will epicatechin products add any muscle gains ? not endurance or fat lose... a honest answer ?
ARA products not for everybody i have chronic inflammation and ocd dieseaseA epi product by itself is iffy due to poor bioavailability. Get an ARA product, proven to aid in hypertrophy.
i will try sooner...Everyone reacts differently to these natural compounds so try it yourself and see.
i will try sooner...Everyone reacts differently to these natural compounds so try it yourself and see.
A epi product by itself is iffy due to poor bioavailability. Get an ARA product, proven to aid in hypertrophy.
thank you^ For myself epi is a shredder/cutter/aesthetic which is fine as I'm not into bulking agents. It doesn't build mass per-se on me and I don't hear a lot of the same from others but again everyone is different.
Agreed. Best bet is to try it out for yourself and see what type of results you get. Everyone will have a different experience and have their own opinion on any one given product. I'd say pick up a good epicatechin product and run it for 8 weeks.Everyone reacts differently to these natural compounds so try it yourself and see.
I have to be honest my man. I’ve seen a lot of your threads and it seems you are trying to look for something that gives great results with little to no side effects. I have to be honest with you, because I think you will be disappointed. The key to this is long term consistency. Eat properly, sleep properly and train properly. Keep progressing with everything. Over time your lifts should go up, you should be eating more food, sleeping more to recover, and your body comp should change to favor more muscle and less fat. These three things comprise 95+% of the entire process. Supplements can give you 1-5%, but even 5% can be wishful thinking. I would love to recommend you CNP Legendary, but I really have a feeling you are looking for something you won’t find and I don’t want to steer you wrong. Just keep training hard, eating enough food and sleep sleep sleep to grow.will epicatechin products add any muscle gains ? not endurance or fat lose... a honest answer ?
yes you right ... this is the way , and this it what i will do now on thank you very musch !I have to be honest my man. I’ve seen a lot of your threads and it seems you are trying to look for something that gives great results with little to no side effects. I have to be honest with you, because I think you will be disappointed. The key to this is long term consistency. Eat properly, sleep properly and train properly. Keep progressing with everything. Over time your lifts should go up, you should be eating more food, sleeping more to recover, and your body comp should change to favor more muscle and less fat. These three things comprise 95+% of the entire process. Supplements can give you 1-5%, but even 5% can be wishful thinking. I would love to recommend you CNP Legendary, but I really have a feeling you are looking for something you won’t find and I don’t want to steer you wrong. Just keep training hard, eating enough food and sleep sleep sleep to grow.
If you have any questions, pm me, I’m glad to help!
Great advice. Before experimenting with anything from herbals to full blown gear you have to be doing everything right. Only then will adding in natural anabolics/muscle builders will you progress at a slightly faster rate or if you nail a gear cycle even faster then beyond your natural potential. It still takes years. Everyone who plans their first cycle, or even there first few cycles think "this is the one, I'm 180lbs now and I'll do this cycle and be 210lbs and shredded cos I've read the reviews and epi/H-DROL/superdrol (whichever) adds 20 lbs in 4 to 6 weeks. A lot of people end up disappointed. Then you realise that in the cycle you maybe gain a few pounds of muscle that may have taken upwards of a year otherwise. Those few pounds don't show that well in the mirror but you pct, keep training, keep eating right and do a second cycle before the year is out and then you may have 8 to 10 pounds of muscle compared to twelve months ago and you realise it's a marathon not a sprint.I have to be honest my man. I’ve seen a lot of your threads and it seems you are trying to look for something that gives great results with little to no side effects. I have to be honest with you, because I think you will be disappointed. The key to this is long term consistency. Eat properly, sleep properly and train properly. Keep progressing with everything. Over time your lifts should go up, you should be eating more food, sleeping more to recover, and your body comp should change to favor more muscle and less fat. These three things comprise 95+% of the entire process. Supplements can give you 1-5%, but even 5% can be wishful thinking. I would love to recommend you CNP Legendary, but I really have a feeling you are looking for something you won’t find and I don’t want to steer you wrong. Just keep training hard, eating enough food and sleep sleep sleep to grow.
If you have any questions, pm me, I’m glad to help!
Very true. It's always best to try it for yourself and see how it treats you personally. It's worth the money and time to try and generate your own conclusion.not everyone gets hurt when hitting self with hammer - give it a shot yourself and see.
uhh no its not - it is extracted for specific proanthocyanidins which have chains of epicatechins in their structure.Vaso 6 is the actual bioavailable form of epicatechin.
If you could actually take enough epicatechin to make it work, you would simply get the same effect as some vaso6.
Buy vaso 6.
Epicatechin gallate (vaso 6) simply functions as a prodrug to epicatechin, the gallate is ripped off entirely leaving epicatechin in the bloodstream.uhh no its not - completely different compounds.
Okay, but vaso6 isn't extracted for Epicatechin gallateEpicatechin gallate (vaso 6) simply functions as a prodrug to epicatechin, the gallate is ripped off entirely leaving epicatechin in the bloodstream.
Vaso 6 is just epicatechin gallate. That’s the whole thing. That’s the chemical. It’s one thing.Okay, but vaso6 isn't extracted for Epicatechin gallate
Lmao okay Mr AM guru....Vaso 6 is just epicatechin gallate. That’s the whole thing. That’s the chemical. It’s one thing.
Just because I’m right doesn’t mean you need to insult me.Lmao okay Mr AM guru....
It’s a “gallate enhanced oligomer”
If it’s one oligomer, it’s not more than one catechin. It’s said to be specifically “epicatechins”
Couple that with the info I got from the proprietor of one supplement company who was told directly that vaso6 was epicatechin gallate and no other catechins were present in anything but trace amount.
Well i don't mean to insult you, but you clearly don't understand this topic very well.Just because I’m right doesn’t mean you need to insult me.
This. Epoch is still on sale at Apex-Alchemy at a GREAT price and has been improved. Code GRZB10 for 10% off.Go get a transdermal epicatechin product then if you wish to try. I believe that would be the best way to get it.
How many mg epi and laxo per serving?This. Epoch is still on sale at Apex-Alchemy at a GREAT price and has been improved. Code GRZB10 for 10% off.
What I think, is that what it is, and what you are told it is, are two different things. The words are used loosely enough.Well i don't mean to insult you, but you clearly don't understand this topic very well.
As I said before it is not simply Epicatechin Gallate, the extract only contains much larger Proanthocyanidins, which have epicatechin chains.
I was the first person to report on Vaso6 on here, I have a pretty good idea what is it. In fact we were involved (myself personally) in reviewing the patent data, working with the patent holder and bringing the product to market.
Here is a write up I did a while back:
Q&A FOR RE1GN - AnabolicMinds.com
What flavor should i get? Ordering now Nm ordered all of them lolanabolicminds.com
i trust you 100% thank you !No it will not add muscle gains. I am pretty sure there was a recent study showing it to be not effective. I have had only one epi product do anything remotely positive and it contained other ingredients.
thank you ... i will not buy is seems to be a fake supplement like others ... most of the good reviews are from company representants...I've been running Epiloge which is a epicatechin product for several months on end now, as in my experience it doesn't need to be cycled on and off. I've noticed strength gains but it's taken many months of being on to notice. It won't change your life but may give you that extra push you need.
Good luck brother.
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