Maximillia's T3 and Clen Cutting experiment

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Welcome, AM members, to my T3 and Clen cutting experiment. Specifically, it's a low dose experiment to judge what can be achieved/happens at those dosages.

About me: 6'3, 203lbs, BF%- 18% ( A conservative guess)

What will I run? Starting today, I will be running:

T3 @ 25 Mcg/day for 4 Weeks
Clen @ 10, 20, 30 Mcg/Day for three weeks, respectively

Notes:

(1)If I can find Ketotifen before the three weeks are up, I might run the Clen for 4 weeks straight as well.
(2)Even If I don't find it, I might run it at 40 Mcg for the 4th week anyway, as per Greg Doucette's advice.
(3)Also, depending on the results, if muscle catabolism does not present itself, I might experiment with higher dosages of T3, to see when it does.

What's the goal?

(1)The Goal is to assess whether T3 causes Muscle catabolism at 25 Mcg/Day, and if so, how much.
(2)At the same time, also to assess the fat loss that can be achieved with low dose T3 and Clen,
(3)and the side effects at these dosages.

How will I measure progress?
(1) Through weekly bodyweight measures
(2) Through measurements with a measuring tape - Since T3 causes glycogen depletion, measurements on cycle may not be completely accurate. Therefore, the real results will probably be ascertained by comparing measurements pre- and post cycle.

How will I exercise?
3-4 Times a week, Resistance training with a focus on hypertrophy, Push, Pull, Shoulders and Legs

How many Calories will I eat?
According to Tdeecalculator, my caloric requirements are around 3,100 calories a day. I will be eating 2,200 calories a day, as I have been for the past 2 months. That's a caloric deficit of 900 calories a day. That's 6,300 Calories a week. A pound of fat is 3,500 calories, so I should be losing around 1.8 pounds through the caloric deficit alone, which has been the trend for the past 2 months, more or less, but lately it has not been that high. Nevertheless, anything more than 1.8 Lbs of weight loss a week will be attributed to the T3 and Clen.

What Will I eat?

A high protein, low carb, and moderate fat diet. I can't be arsed to write the complete diet plan, even though it's the same for each day of the week.

What will I supplement with?

Enough electrolytes, taurine ( 6 grams a day), 5-6L of Water a day, multivitamins and antioxidants and a whole bunch of other small stuff not worth enumerating here.


Tag Along for the ride if you are interested. I will update the log weekly, more often if I feel like it.
 
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I am in.
 
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Day 3 Mini-Update

My heart rate is up, can't say how much exactly, but it is up and uncomfortably so. Not fun. The temperature is up slightly, enough to know it is up, but not truly uncomfortable, yet. I have already suffered a bit of Diarrhea, and that's not very fun either. I have had 2 solid workouts. Sleeping is a bit hard now, but I am managing it fine so far with some melatonin. I can say, definitively ,that I do not like being on this combo.
I am actually looking forward to dropping the Clen in 2 weeks, if that is indeed the primary culprit in raising my heart rate. Let's see how it goes. So I guess I am not going to spend much effort in finding any ketotifen.
 
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You should check your heart rate definitively, as well as your BP, IMO - if you are having those sides.

What dose you on? Maybe cut down on the clen?
 
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I will check my heart rate. I am on very low dosages. 10 Mcg Clen and 25 Mcg T3. Could be the products are overdosed.

I used the tracker on an elliptical in my home to check my pulse. I don't know how accurate that is, but my resting pulse according to it is in the range of 70-80. It keeps changing within that range. What do you think?
I don't think this is a good place to be. I think I will finish a week, take a week off, and decide if I want to be back on it. It's probably the Clen causing the majority of the spike.
 
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70-80 bpm while no sitting and relaxing is not concerning IMO.
 
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I see, okay. Still, considering how I feel, I will take a week off after this first week and assess if I want to be back on it. I will have to see if the weight loss is worth it.
 
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How are things going?
 
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Week 1 Update : There was a delay in reporting because I have been rather busy ( and lazy)

My Weight is now 201 pounds. That's a loss of 2 pounds. 0.2 pounds more than 1.8 pounds, the weight I should have lost from the deficit alone. Now, these things are hardly perfect, so maybe the impact of the Clen + T3 was somewhere around 0.2 to 0.5 pounds.

I have stopped the Clen after 1 week, and the second week is going to be pure T3 @ 25 Mcg/day. To see what happens, and also because I was rather annoyed with my high resting heart rate. I feel very comfortable in saying that I will not use Clen with the sides I was experiencing if the maximum weight loss I am seeing hovers around 0.5 pounds a week. The only way I will use Clen again is if upping the dosage does not increase the resting heart rate even further. Then, it might make sense. The T3 alone isn't resulting in any noticeable resting heart rate increase. So I suppose it really was just the Clen. This can be confirmed If I do Clen alone. I might do that after the 4 weeks are over.

There's no noticeable decrease in body measurements. Either Clen has good muscle sparing properties, or the T3 doesn't catabolise any muscle at 25 Mcgs/day. And that's what I would expect.

I am thinking of upping the dosage to 50 Mcg/ day for weeks 3 and 4, but, with Ostarine. That would violate my experiment, but It would also be easier. I wouldn't have to worry about any catabolism and just get on with life and gym.
 
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Week 2 Update:

No change in weight. 25 Mcg/day of T3, and this will be continued in week 3 as well.
 
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I am here to update this post with what I found during this experiment. Like I said, I stopped the Clen after 1 week so I have nothing more to say about that. I continued to use the T3 @ 25 McG/day for a month, and then I stopped using it. The results were nothing to write home about. I didn't keep any records after the 2 weeks, but I didn't see any major changes in weight, in addition to the slow rate at which I was losing weight already.

My opinion is that T3 is probably worthless at 25 Mcg/Day, maybe only people with Thyroid problems should use it at that dosage. It is probably useful at 50 McG and above, but I wouldn't recommend anybody do that. Why? Because even at those dosages, it probably doesn't burn too many calories every day, but it will mess up your sleep cycle pretty bad. It will raise your body temperature and make it hard to sleep. Clen will do the same. So, these two should probably only be used by bodybuilders/anybody looking to achieve really low bodyfat percentages, like 6% or 5%. One should use them to progress when one is already at a very low bodyfat percentage, like 10% and below. It doesn't seem to be of much use if one isn't already at those levels.
 
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You seem to be quite sensitive to these compounds. I'm running 50mcg Cytomel without AAS . Feel slightly warm nothing intense, barely noticable actually. Can take it and go straight back to sleep, doesn't affect my sleep somehow.

25mcg feels insignificant to be honest. 50 seems to be the sweet spot for me. Looking a bit flat from the glycogen depletion but I dont feel like I've lost muscle either. Everyone responds differently ñ
 

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to be fair. 25 mcgs for T3 is a little low, the body usually makes about 30mcgs naturally per-day so 25 is actually a step back.
 

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