First Cycle Test E/Tbol

Dr62

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I will be running my first cycle in 2 weeks. Any tips would be appreciated with it. First of a little bit about me, I have been lifting naturally since I was about 14 more serious lifting when I got to 17-20.
Age- 21
Height- 5’11
Body weight- 184lb
Body fat %- ~10%
Squat- 495lb x 1
Bench- 315lb x 5
Deadlift- 615lb x 1

I have always based my training around the big three with a few accessories, I follow a PPLPPLR routine where the first three PPL days I focus on SBD power with low reps and higher percentages with few accessories and the next three PPL I do hypertrophy training with higher sets and reps. I will be following this same routine during my cycle.

Diet is not an issue since I am at a place where I am forced to follow a schedule where I always eat three big meals a day, and I have plenty of bulking snacks I will be abusing throughout the day. I have been starting to get a spoonful of peanut butter then dip it in a container of nuts, and I will be drinking hella chocolate milk as well. Targeting hopefully ~4K calories during this cycle.

Week 1-12 Testosterone Enanth 300mg/week

Week 1-12 Arimidex starting .25mg/EOD, will adjust if needed but not expecting it to since I’m on a fairly low dose of test, I believe less = more.

Week 1-4 Turinabol (Tbol) 25mg/ED, might go 25/25/50/50 if it does me well

Week 6-12 Proviron 25mg/ED
I am running the Proviron simply because I like the benefits it can bring.

Week 14-18 Clomid 25/25/25/25

Week 14-18 Adex .5mg/week
I am unsure about this one, as I have read many things about this done recommending it some saying it is stupid to run an AI during PCT. My concern and reasoning for this would be to control any aromatising estrogen I have while I recover back to normal test production as I will not be running nolva, from what I saw and read clomid is just a superior compound during PCT and many people don’t recommend them being ran together. I am scared of estrogen rebound after PCT, I hope I can avoid it with my lay out.

I am looking for advice on it if there is anything I should add or anything I should adjust. Any and all advice is welcome, thank you everyone who replies to this.

I will log this cycle with pictures and progress if enough people are interested
 
Good numbers for the main 3.

Sure, you could optimize, tweak this a bit.

1. Up the test:
1 - 4: 300mg
4 - 8: 400mg
8 - 12: 500mg

Reason: test is not very anabolic. I would start with 400 amd end with 600 though.

Then do this:
1 - 10: Test e/c
10 - 12: Test prop
Start PCT a couple of days after last pin. 2 - 4 days later.

2. Switch clomid for tamoxifen or toremifen. Much less sides. Seriusly, forget about clomid.

Tamox: 40/40/20/20/10

3: Up the dose of tbol and do it for 6 weeks. 4 weeks is to short. Tbol is not that strong. 4 weeks is for stronger orals: Superdrol, anadrol, etc.

4. Good idea on the proviron but also up the dose. Start with 25 end with 75. Keep it at hand during pct. It will help a lot with feeling better and will help with any rebound gyno. Add it at 50mg at the start of week 3 pct. Proviron is not suppressive btw at such small dosages.

5. In pct or at least at the last two weeks of it, switch to aromasin. This will help with rebound estrogen. Keep the aromasin after pct for a week or two at a small dose ie. 12.5mg e3d...

6. Add HCG durring the cycle and during the first two weeks of pct. 250IU every 36h.

Good luck with your cycle. I'm sure it will be great.
 
Jinsun said:
Good numbers for the main 3.

Sure, you could optimize, tweak this a bit.

1. Up the test:
1 - 4: 300mg
4 - 8: 400mg
8 - 12: 500mg

Reason: test is not very anabolic. I would start with 400 amd end with 600 though.

Then do this:
1 - 10: Test e/c
10 - 12: Test prop
Start PCT a couple of days after last pin. 2 - 4 days later.

2. Switch clomid for tamoxifen or toremifen. Much less sides. Seriusly, forget about clomid.

Tamox: 40/40/20/20/10

3: Up the dose of tbol and do it for 6 weeks. 4 weeks is to short. Tbol is not that strong. 4 weeks is for stronger orals: Superdrol, anadrol, etc.

4. Good idea on the proviron but also up the dose. Start with 25 end with 75. Keep it at hand during pct. It will help a lot with feeling better and will help with any rebound gyno. Add it at 50mg at the start of week 3 pct. Proviron is not suppressive btw at such small dosages.

5. In pct or at least at the last two weeks of it, switch to aromasin. This will help with rebound estrogen. Keep the aromasin after pct for a week or two at a small dose ie. 12.5mg e3d...

6. Add HCG durring the cycle and during the first two weeks of pct. 250IU every 36h.

Good luck with your cycle. I'm sure it will be great.
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Thank you for this
 
Up the TBOL to 50 and run for 6 weeks.
 
Dr62 said:
Do you think I’ll be fine starting right away at 50? Instead of building up from 25 maybe for a week or two?
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My experience is yes you will be fine with 50 from the get go. No need to taper up or down with tbol.
 
Codybenz said:
My experience is yes you will be fine with 50 from the get go. No need to taper up or down with tbol.
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Okay thank you. Also what is your experience with clomid? Is it really that bad? Should I have gone with Nolva instead?
 
Dr62 said:
Okay thank you. Also what is your experience with clomid? Is it really that bad? Should I have gone with Nolva instead?
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I usually use them both, but I’ve never had the sides issues with clomid dosing at 50mg. What I’ve seen suggests you don’t need to worry about that unless you dose it higher.
 
Dang 184 and benching 315 x 5?? In fact all of your lifts are really impressive for no previously gear history
 
Davy25 said:
Dang 184 and benching 315 x 5?? In fact all of your lifts are really impressive for no previously gear history
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Thank you, I appreciate that! But yes like I said I have been training based around powerlifting routines ever since I was young. I first benched 225 at 15 years old and 315 at 17 years old. It’s been very very slow progress from then. I have all my lifts on video too if anyone would like to see!
 
Dr62 said:
Thank you, I appreciate that! But yes like I said I have been training based around powerlifting routines ever since I was young. I first benched 225 at 15 years old and 315 at 17 years old. It’s been very very slow progress from then. I have all my lifts on video too if anyone would like to see!
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Them genes gains brah
Jelly af
 
Clomid has the most sides from all the serms. For some it's not bad at lower dosages but for most it sucks. Especially at 100mg for the first two weeks that is most commonly recommended. You know I would dare to presume that a big factor of why people suffer and hate pct so much is bc of clomid.

Take nolva/torem and proviron and your pct will be great feeling wise (as much as it can be hehe).
 
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