This is the first of 4 posts.
In this post and the next post, I'm going to reply to everyone else in the thread besides the OP.
In post 3, I'll be replying to the OP's posts.
In post 4, I'm going to elaborate more on some specific things in general.
Anabolic Effect AKA Vector 2.0, I’m assuming. It is a spicy meatball.
I know that you don't mean anything bad by the comparison at all, but I have and do ask that people not call Anabolic Effect Vector 2.0 because it's disrespectful to both Anabolic Effect and to Vector. And I do realize in the context of your post here, you were just identifying what the OP was talking about; I'm posting this as much to anyone else reading as to you.
Anabolic Effect and Vector have some ingredient overlap but are very, very different products.
Anabolic Effect Highlights:
- 7 High End Active Ingredients
- 4 Licensed Branded Ingredients
- Clinically Researched Key Ingredients
Yes, Vector and Anabolic Effect have Korean Mistletoe Extract but at different dosages (Anabolic Effect has 2,000 mg.). And yes, Anabolic Effect and Vector both have Eriobotrya Japonica and Rehmannaie Raddix; but Anabolic Effect also has 4 additional ingredients in it.
Sincerest form of flattery and whatnot.
The really bad thing is when they copy your **** from 15 years ago and don't actually know what they are doing and do it wrong but then claim it is the best.
For anyone reading, I want to clarify that Par is talking about other companies, not SNS/CEL. He is talking about other companies that have taken some of his past ideas.
If I wanted to be a trouble maker, I would ask him to elaborate haha. But I'm trying to keep my diet clean and I fear that I would need a big tub of popcorn if that were to happen haha.
If you do read through the whole thread it gives it a bit more context in terms of where the idea originated, I believe SNS/CEL on this one. Also these are not novel ingredients in vector and many of the studies are much older than that product. I believe it is healthy competition
Thank you. And absolutely, context is everything.
Anabolic Effect has 7 active ingredients and only 4 have been confirmed.
And you are absolutely correct, the studies on EJ and RR are older than the products in question. And for reference, these ingredients had been on raw material supplier lists since at least 2014 so no one actually 'found' them. They were already being offered; it was a matter of people researching them and seeing if they had merit. As stated in the Anabolic Effect thread, we had looked at them as early as 2014.
Nonsense, vector is fantastic. Anabolic effect isn’t original at all, but will I try it? Yes.
Actually, I think you will find Anabolic Effect to be very original when you see the rest of the ingredients for many reasons, a big one of which is that the 4 licensed branded ingredients have never been used in a formula together before; heck, I don't even think more than 2 of them have ever been used in a formula together before!
Yeah, I think in this case they explained themselves. It's an issue though in any business.
Thank you. I went out of my way to explain that the idea for the 2 ingredients had nothing to do with BLR. I think I offered a level of transparency and explanation far beyond what most companies would provide. And at first, I was vague when I mentioned why I actually did get the idea from because I didn't know if the person minded me mentioning them. Later, Synapsin came into the thread and said himself that me and him had discussed using Eriobotrya Japonica and Rehmannaie Raddix in a product as far back as 2014 and it made it as far as having a name and the quoting stage but then stalled out because of not being able to the proper standardizations at a reasonable price of other ingredients that were part of the formula at that time.
They even stated that they had a product similar to this years ago that they they went through with..
Don’t see the issue, OL also used Korean Mistletoe in a product but you haven’t mentioned that..
What next moaning that companies are using the same screw on lids..?!
It’s good to have variety, the product hasn’t been fully released yet, and it may contain ingredients that some prefer over vectors and vice versa
OL was the first company I ever saw publicly mention KME.
The crazy part of this thread to me is that a product with 7 ingredients is being compared to a product with 3; and the dosages of 1 of the 3 that overlap is completely different.
LMAO. So every pre workout that contains Citrulline or BA is copying now?
Is every product supposed to be 100% different from each other?
To answer your question, no it doesn’t bother me whatsoever. Supplement companies need the competition to stop them from getting lazy and to continue putting out innovative products.
Oh, and the dosage of the KME in Anabolic Effect is 2g compared to the 1g in Vector.
I think the average person wants a product that works; not just a product that uses new ingredients. Sure new ingredients create buzz and hype and excitement, but ever notice what happens when a company brings out a new ingredient and it doesn't live up to expectations? Many people feel ripped off and betrayed. CEL isn't there to treat customers wallets like an experiment; CEL is there to deliver hardcore products that work.
Who cares. It’s a compliment for BLR. Competition makes it better for the consumer in regards to price and innovation.
I ran Vector, it was a nice endurance booster, appetite stimulant, and had a very nice pump GDA effect. I will try the CEL product at some point and compare them.
I also doubt they are using identical extract or suppliers . One will likely be a little better or worse than the other. Buy them both, try them both... again this fuels the industry.
The intention wasn't to make it a compliment to BLR nor a slight against or competitor to BLR. I know that some SNS reps in the past used to have issues with BLR but I have no issue with them and wish them nothing but luck and the best. In the other thread when people started comparing the products, I respectfully asked that people stop because I didn't want BLR to feel like they were being attacked or put down in any way.
The idea for Anabolic Effect got started when people kept asking us to do a Korean Mistletoe product. The 4 branded ingredients got added first; the Eriobotrya and Rehmannaie got added last and were added as a result of going back through old formulation ideas and notes. Synapsin confirmed that we had discussed those ideas as far back as 2014 for anyone that didn't take my word for that.
This thread is a weird callout. I wasnt aware that companies couldn't utilise the same ingredients for similar goal orientated products. That's like saying any company that utilises caffeine, beta alanine and citrulline are all copying each other.
This product is much more than just the ingredients it shares. It might pay to wait to see what other ingredients it includes before calling it a clone
That's my thought as well - it's like pre-complaining without waiting to see the other ingredients. The formula is very unique and there is nothing else like it.
And the funny thing here is people talking about complaining about companies copying or using ingredients from others formulas. Hummm...... what about:
- Basically ever nootropic drink that took the major elements from the original Focus XT.
- Every company and their grandmother copied elements of Cycle Assist at one time.
- If I'm not mistaken, BLR made a transdermal formestane (CEL had one for years) (if I'm remembering wrong, please excuse me) - and I never once thought bad of them or cared that they did.
I don't think you can find one instance of me ever complaining or even mentioning any of that.