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Unanswered SNS Thermagize XT - The Ultimate 1 Capsule Fat Burning Energizer

Raw Dog said:
My bad man just messaged you
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Many thanks to @Raw Dog forsending me a sample. Given that I'm highly sensitive to stims (nausea, dry heaving, etc.) I was hesitant to buy an entire bottle only for me to realize it would be a waste after 1 serving.

That being said - I took my first dosage a few hours ago and I have had ZERO negative sides that I've gotten from previous stims/fat burners/pre-workouts. So far I'm loving it. Will use the rest of my samples and if everything goes well I plan to order a bottle.
 
ToDie4Test said:
Many thanks to @Raw Dog forsending me a sample. Given that I'm highly sensitive to stims (nausea, dry heaving, etc.) I was hesitant to buy an entire bottle only for me to realize it would be a waste after 1 serving.

That being said - I took my first dosage a few hours ago and I have had ZERO negative sides that I've gotten from previous stims/fat burners/pre-workouts. So far I'm loving it. Will use the rest of my samples and if everything goes well I plan to order a bottle.
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This pretty much seems to be the case for most that have tried this. I’m very sensitive to Y but this high quality Alpha Y doesn’t have the normal negative sides that come from Y.
 
ToDie4Test said:
Many thanks to @Raw Dog forsending me a sample. Given that I'm highly sensitive to stims (nausea, dry heaving, etc.) I was hesitant to buy an entire bottle only for me to realize it would be a waste after 1 serving.

That being said - I took my first dosage a few hours ago and I have had ZERO negative sides that I've gotten from previous stims/fat burners/pre-workouts. So far I'm loving it. Will use the rest of my samples and if everything goes well I plan to order a bottle.
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Glad they made it there without getting crushed and glad you are enjoying it!
 
Took my first cap of Thermagize this morning before cardio. Always fasted. It hit a lot sooner than some of you are saying. Probably within 10-15 mins for me.

I initially got that "holy chit, I'm getting jazzed up." feeling, then about 20-25 mins in I was teetering on the borderline of being "too stimmed" but it eased off at the gym.

Excellent energy. Tons of sweating. I took the cap at 6:20am and it's 9:00am and I'm still going strong, still energized. I will update later in the day on its effects.
 
4:25pm, no crash to report. Would absolutely crash on DMAA and other "exotic stim" fat burners by now in the past, usually by 3pm.
 
BillD said:
Any Vasoforce news?? I’m feening
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I'll try to get something posted up tomorrow on it. The last couple product intro threads didn't get nearly the attention we hoped for; hopefully this one will do better. It will be in my opinion the strongest stim free pump product available.
 
sns8778 said:
I'll try to get something posted up tomorrow on it. The last couple product intro threads didn't get nearly the attention we hoped for; hopefully this one will do better. It will be in my opinion the strongest stim free pump product available.
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So what does the average user of Thermagize do? 1 capsule is 260 mg of caffeine and mayoclinic suggests up to 400 mg of caffeine per day as "safe." So do you suggest if I take 1 in the AM and energy starts to die down 6-8 hours later in the late afternoon, I can take a pre-workout / coffee? (<150 mg)?
 
TommyTuffGuy said:
Took my first cap of Thermagize this morning before cardio. Always fasted. It hit a lot sooner than some of you are saying. Probably within 10-15 mins for me.

I initially got that "holy chit, I'm getting jazzed up." feeling, then about 20-25 mins in I was teetering on the borderline of being "too stimmed" but it eased off at the gym.

Excellent energy. Tons of sweating. I took the cap at 6:20am and it's 9:00am and I'm still going strong, still energized. I will update later in the day on its effects.
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TommyTuffGuy said:
It's 12 noon now and I haven't crashed, and still feel "energized" you could say.
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TommyTuffGuy said:
4:25pm, no crash to report. Would absolutely crash on DMAA and other "exotic stim" fat burners by now in the past, usually by 3pm.
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Thank you so much for the updates. I'm really glad you're enjoying it. If you feel up to a review outside of this thread, it may help others see it that aren't following the thread; and reviews on retailer sites are always appreciated.

If you don't want to fool with it, totally understandable and I appreciate you posting it here and am so glad you're enjoying it.
 
ToDie4Test said:
So what does the average user of Thermagize do? 1 capsule is 260 mg of caffeine and mayoclinic suggests up to 400 mg of caffeine per day as "safe." So do you suggest if I take 1 in the AM and energy starts to die down 6-8 hours later in the late afternoon, I can take a pre-workout / coffee? (<150 mg)?
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There is a lot of feedback in this thread as to the way different people are using it.

A popular way that I like myself is using 1 capsule of Thermagize XT in the morning and then 1 scoop Focus XT in the afternoon (time dependent upon individuals needs and results).
 
ToDie4Test said:
So what does the average user of Thermagize do? 1 capsule is 260 mg of caffeine and mayoclinic suggests up to 400 mg of caffeine per day as "safe." So do you suggest if I take 1 in the AM and energy starts to die down 6-8 hours later in the late afternoon, I can take a pre-workout / coffee? (<150 mg)?
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I've been uncapping mine and combining it with an extra 100-125mg of caffeine from a
bcaa supplement that has caffeine and adding my pump ingredients to make my own
PW and it's worked well each time I've used it. I'll be posting my final thoughts on it this
weekend.:)
 
sns8778 said:
Thank you so much for the updates. I'm really glad you're enjoying it. If you feel up to a review outside of this thread, it may help others see it that aren't following the thread; and reviews on retailer sites are always appreciated.

If you don't want to fool with it, totally understandable and I appreciate you posting it here and am so glad you're enjoying it.
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I can do one soon. I'm only on day 2 of it.

Today it hit me HARDER for some reason and I was on the brink of being "too jazzed". But it clears out after about 10 mins.

Sweating is awesome on it, dripping.
 
sns8778 said:
Hopefully you mean in a good way haha.
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I was amazed how quick it kicks in. I normally use bloodshred and even though it’s a powdered form and I shotgun it, it doesn’t kick in anywhere close to thermagize.

It might be because I’m not used to Y but I felt like it was just a little too strong for me. It was a rough ride up, I felt over-stimmed at the gym and then crashed pretty quickly. I took it around 11.15 and felt like I needed a sleep around 2.

I’m going to give it another week before I review it properly
 
ToDie4Test said:
So what does the average user of Thermagize do? 1 capsule is 260 mg of caffeine and mayoclinic suggests up to 400 mg of caffeine per day as "safe." So do you suggest if I take 1 in the AM and energy starts to die down 6-8 hours later in the late afternoon, I can take a pre-workout / coffee? (<150 mg)?
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Far larger amounts of caffeine have been studied and found safe. A lethal dose would require around 100-150 cups of coffee, for example, and single doses of 600-800mg were used in studies on caffeine and performance. Now, Thermogize has other stims, like rauw, so it's stronger than 260mg might suggest, but regardless, caffeine/stim tolerance varies wildly by individual, and what works for 100 other people might not work for you. If you're healthy, and it doesn't make you feel like ****, it's well within safe levels to consume 150mg caffeine later.
 
poison said:
Far larger amounts of caffeine have been studied and found safe. A lethal dose would require around 100-150 cups of coffee, for example, and single doses of 600-800mg were used in studies on caffeine and performance. Now, Thermogize has other stims, like rauw, so it's stronger than 260mg might suggest, but regardless, caffeine/stim tolerance varies wildly by individual, and what works for 100 other people might not work for you. If you're healthy, and it doesn't make you feel like ****, it's well within safe levels to consume 150mg caffeine later.
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Thank you for the thoughtful response.
 
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After putting ThermagizeXT to the test as my pre-workout energy 4x this is my final
thoughts on SNS new thermogenic supplement which I of course used as a PW.;)

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I've used it twice ^^^^^ in this combo uncapped

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I've used it once it this combo also uncapped and once capped.

I personally don't use thermos for loosing weight but I do like what some deliver on
energy and focus that being said I use caffeine only on training days before my workouts
very early in the a.m. so I have no issue with long lasting energy cause I have a full day of
work after my workout and if I'm off from work then it's errands and other things to do all
day so again I LOVE long lasting energy.

On my first experience I dosed a cap with 1/2 scoop of IN-Kaged along with L-Citrulline
and I really didn't feel the effects until about 60min but once it kicked in the energy was
smooth for me. I did feel the warming effect from the Yohimbine but it didn't make me
feel uncomfortable at all and I can handle Y as long as it's not overdosed like some
companies do with their products. I've also used other pre's in my rotation that have Y in
them so my tolerance is pretty good right now for Y. Once the energy kicked in it LASTED
through my workout and beyond and what I liked about the energy was that once it
hit the energy level stayed consistent throughout my workout without doing a disappearing
act. :D After my workout the energy continued on and I could still feel the light warming
effect later in the day but I didn't feel uncomfortable or I didn't have any crazy sweating.

The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th time using it I uncapped it and I personally liked it better this way
because I felt the energy and intensity kick in much faster which was about 30min.
As I mentioned above the energy was consistent and intense throughout my workout
which is what I like when I'm weight training first thing in the a.m. on an empty stomach.
I didn't feel any of the negative sides that some do when using yohimbine but I could tell
it was in there as well as the other ingredients such as the Teacrine and slower hitting caffeine
which I feel keeps the energy very consistent but Dynamine could have played a part but I
honestly couldn't distinguish it in this formula cause this was my first experience with it.
I'm very experienced with Teacrine and time released caffeine so I could definitely feel the
effects of those ingredients which is a huge positive for this thermogenic.

The one thing I didn't feel from this formula was focus so this is why I personally like this
product for certain body part workouts such as chest/shoulders/arms and when I get a tub
of Focus XT I'll definitely stack a scoop with 1 uncapped dose of Thermagize to get that focus
that's missing for a heavy leg or back workout.

Overall- 8/10- Everyone feels stimulants differently and will have different effects on them
but if your looking for a thermogenic to help you tighten up after you've been following a
good and sound cut diet then Thermagize might be a good one to try but as I always mention
when I review something with yohimbine make sure it's an ingredient you can handle. I didn't
have any bad sides each time I used it but as I stated above I've been using other pre's with the
ingredient in there so I can handle what's in Thermagize. The warming effect could be a positive
for those doing fasted cardio. If your like me and want to feel the effects quicker then try
it uncapped mixed with what ever flavored bcaa's and for me the taste wasn't that bad at all just
a little a bitterness which was masked very well with whatever I mixed it with. The long lasting hit
of energy is a good thing for those on a low calorie diet where usually your energy levels are low
because of the restricted calories but with Thermagize-XT the energy is steady and consistent for
a good 6hrs. I wouldn't recommend taking this too late in the day if you plan on going to bed
early but if you dose at 5-6 a.m. and want a 2nd dose I would think about 12-1 noon should be
your 2nd dose so that by 10 p.m. you should be ready for bed but as I mentioned everyone feels
stimulants differently so try one cap for a few days and see how that works out.

I definitely look forward to using this with other products in the future for my PW energy and
once a gain a HUGE thanks to SNS for giving me the opp to try this product and give honest
feedback on the effects it had on me.
 
totalpackage said:
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After putting ThermagizeXT to the test as my pre-workout energy 4x this is my final
thoughts on SNS new thermogenic supplement which I of course used as a PW.;)

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I've used it twice ^^^^^ in this combo uncapped

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I've used it once it this combo also uncapped and once capped.

I personally don't use thermos for loosing weight but I do like what some deliver on
energy and focus that being said I use caffeine only on training days before my workouts
very early in the a.m. so I have no issue with long lasting energy cause I have a full day of
work after my workout and if I'm off from work then it's errands and other things to do all
day so again I LOVE long lasting energy.

On my first experience I dosed a cap with 1/2 scoop of IN-Kaged along with L-Citrulline
and I really didn't feel the effects until about 60min but once it kicked in the energy was
smooth for me. I did feel the warming effect from the Yohimbine but it didn't make me
feel uncomfortable at all and I can handle Y as long as it's not overdosed like some
companies do with their products. I've also used other pre's in my rotation that have Y in
them so my tolerance is pretty good right now for Y. Once the energy kicked in it LASTED
through my workout and beyond and what I liked about the energy was that once it
hit the energy level stayed consistent throughout my workout without doing a disappearing
act. :D After my workout the energy continued on and I could still feel the light warming
effect later in the day but I didn't feel uncomfortable or I didn't have any crazy sweating.

The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th time using it I uncapped it and I personally liked it better this way
because I felt the energy and intensity kick in much faster which was about 30min.
As I mentioned above the energy was consistent and intense throughout my workout
which is what I like when I'm weight training first thing in the a.m. on an empty stomach.
I didn't feel any of the negative sides that some do when using yohimbine but I could tell
it was in there as well as the other ingredients such as the Teacrine and slower hitting caffeine
which I feel keeps the energy very consistent but Dynamine could have played a part but I
honestly couldn't distinguish it in this formula cause this was my first experience with it.
I'm very experienced with Teacrine and time released caffeine so I could definitely feel the
effects of those ingredients which is a huge positive for this thermogenic.

The one thing I didn't feel from this formula was focus so this is why I personally like this
product for certain body part workouts such as chest/shoulders/arms and when I get a tub
of Focus XT I'll definitely stack a scoop with 1 uncapped dose of Thermagize to get that focus
that's missing for a heavy leg or back workout.

Overall- 8/10- Everyone feels stimulants differently and will have different effects on them
but if your looking for a thermogenic to help you tighten up after you've been following a
good and sound cut diet then Thermagize might be a good one to try but as I always mention
when I review something with yohimbine make sure it's an ingredient you can handle. I didn't
have any bad sides each time I used it but as I stated above I've been using other pre's with the
ingredient in there so I can handle what's in Thermagize. The warming effect could be a positive
for those doing fasted cardio. If your like me and want to feel the effects quicker then try
it uncapped mixed with what ever flavored bcaa's and for me the taste wasn't that bad at all just
a little a bitterness which was masked very well with whatever I mixed it with. The long lasting hit
of energy is a good thing for those on a low calorie diet where usually your energy levels are low
because of the restricted calories but with Thermagize-XT the energy is steady and consistent for
a good 6hrs. I wouldn't recommend taking this too late in the day if you plan on going to bed
early but if you dose at 5-6 a.m. and want a 2nd dose I would think about 12-1 noon should be
your 2nd dose so that by 10 p.m. you should be ready for bed but as I mentioned everyone feels
stimulants differently so try one cap for a few days and see how that works out.

I definitely look forward to using this with other products in the future for my PW energy and
once a gain a HUGE thanks to SNS for giving me the opp to try this product and give honest
feedback on the effects it had on me.
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Another awesome review. Thanks!
 
I’ve decided now this isn’t for me. I’ve tried it with food and it’s still ruining my day.

Rough ride up, too stimmed to train and then dumps me on my arse a couple of hours later.

Shame really as I like the look of the profile
 
faipdeooiad said:
I’ve decided now this isn’t for me. I’ve tried it with food and it’s still ruining my day.

Rough ride up, too stimmed to train and then dumps me on my arse a couple of hours later.

Shame really as I like the look of the profile
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I'm sorry to hear that. We knew that Thermagize XT was going to be too strong for some people. You are the first person I've ever seen say that they crashed from it though, especially after a couple hours because the energy for almost everyone lasts at least 4 to 6 hours.
 
sns8778 said:
I'm sorry to hear that. We knew that Thermagize XT was going to be too strong for some people. You are the first person I've ever seen say that they crashed from it though, especially after a couple hours because the energy for almost everyone lasts at least 4 to 6 hours.
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Yea, I really don’t know what it is, maybe it’s the Y. I get on famously with Bloodshr3d so I’m no stranger to strong stims but I just can’t get down with this.

Any UK brehs want the rest of the bottle and want to just cover postage, hit me up in the PM’s
 
thumbsup to @totalpackage for giving me the idea of uncapping thermagize and putting it in 1 scoop of focus xt and 2 scoops citrulline malate.... I absolutely love the effect I get as a preworkout, and the energy/mood/focus lasts well into my work day.
 
faipdeooiad said:
Yea, I really don’t know what it is, maybe it’s the Y. I get on famously with Bloodshr3d so I’m no stranger to strong stims but I just can’t get down with this.

Any UK brehs want the rest of the bottle and want to just cover postage, hit me up in the PM’s
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I'm not speaking specifically to you but clarifying for people reading -

There is no regular Y (Yohimbine) in this product. There seems to be this huge misconception that sensitivity to regular Y carries over to Rauwolscine/Alpha Yohimbine and that isn't the case. There are some people that are sensitive to Rauwolscine/Alpha Yohimbine but that's because they are sensitive to that, not because they are sensitive to regular Y. I think this misconception is because some brands try to pass off regular Y as Alpha Y because regular is so much cheaper. There have been examples of people in this thread or people I've sent samples of our Alpha Yohimbine product to that are sensitive to regular Y that loved it. Plus, keep in mind that Alpha Yohimbine is really strong so of course it may be too strong for some people.

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Thermagize XT is formulated to be the strongest single capsule fat burning energizer on the market and I think we accomplished our goal haha. Unfortunately, we did know going in that it would be too strong for some people. BUT I think in today's age of watered down stims that its a testament to the product that we are talking about something being too strong haha.

I am sorry that in your case it didn't work out for you though.
 
With the recent talk of uncapping Thermagize XT, are you guys saying that you may would like a powdered version? It's such a small dosage I'm not sure what it would taste like without adding some other higher dose ingredient to make it a little easier to flavor.
 
sns8778 said:
With the recent talk of uncapping Thermagize XT, are you guys saying that you may would like a powdered version? It's such a small dosage I'm not sure what it would taste like without adding some other higher dose ingredient to make it a little easier to flavor.
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Personally i prefer caps for something with this small of a dose for 2 reasons:
1) WAAAYYYYYY too easy to OD on with just a "hefty" scoop (which will guaranteed happen ASAP because, you know, dumb people who "never feel anything")
2) caps are just more convenient for something like this that only requires a single dose... pocket, backpack, etc. much easier to transport
 
booneman77 said:
Personally i prefer caps for something with this small of a dose for 2 reasons:
1) WAAAYYYYYY too easy to OD on with just a "hefty" scoop (which will guaranteed happen ASAP because, you know, dumb people who "never feel anything")
2) caps are just more convenient for something like this that only requires a single dose... pocket, backpack, etc. much easier to transport
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1) This will definitely happen.


Look at how many people used to use 3 scoops of OG jacked


Capsules just keep sns covered, because you just know, you release a powdered version and then topics start appearing on how 4 scoops of Therm xt gave me a heart attack or something
 
sns8778 said:
I'm not speaking specifically to you but clarifying for people reading -

There is no regular Y (Yohimbine) in this product. There seems to be this huge misconception that sensitivity to regular Y carries over to Rauwolscine/Alpha Yohimbine and that isn't the case. There are some people that are sensitive to Rauwolscine/Alpha Yohimbine but that's because they are sensitive to that, not because they are sensitive to regular Y. I think this misconception is because some brands try to pass off regular Y as Alpha Y because regular is so much cheaper. There have been examples of people in this thread or people I've sent samples of our Alpha Yohimbine product to that are sensitive to regular Y that loved it. Plus, keep in mind that Alpha Yohimbine is really strong so of course it may be too strong for some people.

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Thermagize XT is formulated to be the strongest single capsule fat burning energizer on the market and I think we accomplished our goal haha. Unfortunately, we did know going in that it would be too strong for some people. BUT I think in today's age of watered down stims that its a testament to the product that we are talking about something being too strong haha.

I am sorry that in your case it didn't work out for you though.
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I’m not having a pop at the product or anything else, my ‘maybe it’s the Y’ comment was more of a flippant comment rather than a misunderstanding of the ingredients. It still stands that I don’t get on with the product but it’s clearly getting a lot of love from others which is testament to it being a very strong but quality supplement and me just not being able to handle it like everyone else. I don’t get anything from Focus XT (or brainwash etc) but I know others love it, it’s obviously just me that can’t metabolise these products as they’re meant to be.
 
DEVANS89 said:
1) This will definitely happen.


Look at how many people used to use 3 scoops of OG jacked


Capsules just keep sns covered, because you just know, you release a powdered version and then topics start appearing on how 4 scoops of Therm xt gave me a heart attack or something
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And that’s why we can’t have nice things
 
ThermagizeXT is perfect the way it is in convenient caps I just uncapped it cause I'm using it
as my source of PW energy and I found that I like the effects of the energy to kick in faster
uncapped. Good thing about caps is that you don't have to keep it in the fridge or freezer
cause it won't get clumped up like powders do and the dosage of one cap I found to be
perfect to combine with an extra 75-125mg of extra caffeine that I'm getting from the energized
bcaa's that I combined.:)
 
totalpackage said:
ThermagizeXT is perfect the way it is in convenient caps I just uncapped it cause I'm using it
as my source of PW energy and I found that I like the effects of the energy to kick in faster
uncapped. Good thing about caps is that you don't have to keep it in the fridge or freezer
cause it won't get clumped up like powders do and the dosage of one cap I found to be
perfect to combine with an extra 75-125mg of extra caffeine that I'm getting from the energized
bcaa's that I combined.:)
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How about the taste ? Just uncapping it and throwing in preworkout ?
 
thebigt said:
thumbsup to @totalpackage for giving me the idea of uncapping thermagize and putting it in 1 scoop of focus xt and 2 scoops citrulline malate.... I absolutely love the effect I get as a preworkout, and the energy/mood/focus lasts well into my work day.
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Debating on trying this today, not too much?

Also can’t believe I haven’t mixed PL focus xt with lemon vasoblitz yet. Two of my fav flavored supps for sure
 
Raw Dog said:
Debating on trying this today, not too much?

Also can’t believe I haven’t mixed PL focus xt with lemon vasoblitz yet. Two of my fav flavored supps for sure
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I can't say how you will react, everyone has different tolerances-but a cap of thermagize in a scoop of focus xt is working great for me...oh yeah, don't forget the 2 scoops citrulline malate, makes it a complete preworkout.
 
thebigt said:
I can't say how you will react, everyone has different tolerances-but a cap of thermagize in a scoop of focus xt is working great for me...oh yeah, don't forget the 2 scoops citrulline malate, makes it a complete preworkout.
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Just got to the gym. We will see how it goes!

Assuming it was the uncapped thermagize, but this did not taste good together at all haha
 
Raw Dog said:
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Just got to the gym. We will see how it goes!

Assuming it was the uncapped thermagize, but this did not taste good together at all haha
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effects should definitely be worth it...let us know
 
thebigt said:
effects should definitely be worth it...let us know
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Damn mentally I felt fantastic. Definitely zoned out and got lost in my music a few times, focus was insane and energy levels were very high. Generally just felt really good, no real anxiety or anything either.

Physically however, my body just couldn’t handle it. Legs were shaky the entire time to the point where I started to feel a bit unsafe doing lower back hyperextensions. Was shaking like a mad man doing 22lb face pulls haha. That said at 150lbs I feel like I am definitely on the lighter side when it comes to members of this community.

I was pretty surprised by this though, I’ve taken thermagize with extra caffeine multiple times with no issue. I’ve also taken thermagize and fxt spaced only like 2 hours apart with no issue. At some point I will try this combo again without uncapping the thermagize.

That said mentally this was an incredible combo and something about it made music much more enjoyable than normal which was very interesting.
 
Raw Dog said:
Damn mentally I felt fantastic. Definitely zoned out and got lost in my music a few times, focus was insane and energy levels were very high. Generally just felt really good, no real anxiety or anything either.

Physically however, my body just couldn’t handle it. Legs were shaky the entire time to the point where I started to feel a bit unsafe doing lower back hyperextensions. Was shaking like a mad man doing 22lb face pulls haha. That said at 150lbs I feel like I am definitely on the lighter side when it comes to members of this community.

I was pretty surprised by this though, I’ve taken thermagize with extra caffeine multiple times with no issue. I’ve also taken thermagize and fxt spaced only like 2 hours apart with no issue. At some point I will try this combo again without uncapping the thermagize.

That said mentally this was an incredible combo and something about it made music much more enjoyable than normal which was very interesting.
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several of the ingredients are time released which is why it lasts so long...by uncapping it hits quicker and harder. maybe after you have used thermagize for awhile and body has adapted you might try uncapping again, until then I suggest you use it capped.

I agree on music sounding better, I love this effect.
 
sns8778 said:
With the recent talk of uncapping Thermagize XT, are you guys saying that you may would like a powdered version? It's such a small dosage I'm not sure what it would taste like without adding some other higher dose ingredient to make it a little easier to flavor.
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As a general rule, I am not a fan of powdered fat burner products. It’s convenient in the morning but then your screwed if you want to dose it later in the day when you are busy at work or running around all day. Seems that people aren’t complaining too much about the taste of uncapping this and putting it in other flavored products as it is. Oops, I just saw someone did.

I am still just looking forward to the possibility of a 3 dose per day capsule version alternative. 🙂
 
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I know everyone likes different things, but I am surprised to see quite a few people using this as a preworkout stimulant. Above anything else, this shines as a potent thermogenic for me....hence the name. I can definitely see it being dosed before a cardio session, but the effects of this product feel completely out of place as a preworkout energizer for me.
 
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