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5-10mg of IM treat ace all that is needed?

Renew1 said:
Are you thinking about trying Winny on cycle for that?
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No, haven’t tried anything yet. Just doing my due diligence researching. I’m having hernia surgery next week so I’m trying to plan what to get started on once I can get back in the gym. This is all good info. Keep it coming!
 
Oldog said:
No, haven’t tried anything yet. Just doing my due diligence researching. I’m having hernia surgery next week so I’m trying to plan what to get started on once I can get back in the gym. This is all good info. Keep it coming!
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I guy I know just had to have several hernias repaired (ouch!!)
Make sure you give more that proper healing time, brother. No need for a redo.
 
Didnt actually read that professional muscle post because i thought i had seen it before but i read it earlier and see a lot has been added since. Some good info and good to see a lot of people think that trest doesnt need to be ran super high.

Good to know because im sure a lot of us have noticed such a huge variance in opinions and feedback about this compound among the online community over the years, in regards to effectiveness, dosage, whether it sucks or works good lol. (Not so much here and AM, everyone seems to be a fan)
 
Steeleydan said:
Didnt actually read that professional muscle post because i thought i had seen it before but i read it earlier and see a lot has been added since. Some good info and good to see a lot of people think that trest doesnt need to be ran super high.

Good to know because im sure a lot of us have noticed such a huge variance in opinions and feedback about this compound among the online community over the years, in regards to effectiveness, dosage, whether it sucks or works good lol. (Not so much here and AM, everyone seems to be a fan)
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Yeah it really is intriguing. I know many on here will say you’ve got to be willing to take the bad with the good regarding sides but I don’t want to feel like I’m chasing my tail using multiple compounds and then juggling all the support supps. Been there done that. All I want is bang for buck, simple and effective.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Kinda off topic, but speaking of SHBG..

I take 100mg test c for trt. Well 2 weeks ago I started takin 35mg a day of winny to help me cut some fat while sparing muscle, and the SHBG reducing effect of winny is very noticeable.

By day 2 gyno came back hard, my libido went way up, and I've been waking up with rock hard morning wood every morning.

Almost feels like I doubled my TRT dose.

Jus thought I'd share lol
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I figured since winny was a DHT you’d not get gyno but if you’re not on an AI and your SHBG drops it would free up a lot more test to become active and in the end aromatize. Am I getting that right?
 
Brain5ick said:
I figured since winny was a DHT you’d not get gyno but if you’re not on an AI and your SHBG drops it would free up a lot more test to become active and in the end aromatize. Am I getting that right?
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Yep. That's the line of reasoning.
 
Shouldn’t a DHT help with gyno if E sides were kept in check? I’ve heard of people getting rid of gyno with Mast. Not sure of how though aside from cutting weight.
 
Brain5ick said:
Shouldn’t a DHT help with gyno if E sides were kept in check? I’ve heard of people getting rid of gyno with Mast. Not sure of how though aside from cutting weight.
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Masteron blocks estrogen and prolactin activity, actually.

This is why test, tren, and masteron is one of the most common professional-level stacks.
 
Brain5ick said:
I figured since winny was a DHT you’d not get gyno but if you’re not on an AI and your SHBG drops it would free up a lot more test to become active and in the end aromatize. Am I getting that right?
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Exactamundo. Masteron is a much stronger DHT than Winnie (more androgenic). Not sure what part Winnie plays in negating estrogen but it obviously is not very significant.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Exactamundo. Masteron is a much stronger DHT than Winnie (more androgenic). Not sure what part Winnie plays in negating estrogen but it obviously is not very significant.
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Supposedly, and this is broscience as far as I know, elevated DHT levels inhibit aromatase production. No idea if that’s true. I would venture to guess that it may be true but largely insignificant.

The 2-Methyl attachment on masteron, stenbolone, superdrol and MSten causes them to inhibit progesterone and estrogen in a way beyond my limit of understanding. This is actual fact. Not broscience.
 
Guess this all kind of circles back to the original topic of this thread somewhat in that if good results can be made with much smaller doses of ace, theoretically sides should be minimal and much more easily managed.
 
Old Witch said:
Masteron blocks estrogen and prolactin activity, actually.

This is why test, tren, and masteron is one of the most common professional-level stacks.
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You got this effect from basic Epiandro/androsterone (obviously since a pure DHT PH..) as well. And in a pretty good way in my experience.

And I also think that add a DHT to trest is a great way to balance out the hormone levels since you get no DHT conversion from trest (if I got this right, not entirely sure..)

I’ve never used any high amounts of trest but I didn’t have to use any AI on cycle when I kept the DHT high enough. And the drive and well being from that cycle was amazing. And also the PCT was smooth as hell...
 
Dragoninho said:
You got this effect from basic Epiandro/androsterone (obviously since a pure DHT PH..) as well. And in a pretty good way in my experience.

And I also think that add a DHT to trest is a great way to balance out the hormone levels since you get no DHT conversion from trest (if I got this right, not entirely sure..)

I’ve never used any high amounts of trest but I didn’t have to use any AI on cycle when I kept the DHT high enough. And the drive and well being from that cycle was amazing. And also the PCT was smooth as hell...
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And what cycle was that?
 
I like this topic. So I'm just gonna bump it
 
RickyBlobby said:
I like this topic. So I'm just gonna bump it
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Lol same.

So in the case of trest not binding to shbg, are there other androgens like this? Also, arent there still other receptors that it could bind to that have no effect on muscle growth? Meaning that not all of that extra would be left for androgen receptors, but a good bit of it at least?

I should probly know this but oh well, rookie question on my part haha
 
Yeah I know there are others but cant tell you off the top of my head.
 
Steeleydan said:
Lol same.

So in the case of trest not binding to shbg, are there other androgens like this? Also, arent there still other receptors that it could bind to that have no effect on muscle growth? Meaning that not all of that extra would be left for androgen receptors, but a good bit of it at least?

I should probly know this but oh well, rookie question on my part haha
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Tren, I thought, also does not bind to shbg. Now I could definitely be wrong.

Also, trest is amazingly carditoxic, and of course binds heavily to estrogen and progesterone receptors. So that’s where your extra trest goes. It attaches to the liver, heart, and brain. And tits.
 
Also, supposedly trest is a steroidal sarm and shows selectivity in what receptors it binds to with what affinity. Odd.
 
I worry about cardiotoxicity too. Its wierd because almost any decently strong oral simply feels like im putting poison in my body, and im thinking "this cant be good for my heart... Yet trestolone simply feels clean and " healthier" based solely on feel. Every time i try dmz i worry im gonna have a heart attack. Im also an anxious hypochondriac and probably not a goos candidate for AAS in general lol. But any injectible ive tried simply feels "safer" and less like poison. Im not sure why it works out that way for me. (Im thinking this is just some wierd psychological **** and none of this is based on any facts at all lol)
 
RickyBlobby said:
References?
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I can provide a reference stating nandrolone is 11 times more carditoxic than testosterone, and I can conjecture that trest is not less carditoxic than its parent hormone. However I am lacking the ability to find the actual article demonstrating what cardiotoxic effect trest has in and of itself.
 
Old Witch said:
I can provide a reference stating nandrolone is 11 times more carditoxic than testosterone, and I can conjecture that trest is not less carditoxic than its parent hormone. However I am lacking the ability to find the actual article demonstrating what cardiotoxic effect trest has in and of itself.
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Well along those lines of thinking, trest is 10x more potent than test mg for mg unlike nandrolone; the required dose is much much less.
This should almost make the cardiotoxicity a mute point, eh?
 
I will run trest around may or June at low dose solo and see what's up. I guess 10mg eod or 5mg everyday to start? Will use a slin pin so should be easy enough.
 
I plan on doing the same in a couple months. Maybe finish with some SD or msten
 
RickyBlobby said:
Well along those lines of thinking, trest is 10x more potent than test mg for mg unlike nandrolone; the required dose is much much less.
This should almost make the cardiotoxicity a mute point, eh?
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Right, or it could be much, much worse.
 
Yeah could be. Or not. All speculation at this point
 
Renew1 said:
You would think that would've come up in the birth control testing.
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Based on my understanding the trial with the implants was only 28 days and I can’t find a time frame on the other studies but the wording suggests they weren’t long term imo.
 
jdm23 said:
Based on my understanding the trial with the implants was only 28 days and I can’t find a time frame on the other studies but the wording suggests they weren’t long term imo.
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Lol.
Well that's not much of a test.
:-)
 
My studies conclude it is a compound that gives me an otherwise unachievable sense of constant wellbeing.

Bout to stock up on it and replace my 100mg/week test c with 70mg trest and see how it treats me long term... with regular blood work.

An incredible 70 yrs with a quick finish over a mediocre 80 with the last 10 being next to miserable. The former appeals to me at the moment. I don't mind being the guinea pig lol
 
Off topic. If you want to kick back with some chill ass electro funk soul on your smart tv with bose system or equivalent.... YouTube the best of gramatik. Fucking outstanding
 
Oh yeah, and they found that in just those six days prostate and seminal vesicle weights were increased significantly even at the lowest dose. Incidentally they also found that a dose as low as 2mg is enough to functionally maintain muscle tissue.
 
Old Witch said:
Another test they gave it IM in doses of 2mg to 8mg for a whopping six days.
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And there are people poking 50mg a day and wondering why their estrogen cannot be controlled
 
RickyBlobby said:
Well along those lines of thinking, trest is 10x more potent than test mg for mg unlike nandrolone; the required dose is much much less.
This should almost make the cardiotoxicity a mute point, eh?
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That’s what I was thinking too. If you can get good results from a much lower dose than previously thought, it would stand to reason that the likelihood of those aforementioned sides would be less. Still on the topic of SHBG, what would be a good choice to lower it outside of another injectable? Is there a good prohormone,
sarm or other supp that works well?
 
Oldog said:
That’s what I was thinking too. If you can get good results from a much lower dose than previously thought, it would stand to reason that the likelihood of those aforementioned sides would be less. Still on the topic of SHBG, what would be a good choice to lower it outside of another injectable? Is there a good prohormone,
sarm or other supp that works well?
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Winstrol. EAsy to get as a PH and the Feds couldnt care less as long as it's personal use quantities. Just my opinion tho. Well many peoples opinion. From experience.

If you're stuck on prohormones or designer steroids you will have to research because I don't know.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Winstrol. EAsy to get as a PH and the Feds couldnt care less as long as it's personal use quantities. Just my opinion tho. Well many peoples opinion. From experience.

If you're stuck on prohormones or designer steroids you will have to research because I don't know.
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ATD also inhibits SHBG, proviron as well.
 
Oh damn, I forgot the most shocking part of that IM trest test: they found that 2mg was not suppressive or in their words “non antigonadotrophic”... in six days. LOL
 
Old Witch said:
Oh damn, I forgot the most shocking part of that IM trest test: they found that 2mg was not suppressive or in their words “non antigonadotrophic”... in six days. LOL
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And in reality 2mg is probably a viable alternative to TRT
 
Oldog said:
That’s what I was thinking too. If you can get good results from a much lower dose than previously thought, it would stand to reason that the likelihood of those aforementioned sides would be less. Still on the topic of SHBG, what would be a good choice to lower it outside of another injectable? Is there a good prohormone,
sarm or other supp that works well?
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Check out boron for lower shbg. Works well especially for short cycles (8 weeks)
 
RickyBlobby said:
Winstrol. EAsy to get as a PH and the Feds couldnt care less as long as it's personal use quantities. Just my opinion tho. Well many peoples opinion. From experience.


If you're stuck on prohormones or designer steroids you will have to research because I don't know.
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I’m just beginning to look at prohormones again so I’m not well educated yet as to what’s out there that’s good. Any suggestions? Or just straight winny still the best? I’ve heard mixed things about proviron as well but also heard it’s difficult to find in good quality.
 
Oldog said:
I’m just beginning to look at prohormones again so I’m not well educated yet as to what’s out there that’s good. Any suggestions? Or just straight winny still the best? I’ve heard mixed things about proviron as well but also heard it’s difficult to find in good quality.
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Spurfy Old Witch

Proviron work long term?
 
I swear the more i see yall talk about low doses being effective the more i feel like this 125mg a week trest D is kickin in full force harder than when i ran 250+. Yall got me experiencing imaginary sides.
 
How you liking the d? Well, decanoate?
 
Im liking it a lot. Im honestly beginning to feel like the brands i tried before might have been a little underdosed. Im also learning that i feel pretty much any ester within days after first injection. Mentally at least.
 
Also ive been only doing .5 adex like every 5 days. Experimenting a little bit as i suspect that some including myself might over do AI with trest due to all the aromatization horroe stories haha.
 
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