Just a quick question. For those who have tried, what is the gains comparison of Testosterone and nandrolone?
is 100mg of T = 100mg of nandrolone?
is 100mg of T = 100mg of nandrolone?
Gotcha. Thats what i would do. For comparisons sake, in terms of gains, what would be the comparison? Would 500mg of test = like 200mg deca?Test is the weakest of all the roids. Set aside the anabolic/androgenic ratio, tbol would be weaker -but isn't.
Meaning: Do low dose test and let other compounds do the work.
You want to say that test is weaker than primo and masteron when it comes to adding tissue?Test is the weakest of all the roids. Set aside the anabolic/androgenic ratio, tbol would be weaker -but isn't.
Meaning: Do low dose test and let other compounds do the work.
You want to say that test is weaker than primo and masteron when it comes to adding tissue?
edit: Not trying to be rude, just interested. I can understand that 19-nor is superior, but to say that test is the weakest of all seems a bit too stretched.
Just a quick question. For those who have tried, what is the gains comparison of Testosterone and nandrolone?
is 100mg of T = 100mg of nandrolone?
Deca is the classic “Need to take these three other drugs just to take this one drug” type of steroid. Never been a fan myself either.I would run something more along the lines of test and EQ or test and primo. will not **** with deca anymore my self and way to many ppl I have to talked to get ED issues with deca. In my opinion better to run compounds that will help up the sex drive and have you acting like a beast inside and out side the gym.
Well, generally there won’t be any portion of the trt replaced by Deca, meaning if your optimal levels are x amount of test, that’s your base, then they’ll add up to 100mg Deca a week on top. So no reason to versus with testosterone.
Let’s say they have you on 200mg a week. They then add 50mg Deca a week.
Now you’re not taking 50mg less test, you’re only adding the Deca.
Your feedback would be so great to have, and we would all appreciate that to say the least.Right, im curious how anabolic i would be with 200mg test and say 60 - 100 mg deca. How much muscle i might gain. And to get an idea, im using the only standard i have which is testosterone.
So my thinking goes something like this-- If im on 200mg test plus 60mg deca it might equal 320mg of test in terms of muscle gain. Is that right?
Somebody raised a good point that theres a minimum effective dose. Im not an expert. I did read a study that showed low doses of deca (60mg i believe) still increased nitrogen retention. So what im saying is-- i think 60mg of deca would provide small amount of gains in an anabolic nieve individual.
Ive never been a heavy steroid user, ive used the andros and methylstenbolone. And i havnt ran them for years (with one exception). so i would think it would help with some gain in a small way.
on a side note I am taking deca with my trt and i could post updates if you are interested. im about 5 or 6 weeks in.
Right, im curious how anabolic i would be with 200mg test and say 60 - 100 mg deca. How much muscle i might gain. And to get an idea, im using the only standard i have which is testosterone.
So my thinking goes something like this-- If im on 200mg test plus 60mg deca it might equal 320mg of test in terms of muscle gain. Is that right?
Somebody raised a good point that theres a minimum effective dose. Im not an expert. I did read a study that showed low doses of deca (60mg i believe) still increased nitrogen retention. So what im saying is-- i think 60mg of deca would provide small amount of gains in an anabolic nieve individual.
Ive never been a heavy steroid user, ive used the andros and methylstenbolone. And i havnt ran them for years (with one exception). so i would think it would help with some gain in a small way.
on a side note I am taking deca with my trt and i could post updates if you are interested. im about 5 or 6 weeks in.
Well, medically, it’s only going to be up to 100mg. It’s going to do a lot for what maybe a retired pro bodybuilder could maintain of their former size without all the hassle of blasting and cruising. For a mere mortal, trying to get big, yeah not sure.I Dont know what this deca dick is about, personally it's reversed if anything. People seem to be taking deca too high, not using caber etc.
200 test 200 deca would be the lowest I'd even consider worth running deca.
Well, medically, it’s only going to be up to 100mg. It’s going to do a lot for what maybe a retired pro bodybuilder could maintain of their former size without all the hassle of blasting and cruising. For a mere mortal, trying to get big, yeah not sure.
I’m definitely with Chados on this. I don’t love Deca but I do feel it’s a great bulker to add some size long term, especially if on TRT Adequate test dose and prolactin antagonist on board and I have never seen any real issues.I Dont know what this deca dick is about, personally it's reversed if anything. People seem to be taking deca too high, not using caber etc.
200 test 200 deca would be the lowest I'd even consider worth running deca.
Ha you and me both. I want the Long Island iced tea equivalent HRT cocktail when it’s time to go down that road.When I go on HRT I’m going for the whole package through a concierge service man... I’ll take the Deca, the anavar, the glutathione and methyl b12 injections, the GH... everything I can afford.
I’d take it in a heartbeat and add 400 more ugl Deca to it my friend. For sureSo, you guys are literally saying if the doc you get your HRT from offered you 100mg of deca a week you would pass on it?
I’m still just too damn cheap to go to the places that will give you all the goods. I found one that will work with you on a lot and I’m certain they are just a really really squeaky clean, insurance-accepting drug dealer. Only problem is they are after the money, so while they could prescribe me the test, let me self administer at home and pay $12 for my test at the pharmacy... they actually want you to come in, pay your copay, let them inject you all for $125 a week. These are the clinics you get Deca from. But you’re going to pay for it.Ha you and me both. I want the Long Island iced tea equivalent HRT cocktail when it’s time to go down that road.
Can’t fault you. $125 a week is no joke.I’m still just too damn cheap to go to the places that will give you all the goods. I found one that will work with you on a lot and I’m certain they are just a really really squeaky clean, insurance-accepting drug dealer. Only problem is they are after the money, so while they could prescribe me the test, let me self administer at home and pay $12 for my test at the pharmacy... they actually want you to come in, pay your copay, let them inject you all for $125 a week. These are the clinics you get Deca from. But you’re going to pay for it.
I can’t do it for one reason: I refuse to pay $125 for $3 worth of testosterone.
**** that. I’ll just use UGL’s until I’m filthy rich and then I’ll think about it, but I’ll probably still be too cheap then.
Well, Titan certainly won’t make you come to them for injections but they make you buy the drugs direct from them. They’re a full concierge service meaning they handle prescription writing and pharmaceutical compounding altogether. They make you buy quite a bit at once and it is a bit pricey.I’m still just too damn cheap to go to the places that will give you all the goods. I found one that will work with you on a lot and I’m certain they are just a really really squeaky clean, insurance-accepting drug dealer. Only problem is they are after the money, so while they could prescribe me the test, let me self administer at home and pay $12 for my test at the pharmacy... they actually want you to come in, pay your copay, let them inject you all for $125 a week. These are the clinics you get Deca from. But you’re going to pay for it.
I can’t do it for one reason: I refuse to pay $125 for $3 worth of testosterone.
**** that. I’ll just use UGL’s until I’m filthy rich and then I’ll think about it, but I’ll probably still be too cheap then.
Ya. I found the best way to it, and like an idiot I went off it.I pay 35 dollars a week for trt. And that still hurts
That’s crap...I was at 305 total test 3 years ago. Range is 290-1100. Doc wouldn’t prescribe me and insurance wouldn’t pay because I wasn’t “low” I got pissed off and went to anti aging clinic and have been paying ever sense.
Seriously. I need to get some proviron and just run alongside every cycle. The stuff is magic.Personally, no more deca dick -nor prolactin sides since adding Proviron at 75mg/d - 100mg/d. I lactated in the past from 19-nors. Proviron takes care of it.
I’m actually planning the same. Three packs of 100 every six months is all it takes for year round use. I weighed the pros and cons and it seems like it’s worth it for me to just be on that. I’ll go 50 on cycle and 25 when off. It should add a nice edge without fucking up my pct.Seriously. I need to get some proviron and just run alongside every cycle. The stuff is magic.
Deca never yielded "awesome gains" for me. Not Deca -nor NPP. We are all different. I got the best bang from stuff like anavar, winstrol, trest (not using again) and s-drol/DMZ -always with moderate/low test as a base.Gotcha. Thats what i would do. For comparisons sake, in terms of gains, what would be the comparison? Would 500mg of test = like 200mg deca?
Why the Cialis? realize the answer is probably obvious.... I just missed itDeca never yielded "awesome gains" for me. Not Deca -nor NPP. We are all different. I got the best bang from stuff like anavar, winstrol, trest (not using again) and s-drol/DMZ -always with moderate/low test as a base.
For me personally I figured:
-19-nors only with DHT (Proviron), but will never use 19-nors again (better options available)
-insulin pre-workout with intra carbs are most anabolic/effective (do some reading before, if you value your life)
-PDE-5 inhibitors are a MUST (I prefer cialis, 5mg e3d)
-most DHT derived roids > than others.
I second thisWhy the Cialis? realize the answer is probably obvious.... I just missed it
I know some take it for blood pressure.Why the Cialis? realize the answer is probably obvious.... I just missed it
Here a nice summary:Why the Cialis? realize the answer is probably obvious.... I just missed it
Tadalafil is right now being studied for muscle hypertrophy. Study started 2018. I already guessed the outcome .There’s a couple studies stating test groups didn’t gain more muscle or some nonsense.
However, cialis and viagra have just a slightly different action than nitric oxide supplements and anyone that’s tried it for gym sessions can tell you it’s like a weaker IGF-1 type pump.
I take it anyways just to be the best I can for the lady, but the pumps in the gym are clearly better.
On paper Deca and NPP are crap. But it seems like if you can drop your test to a high TRT dose and really get aggressive dose, you can put on decent size.
The next 3 months are the last time I’m using NPP and Deca. I just want to give them both a chance to see how far I can push it. And if I don’t see what I’m wanting to see, I’m sticking with Trest and going to start using other compounds not as common, dhb, EQ, primo, etc etc.
I’ve gained a decent amount just nothing in comparison to Trest or ANY decent oral. I may cruise for joints possibly
Weird i was under the impression NPP and deca was the creme da la creme after a few others. Maybe its just you?There’s a couple studies stating test groups didn’t gain more muscle or some nonsense.
However, cialis and viagra have just a slightly different action than nitric oxide supplements and anyone that’s tried it for gym sessions can tell you it’s like a weaker IGF-1 type pump.
I take it anyways just to be the best I can for the lady, but the pumps in the gym are clearly better.
On paper Deca and NPP are crap. But it seems like if you can drop your test to a high TRT dose and really get aggressive dose, you can put on decent size.
The next 3 months are the last time I’m using NPP and Deca. I just want to give them both a chance to see how far I can push it. And if I don’t see what I’m wanting to see, I’m sticking with Trest and going to start using other compounds not as common, dhb, EQ, primo, etc etc.
I’ve gained a decent amount just nothing in comparison to Trest or ANY decent oral. I may cruise for joints possibly
NPP is crap?! Now you tell me...There’s a couple studies stating test groups didn’t gain more muscle or some nonsense.
However, cialis and viagra have just a slightly different action than nitric oxide supplements and anyone that’s tried it for gym sessions can tell you it’s like a weaker IGF-1 type pump.
I take it anyways just to be the best I can for the lady, but the pumps in the gym are clearly better.
On paper Deca and NPP are crap. But it seems like if you can drop your test to a high TRT dose and really get aggressive dose, you can put on decent size.
The next 3 months are the last time I’m using NPP and Deca. I just want to give them both a chance to see how far I can push it. And if I don’t see what I’m wanting to see, I’m sticking with Trest and going to start using other compounds not as common, dhb, EQ, primo, etc etc.
I’ve gained a decent amount just nothing in comparison to Trest or ANY decent oral. I may cruise for joints possibly
Super cool!Here a nice summary:
I don't agree to take it daily (video), as it has a long HL. E3d is what I do.
I mainly take it for better blood flow due to vasodilation = better nutrient delivery to muscles. The combo of : slin+cialis+glycerol+salt (electrolytes)+carbs intra workout is a HUGE game changer, mark my words.
Keep in mind it elevates cortisol a bit. Since most of us already take fish oil and B-vitamins, that should be a no-brainer.
NPP is crap?! Now you tell me...
Well, for some its crap. For me:Weird i was under the impression NPP and deca was the creme da la creme after a few others. Maybe its just you?
Yep -and because caber/proviron is expensive. It really doesn't aromatize much -or not by aromatizing enzymes, hence AI isn't working with trest as it would with test....long story -and different for everyone.Super cool!
Are you not taking trest again because it aromatizes so much?
On paper.NPP is crap?! Now you tell me...
I can bulk on anything -but as soon as its a wet compound, sides vs outcome are not aligned well enough for me. Loved trest in the past -but since rediscovering slin, I'll go with something dry and insulin.On paper.
It’s been used forever for bulking quite well.
Sometimes All the pedigree info on a drug don’t matter if it does what you need it to.
They work for bulking, just not as drastic as a lot of us would have thought. Water is a good thing. I keep more size with a drug that puts water on me.
Problem is I discovered Trestolone.
Which shits on NPP(previously my favorite bulker)
It works quite well.I can bulk on anything -but as soon as its a wet compound, sides vs outcome are not aligned well enough for me. Loved trest in the past -but since rediscovering slin, I'll go with something dry and insulin.