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5-10mg of IM treat ace all that is needed?

RickyBlobby said:
Bump. interested to see what 70-100 of trest EW would do. Definitely gonna run this before long. With maybe 5-700mg primo and 1-200 mast
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Im nigh on convinced trestolone (plus mast) would be the creme de la creme of TRT/cruises. The only thing giving me reservation is its impact on lipids, vs testosterone.

Like,

100mg trestE + 100-200mg mastE

vs

200mg test

Id assume the trestolone (+ mast) would impact the lipids worse, but how much. Itd also be a bigger hit to the wallet. But damn if I dont feel so much better on trestolone (libido, mood, gainz, body composition, etc).
 
Nac said:
Im nigh on convinced trestolone (plus mast) would be the creme de la creme of TRT/cruises. The only thing giving me reservation is its impact on lipids, vs testosterone.

Like,

100mg trestE + 100-200mg mastE

vs

200mg test

Id assume the trestolone (+ mast) would impact the lipids worse, but how much. Itd also be a bigger hit to the wallet. But damn if I dont feel so much better on trestolone (libido, mood, gainz, body composition, etc).
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Yeah I'm pretty sure 100mg trest would blow 200mg test out of the water. And yes, add about 200 mast and you should have one hell of a cruise. Probably wouldn't need much AI either with the mast in there

But you are right lipids would probably take a bigger hit. Someone needs to try this to find out for sure lol
 
Mike Arnold said:
I have said. I said both the trest ace and SR will be in an oil-base, ready for research. If you can't perform research, what's the point? :)

The trest ace will probably be gone in a heart beat, as there are only 200 bottles. I wasn's ure how much interest it would generate on a 1st run, so I purchased a moderate amount. I think I vastly under-estimated, based on the number of emails I've received and the responses that have been posted over the last month.

The SR will probably stay in stock longer because I will have like 400 bottles, but even that will probably go pretty quickly, as there has been a lot of interest there as well.
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Did this already come and go?
 
Renew1 said:
I guy I know just had to have several hernias repaired (ouch!!)
Make sure you give more that proper healing time, brother. No need for a redo.
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Yeah, great advice, went for my follow up and found another one! Another surgery and more time on the shelf! Guess I’ll just do some more reading and stock pile products.
 
Current cycle idea: 20 weeks

100mg trest C a week
200mg mast E a week
500mg DHB/ week
10mg SD first 4 weeks
50mg anavar last 6 weeks
Fat burner that shall not be named 200mg (low dose) 4 weeks on/ 4 weeks off possibly bumping up to 400mg after 2 weeks

Torem throughout as a first line of defense against gyno (well that and mast)
Aromasin as needed for gyno

Goal is to (lean) bulk first 8-10 weeks, cut last 10-12 weeks. Using carb cycling and intermittent fasting to aid in fat reduction.

Right now I'm 6'0 215lbs probably about 18%BF. If I could end the cycle at 215 10-11% that would be ideal.



How does this sound... What would you change/ add
 
This looks killer. I really really like the idea of those 3 with high DHB. This sounds like a super recomp(massive muscle gains with massive fat loss), especially with the nameless fat burner!
 
Im real eager to bump up my trest dose to 200+ for further gains but im feeling so damn good mentally and physically from giving myself a break from heavy lifting by doing german volume training the past 2 weeks. I know if i bump dose up im gonna push myself hard af and i really need this lower weight period as i feel ive overtrained a couple months prior. This has been more like a super cruise for me
 
Steeleydan said:
Im real eager to bump up my trest dose to 200+ for further gains but im feeling so damn good mentally and physically from giving myself a break from heavy lifting by doing german volume training the past 2 weeks. I know if i bump dose up im gonna push myself hard af and i really need this lower weight period as i feel ive overtrained a couple months prior. This has been more like a super cruise for me
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What is your current cycle again?
 
Only doing 100mg test and 125mg trest D a week. Almost 5 weeks in and up about 7-8 pounds. Might throw an oral in there if i feel like it lol

Will prob do this for 12-16 weeks then just trt test for a while.
 
The unnameable should probably either have a longer time on or off. Probably off, remember it’s half life is extremely long, three weeks or something. At four weeks it’s only built up in your system fully for a week, and then after four weeks off you’ve only been fully off for a week if even. Probably still some nitro in the system.

So I’d be thinking 6 weeks off.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Current cycle idea: 20 weeks

100mg trest C a week
200mg mast E a week
500mg DHB/ week
10mg SD first 4 weeks
50mg anavar last 6 weeks
Fat burner that shall not be named 200mg (low dose) 4 weeks on/ 4 weeks off possibly bumping up to 400mg after 2 weeks

Torem throughout as a first line of defense against gyno (well that and mast)
Aromasin as needed for gyno

Goal is to (lean) bulk first 8-10 weeks, cut last 10-12 weeks. Using carb cycling and intermittent fasting to aid in fat reduction.

Right now I'm 6'0 215lbs probably about 18%BF. If I could end the cycle at 215 10-11% that would be ideal.



How does this sound... What would you change/ add
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If it’s 200mg/ml dhb I’d just go with 600mg. Cut it to an even 3ml a week.

The rest looks spot on, though I’d be nervous running that much nitro.
 
Steeleydan said:
Only doing 100mg test and 125mg trest D a week. Almost 5 weeks in and up about 7-8 pounds. Might throw an oral in there if i feel like it lol

Will prob do this for 12-16 weeks then just trt test for a while.
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You should throw in some OL Superdrol hehe. Curious to know how legit it is
 
Old Witch said:
If it’s 200mg/ml dhb I’d just go with 600mg. Cut it to an even 3ml a week.

The rest looks spot on, though I’d be nervous running that much nitro.
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RIght on. Yeah it's basically 1 more vial to do 600mg a week vs 500. Not bad. And I've been doing a lot of research on agent D and 200mg really isn't a high dose. Did you know they used to prescribe it for weight loss? ANd include it in OTC supplements with no warning about the dangers of overdosing? The study I looked at (from the mid 1930's) revealed that over 100,000 people were treated and there were only 3 confirmed related deaths. One was a guy who took 5 GRAMS at one time, another was a young lady who took 800mg at once and the last death...... they couldn't conclusively attribute to the substance.

The average dose was 300mg/ day and the average duration was 19 weeks. I can PM you the pubmed study if you would like.
 
RickyBlobby said:
RIght on. Yeah it's basically 1 more vial to do 600mg a week vs 500. Not bad. And I've been doing a lot of research on agent D and 200mg really isn't a high dose. Did you know they used to prescribe it for weight loss? ANd include it in OTC supplements with no warning about the dangers of overdosing? The study I looked at (from the mid 1930's) revealed that over 100,000 people were treated and there were only 3 confirmed related deaths. One was a guy who took 5 GRAMS at one time, another was a young lady who took 800mg at once and the last death...... they couldn't conclusively attribute to the substance.

The average dose was 300mg/ day and the average duration was 19 weeks. I can PM you the pubmed study if you would like.
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It’s all good. I meant nervous about the 400mg dosing, 200mg sounds about right for a guy around 250. And yeah, back in the day (before my day) all the best fat burners had it in there. No warnings, nothing.
 
LaserGoPewPew said:
are you going to try this?
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Probably not ace. But cyp. 2 injects a week totaling 100mg. Basically the 20 week cycle plan I laid out above. Thinking about adding some HGH too depending on how much BS I can feed my wife lol
 
Think I'm going to give this a go (Trest Ace) in combination with a low-dose of test cyp.

100mg Test Cyp per week, divided into 3 injects (M/W/F).
10mg Trest Ace, daily - subq?

Have never left oil in an insulin syringe for any sort of extended period of time, so want to run this bv:
Planning on pulling 70mg Trest Ace into an insulin syringe (.7), and injecting subq with a 29g daily at .1, the 10mg.

Other thought is to inject EOD, with the test, IM. I have not tried subq with my test yet.

Safe in there?
Have been enjoying Masteron at equal part test, which I have been enjoying. Discontinue or combine in full?
 
Well, giving it a go. First injection today.

EOD, Intramuscular (I still have yet to try subq):

Weekly Totals...
50mg Trest Acetate
130mg Test Cyp
140mg Masteron

75m Proviron (daily)
.25 Exemestane (daily)

It's amazing how the first shot, dose, etc, gives you a rush. Placebo effect or not, it always makes you smile when you get that effect. Although Trest does seem to affect users far faster than others, likely still placebo.

I am on TRT (base is 175mg Test Cyp), and testing the effects of this combination. Have used Trest TD and oral in the past, and I am sensitive to it's methyl-estrogen effects. Purpose behind is to gauge the effect of the quality of the TRT - no interest in changing bodyweight, purely quality of life in and outside of the gym. For years I've been hovering around my sweet spot (for my performance goals) 194-196, consistently hovering at 9% BF. We'll see how it goes...
 
Sounds like you got a nice feel-good run ahead of you. Im sure you will gain on this. Im doing something similar with 125mg trest D with trt and it really feels a lot like 500mg test per week. They are similar obviously but still different compounds, but if i was forced to make a direct comparison to test, that would be it.
 
Highlanda01602 said:
Well, giving it a go. First injection today.

EOD, Intramuscular (I still have yet to try subq):

Weekly Totals...
50mg Trest Acetate
130mg Test Cyp
140mg Masteron

75m Proviron (daily)
.25 Exemestane (daily)

It's amazing how the first shot, dose, etc, gives you a rush. Placebo effect or not, it always makes you smile when you get that effect. Although Trest does seem to affect users far faster than others, likely still placebo.

I am on TRT (base is 175mg Test Cyp), and testing the effects of this combination. Have used Trest TD and oral in the past, and I am sensitive to it's methyl-estrogen effects. Purpose behind is to gauge the effect of the quality of the TRT - no interest in changing bodyweight, purely quality of life in and outside of the gym. For years I've been hovering around my sweet spot (for my performance goals) 194-196, consistently hovering at 9% BF. We'll see how it goes...
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If fast acting steroids are just placebo... yeah I’m not even sure how to formulate a punchline for this one.

All I know is in my years of pinning pre training blends etc. this is not a placebo. Acetates and shorter kick in the first day for sure. They just keep getting better and better is all.
 
I think I moreso just need to keep myself at bay. Or I start to immediately jump to conclusions in my excitement, claiming this feel is daggone amazing on D1.

I'm a very excitable person I suppose...
 
Highlanda01602 said:
I think I moreso just need to keep myself at bay. Or I start to immediately jump to conclusions in my excitement, claiming this feel is daggone amazing on D1.

I'm a very excitable person I suppose...
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Are you planning to do blood work to asses the impact to your lipids?
 
I think about 30% is absorbed transdermally. You can probably enhance absorption by rubbing in a little DMSO gel on the application site after it dries.
 
Old Witch said:
What if it’s already in dmso?
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Whatever does not make it all the way to the bloodstream (the unabsorbed 70%) should be dried and lying on the surface of the skin and in pores, so the fresh application of dmso should re-wet and mobilize it further into the skin, no?
 
actually the science shows full asorbtion in about 45 mins with no residue left on the skin that could cross contaminate.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
actually the science shows full asorbtion in about 45 mins with no residue left on the skin that could cross contaminate.
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Can you elaborate? Are you talking about trest and dmso specifically?
 
the crappy androgel has been studied to take that long to dissipate. if you are using a current gen TD you can bet it is far better and probably takes less time to dissipate. regardless of the hormone.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
the crappy androgel has been studied to take that long to dissipate. if you are using a current gen TD you can bet it is far better and probably takes less time to dissipate. regardless of the hormone.
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Are you insinuating that you get 100% absorption from androgel?
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
no not even with phlogel.. im saying the skin absorbs everything over time.. only x amount makes it into the blood stream. i cant remember the estiamated absorption rate.. but its poor.
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I would still bet money that an additional application if DMSO, say 15 minutes after application, would increase the amount absorbed significantly. It’s cheap so I say why not give it a shot. My bro in law was on 30mg/day of pre’s 7 alpha ace chased with dmso, and according to him it felt very strong. That’s the extent of my experience with it.
 
DMSO will make you smell like garlic. and when you sweat. .. GARLIC.. people will hide from you.


also... 30 mgs of trest ace per day is quite strong. way stronger than androgel
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
DMSO will make you smell like garlic. and when you sweat. .. GARLIC.. people will hide from you.


also... 30 mgs of trest ace per day is quite strong. way stronger than androgel
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If you get the 99.99% pure DMSO the smell is not supposed to be an issue. That said I had the less clean one and yeah, it smells.

But 30mg TD should only be roughly 10-15mg into the bloodstream, would you agree? But yeah, even 10mg a day of trest is probably equal to 3-400mg of test per week. Since it does not bind to shbg
 
Nac said:
A guy posted here prolly about a year ago who was using similiar doses as "trt", no test, he seemed to love it.

If I wanted to run an alternative to test and didnt want to pin (Id have no probs using TD), Id definitely trial trest. BUT, in my experience, the stuff will absolutely toast lipids, at any dose. Which is obviously a concern.
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I enjoyed running trest at a very low dose with no test or ai.
Great for maintaining muscle and strength while doing enduring training.
I’d have to look back at old post to find the dosages used.
 
RickyBlobby said:
If you get the 99.99% pure DMSO the smell is not supposed to be an issue. That said I had the less clean one and yeah, it smells.

But 30mg TD should only be roughly 10-15mg into the bloodstream, would you agree? But yeah, even 10mg a day of trest is probably equal to 3-400mg of test per week. Since it does not bind to shbg
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Having a good, predicable TD product would be a better option than pinning but if that is the absorption rates it seems like a lot of wasted product or am I missing something?
 
Oldog said:
Having a good, predicable TD product would be a better option than pinning but if that is the absorption rates it seems like a lot of wasted product or am I missing something?
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Yeah when it comes to trest it’s kinda a shame to waste most of the product, being its the most expensive injectible AAS
 
Oldog said:
So what’s the consensus in the community? Is it worth it in terms of cost vs absorption to go TD vs IM?
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thats probably going to come down to a few things.. one would be the quality and concentration of the trest in question.. weather or not youre willing to pin, and ease of use..
personally id much rather just slather up, but im past that so i still inject it. i have done TD trest and its amazing so long as its got an ester attached. we normally would want to see ace for daily slathers.
i avoid the trest base applications.

so ask yourself.. does the product im buying have 100 mgs per ml or less? if its 50mgs per ml it will get expensive quickly. at which point i would inject. TDs have their draw backs too, like cross contamination, irritated skin, ect..
 
injectable or menadione if you’re gonna go oral.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Copied from other thread:

injectable trest ace at 5mg per day produces VERY measurable results in terms of strength, recovery, joints, muscle endurance... and last but not least libido ..
i used to take pde5 meds daily or some time prior to 'activity'
not anymore.. just a slight touch from my lady, or maybe a random thought, gets me ready to go. and none of this going soft once hard.. with trest you stay hard and after a few weeks of initial dosing, your climax endurance sky rockets... its not like deca or tren where you lose feeling, and go soft.. you stay rock hard, but it takes a bit more time to climax.. although you CAN climax.. also erection quality is that much better too.
mentally.. trest seems to increase mental focus, overall drive, motivation and maybe a tad bit of detachment.. but nothing like tren.
nothing really seems to bother me as much while running trest... you just seem more level headed.. with test or tren, emotions seem to run high, then low.. etc.
iam ok with 5mg per day, and im gaining from it.. daily i see changes.. especially if i cut carbs.. my face is instantly much thinner a few days in.. bloat is gone and stomach totally flat.. veins all over my arms, and starting to pop on my thighs too .. trest is good stuff.. far from hype.
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I looked back at my old thread from my Jbry username and I was running 50-75 mg of trest phenyl/ace per week via 25mg injections 2-3 times per week. I ran it likes this for almost 6 months.
 
Brain5ick said:
I’ve only found TD trest on predator. Am I missing something?
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There's one other brand I know of on other UK sites. Other than that I think you just have to buy some raw powder and make it yourself. TD trest seems like it used to be more widely available than it is now for whatever reason.
 
RickyBlobby said:
I think about 30% is absorbed transdermally. You can probably enhance absorption by rubbing in a little DMSO gel on the application site after it dries.
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Interesting so say 35mg TD would be more than enough for a base while running orals, and probably decently anabolic even? So would it be fair to say 50mg TD might be the equivalent of ping 500-600mg test a week? And at that dosage you wouldn't really have to worry about most of the sides the logs of people doing 100-200mg TD ED are getting?

If that's the case seems like a no-brainer for those of us who can't/won't pin. Running Androtest of similar at decent dosages is prohibitively expensive whilst you could run TD trest for almost 12 weeks at 45mg a day for £80.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
thats probably going to come down to a few things.. one would be the quality and concentration of the trest in question.. weather or not youre willing to pin, and ease of use..
personally id much rather just slather up, but im past that so i still inject it. i have done TD trest and its amazing so long as its got an ester attached. we normally would want to see ace for daily slathers.
i avoid the trest base applications.

so ask yourself.. does the product im buying have 100 mgs per ml or less? if its 50mgs per ml it will get expensive quickly. at which point i would inject. TDs have their draw backs too, like cross contamination, irritated skin, ect..
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I think ideally I’d rather not go through the extra hassle of pinning if the same results could be achieved w TD. I guess it’s a question of dosage, best product and cost. Which can be said for anything. I feels as if I’m talking myself in circles
 
Oldog said:
I think ideally I’d rather not go through the extra hassle of pinning if the same results could be achieved w TD. I guess it’s a question of dosage, best product and cost. Which can be said for anything. I feels as if I’m talking myself in circles
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Same boat. I'm concluding (maybe incorrectly) That we should all just be slapping on between one and two ml a day (which works out between 25mg to 60mg depending on product), keep an AI and caber on hand but probably not need them. Or am I misreading this?
 
i will bet you will need an AI. even with TD. this is as close to pinning as you will get without pinning. the effects are big and the sides can be too.
 
What's a good AI starting point for 50mg ED trest? Obviously depends on individual but if we're generaling the way people throw out .25mg EOD adex for a test cycle.
 
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