains out of 10mg by eating excessively, you not going to look that great.
 
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I think only using 10mg of SD is best to maintain muscles on a cut. Not so great to build a lot muscle. If your trying to squeeze 20mg SD gains out of 10mg by eating excessively, you not going to look that great.
Yeah, on a solid recomp diet I can drop a few BF% and gain a lb or two, which is a win in my book off of 10mg.
 
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Yeah, on a solid recomp diet I can drop a few BF% and gain a lb or two, which is a win in my book off of 10mg.
This is my plan for my upcoming blast. My friends think I’m crazy to waste a blast on a recomp.
 
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This is my plan for my upcoming blast. My friends think I’m crazy to waste a blast on a recomp.
Hell nah I disagree. When somebody’s got great mass and a great base a sick blast for recomp can end up with AMAZING results. I don’t know what you plan on running but I think the idea is great bro.
 
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This is my plan for my upcoming blast. My friends think I’m crazy to waste a blast on a recomp.
If that is you in your avi then I think you have it right! I think most people think they gain a lot more muscle on a bulk than they really do and use weight and increased strength as their markers. However a lot, or some of the extra weight lifted comes in via more advantageous positioning due to extra mass than total proof of muscular strength gains. I would be willing to bet you can gain the same or very close amounts of LBM as they do throughout the year. Just no huge jump in weight or increased mass making lifts easier due to leverage changes. Plus looking good all year and having a healthier diet is an obvious advantage of it. I honestly haven't done a true bulk in 20 years but I am also not huge and don't intend to try to be. If i run another cycle it will be a recomp for sure. Sitting at a 200+ @ 5'7 with some abs works for me as far as size.
Hell nah I disagree. When somebody’s got great mass and a great base a sick blast for recomp can end up with AMAZING results. I don’t know what you plan on running but I think the idea is great bro.
No doubt!!!
 
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Hell nah I disagree. When somebody’s got great mass and a great base a sick blast for recomp can end up with AMAZING results. I don’t know what you plan on running but I think the idea is great bro.
Everyone tells me I’ll look bigger if I drop some body fat. I think I’m going to log it here because I need some motivation. Ill give a proper intro so everyone knows my story as it’s a bit unorthodox.
 
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If that is you in your avi then I think you have it right! I think most people think they gain a lot more muscle on a bulk than they really do and use weight and increased strength as their markers. However a lot, or some of the extra weight lifted comes in via more advantageous positioning due to extra mass than total proof of muscular strength gains. I would be willing to bet you can gain the same or very close amounts of LBM as they do throughout the year. Just no huge jump in weight or increased mass making lifts easier due to leverage changes. Plus looking good all year and having a healthier diet is an obvious advantage of it. I honestly haven't done a true bulk in 20 years but I am also not huge and don't intend to try to be. If i run another cycle it will be a recomp for sure. Sitting at a 200+ @ 5'7 with some abs works for me as far as size.

No doubt!!!
Yeah that’s me in the AVI, nothing special! Though I haven’t eaten meat in 8 years and started this journey as a 135lb depressed, alcoholic, coke head!! I’m currently 47 years old 5’9” 188 lbs probably 14-15% BF. I would love to get below 10%
 
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Yeah that’s me in the AVI, nothing special! Though I haven’t eaten meat in 8 years and started this journey as a 135lb depressed, alcoholic, coke head!! I’m currently 47 years old 5’9” 188 lbs probably 14-15% BF. I would love to get below 10%
What 15%? Dude your back looks like a 9-10% that’s crazy. Anyways I think you look great and a blast for recomp would be amazing for you. Hope you log it
 
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Everyone tells me I’ll look bigger if I drop some body fat. I think I’m going to log it here because I need some motivation. Ill give a proper intro so everyone knows my story as it’s a bit unorthodox.
Start a log on AM. Cutting cycle logs are the best because of the visual progression. People will hold you more accountable and be around to bounce ideas off of!
 
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Everyone tells me I’ll look bigger if I drop some body fat. I think I’m going to log it here because I need some motivation. Ill give a proper intro so everyone knows my story as it’s a bit unorthodox.
Nice, put a link in here so we can follow it.
Yeah that’s me in the AVI, nothing special! Though I haven’t eaten meat in 8 years and started this journey as a 135lb depressed, alcoholic, coke head!! I’m currently 47 years old 5’9” 188 lbs probably 14-15% BF. I would love to get below 10%
I can't see your front but unless your back is leaner than your front or your legs are holding the fat you are probably a little lower. Also nothing special my ass!!! A Dad bod is nothing special. Someone who has gained 50lbs and built a lean and muscular physique with all the challenges of being a vegetarian is fugging impressive. It is whether you are vegetarian or not but that adds a lot more challenge to it. It is nice to have humility, but don't shortchange yourself either.
Start a log on AM. Cutting cycle logs are the best because of the visual progression. People will hold you more accountable and be around to bounce ideas off of!
This right here! We will all jump in on that just link it up so we can follow along.
 
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Glad that's working for you. Ive started bulking a little now so we'll see where ill end up :). Your experience is very valued of course and i agree that 10 is somewhat manageable for most people while 20 isnt. Didnt math have a pic or am i thinking about another math? Whats your weight now?
Sitting just below 220. Which is really light for my height but bodyfat is low. We will probably keep slowing adding carbs and get me back to 235ish but at a low bodyfat this time. Diet with him is meticulous to say the least but I’m now seeing how effective that really can be. I’m not comfortable this thin but I actually look bigger. The next 3 months should be really damn fun.
 
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Hell nah I disagree. When somebody’s got great mass and a great base a sick blast for recomp can end up with AMAZING results. I don’t know what you plan on running but I think the idea is great bro.
I’m with you guys.
Yes nutrient partitioning makes bulking with aas a lot smoother and leaner. But the magic is recomping and cutting. Talk to natty guys that put on 30lbs in the off season and diet off 27 of it for the show. Cutting without gear sucks. Recomping, real recomping when you actually add lbm while dropping bf% both simultaneously are what make aas so incredible.
 
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Ive read on forums that some folk use SD only as a pre workout. Is the compound still anabolic enough that taking it preworkout (saying you workout 5 days a week) still result in muscle growth from that actual compound. Or is it purely for added strength for that workout (which in turn will present results I guess).
 
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Ive read on forums that some folk use SD only as a pre workout. Is the compound still anabolic enough that taking it preworkout (saying you workout 5 days a week) still result in muscle growth from that actual compound. Or is it purely for added strength for that workout (which in turn will present results I guess).
People pulse orals like that to lower sides/be able to tolerate taking them for more weeks. Whether it’s equally effective or not is tough to say.

If you aren’t on oils, don’t even consider that.
 
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Nice, put a link in here so we can follow it.
I can't see your front but unless your back is leaner than your front or your legs are holding the fat you are probably a little lower. Also nothing special my ass!!! A Dad bod is nothing special. Someone who has gained 50lbs and built a lean and muscular physique with all the challenges of being a vegetarian is fugging impressive. It is whether you are vegetarian or not but that adds a lot more challenge to it. It is nice to have humility, but don't shortchange yourself either.
This right here! We will all jump in on that just link it up so we can follow along.
Hey thanks for the kind words man. My only goal is look good when I’m 50, a cpl years away. Weight, PR’s and competitions don’t interest me. Ha, I’m actually more into snowboarding and mountain biking then lifting. These are just a few quick pics from today to show you what I’m working with.
Lol, no nudes yet 🤪 maybe later. I just started eating eggs and diary again about a year ago.
 

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People pulse orals like that to lower sides/be able to tolerate taking them for more weeks. Whether it’s equally effective or not is tough to say.

If you aren’t on oils, don’t even consider that.
Ok Hyde definitely won’t be doing that. I just received my anavar from atomic pharma (Taylor made rebrand) and will be running that for 9/10weeks at 50-75mg. Might try the SD at another point.
 
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Hey thanks for the kind words man. My only goal is look good when I’m 50, a cpl years away. Weight, PR’s and competitions don’t interest me. Ha, I’m actually more into snowboarding and mountain biking then lifting. These are just a few quick pics from today to show you what I’m working with.
Lol, no nudes yet 🤪 maybe later. I just started eating eggs and diary again about a year ago.
Lookin good man. Hopefully we get some snow this year like we used to in the days of old.
 
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Hey thanks for the kind words man. My only goal is look good when I’m 50, a cpl years away. Weight, PR’s and competitions don’t interest me. Ha, I’m actually more into snowboarding and mountain biking then lifting. These are just a few quick pics from today to show you what I’m working with.
Lol, no nudes yet 🤪 maybe later. I just started eating eggs and diary again about a year ago.
Looking good old man
 
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Lookin good man. Hopefully we get some snow this year like we used to in the days of old.
Hey thanks so much bro! We better get hit hard now that they jack up all the prices. Last year was epic though, especially the spring. Going to try and get out to Moab for a mountain bike trip here in couple weeks.
 

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