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A week into cold turkey kratom withdrawals

bigbeaph said:
Sleeping well the last couple nights?
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Night befor least I slept well. A little longer to fall asleep than on kratom but not bad. Last night I was feeling sick, which rarely happens ( I'm on winstrol tho so go figure) so I took some NyQuil. Slept like a rock for like 12 hrs lol
 
kisaj said:
That is very expensive.
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Not for the quality you get. IDK about now but last time I checked it was $130 a kilo give or take.
 
After thinking about it, I haven't taken longer than a day or two off in probably a year. Although I have lowered my dose, I am out until probably Friday so it will be interesting. This past Friday I drank so I didn't take Kratom. Saturday and Sunday were normal doses, and last night was a little less than 4g for my last dose for a couple days. I slept in today, so I know sleep will be tough tonight and since I have a long day tomorrow I plan to take a Klonopin tonight. Wednesday and Thursday will be taking nothing. We will see if I can stop the nightly dosing once I get more in the mail this weekend.

Also, I don't want this to take away from your experience or thread. My dosing is no where near what yours was previously so I do not expect to have the same experience you had stopping, let alone only for a few days. I just figured this would be a good spot to put my thoughts the next couple days, so I actually have something to look back on and to give perspective of a lower daily dose can be like when stopping.
 
rascal14 said:
After thinking about it, I haven't taken longer than a day or two off in probably a year. Although I have lowered my dose, I am out until probably Friday so it will be interesting. This past Friday I drank so I didn't take Kratom. Saturday and Sunday were normal doses, and last night was a little less than 4g for my last dose for a couple days. I slept in today, so I know sleep will be tough tonight and since I have a long day tomorrow I plan to take a Klonopin tonight. Wednesday and Thursday will be taking nothing. We will see if I can stop the nightly dosing once I get more in the mail this weekend.
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Just remember not everyone gets wd's from kratom. I only note this to say dont worry yourself into making it worse....not that you would - I have done that myself though!...its too easy to do. Just to throw it out there.
 
bigbeaph said:
Just remember not everyone gets wd's from kratom. I only note this to say dont worry yourself into making it worse....not that you would - I have done that myself though!...its too easy to do. Just to throw it out there.
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Oh yeah definitely! I used to take 12-15g a night for a few weeks then stop for a couple days and not get much more than a bad mood, trouble sleeping for a night, and headache. I have since lowered my dose but it has been more like a year of near daily dosing, so I thought it might be interesting to compare. I am under the impression that I do not get withdrawals really. I was taking 15-25mg Percocet nightly for a month after surgery because they gave me too much at the pharmacy, and I stopped that cold turkey and didn't notice any withdrawals. Atleast nothing that made me say, "Oh xxx happened, I wonder if it's because I randomly stopped taking a powerful opiate out of nowhere."
 
bigbeaph said:
Just remember not everyone gets wd's from kratom. I only note this to say dont worry yourself into making it worse....not that you would - I have done that myself though!...its too easy to do. Just to throw it out there.
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Honestly, the withdrawals were not bad. I attribute this to klonipin and taking plenty time off. The worst thing for me was the lack of motivation. No way I could have quit while having to go to work.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Honestly, the withdrawals were not bad. I attribute this to klonipin and taking plenty time off. The worst thing for me was the lack of motivation. No way I could have quit while having to go to work.
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Klonopin will definitely help, but most people would not want to substitute daily Kratom for daily Klonopin use. You were already using Klonopin daily though, right?

My biggest concern is trouble sleeping. Anytime I can't sleep, not only does it just make for a bad day the next day, but when it takes me longer than normal to fall asleep I get very anxious which causes more issues.
 
rascal14 said:
Klonopin will definitely help, but most people would not want to substitute daily Kratom for daily Klonopin use. You were already using Klonopin daily though, right?

My biggest concern is trouble sleeping. Anytime I can't sleep, not only does it just make for a bad day the next day, but when it takes me longer than normal to fall asleep I get very anxious which causes more issues.
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Yes. I have been taking Klonipin for years. 1mg one day, 1/2mg the next. Now I am up to 1mg per day. I wasn't worried about sleep because no matter how long it took to fall asleep I knew I could sleep in till whenever.
 
Klonopin last night helped me sleep and I always have a good day after taking it the night before. I would have had Kratom by now and am realizing how much motivation and energy it gave me after work lol, I don't want to even move off the couch to the computer. My mood is fine right now, but could be due to residual Klonopin effects. I have been taking Advil and water along with the Agmatine and Black Seed Oil.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Is it possible to have kratom withdrawal from taking kratom for 3 weeks?
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Possible but not probable. Then again if you've been down the opiate addiction road it can happen quickly. I get wd's from just 2 days of tianeptine use bc of that.
 
bigbeaph said:
Possible but not probable. Then again if you've been down the opiate addiction road it can happen quickly. I get wd's from just 2 days of tianeptine use bc of that.
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I ask because I was taking red Borneo kratom for 3 weeks before bed, I started to get cold like symptoms, runny nose, sore throat; wasnt sure if that was from kratom usage, or not. So I just stopped, and didnt feel well for a couple days. Wasnt sure if it was an actual virus, or the kratom.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Is it possible to have kratom withdrawal from taking kratom for 3 weeks?
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I would certainly withdrawal after using for that long. But I have a history of opiate abuse. If you’ve never been addicted to opiates then you’ll probably be in the clear. You might have 48 hours of moodiness and headaches with some difficulty sleeping or something along those lines. But I doubt you’ll suffer anything remotely close to full fledged opiate withdrawal.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
I ask because I was taking red Borneo kratom for 3 weeks before bed, I started to get cold like symptoms, runny nose, sore throat; wasnt sure if that was from kratom usage, or not. So I just stopped, and didnt feel well for a couple days. Wasnt sure if it was an actual virus, or the kratom.
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Was your nose runny while you were on kratom or when you weren’t on it?
 
YoungThor said:
I would certainly withdrawal after using for that long. But I have a history of opiate abuse. If you’ve never been addicted to opiates then you’ll probably be in the clear. You might have 48 hours of moodiness and headaches with some difficulty sleeping or something along those lines. But I doubt you’ll suffer anything remotely close to full fledged opiate withdrawal.
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Never had opioid addiction. Had nicotine addiction years ago, super easy to quit cold turkey.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Had cold like symptoms on and off of it. Was easier to cope with while taking kratom.
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Then it was likely just a cold. Runny nose is one of the early symptoms of withdrawal people often get when coming off an opiate. I usually get it from pain pills, kratom, etc. but it goes away if I use the substance again (along with all other symptoms). So if you still had that symptom while on kratom then you probably just had a cold.
 
YoungThor said:
Then it was likely just a cold. Runny nose is one of the early symptoms of withdrawal people often get when coming off an opiate. I usually get it from pain pills, kratom, etc. but it goes away if I use the substance again (along with all other symptoms). So if you still had that symptom while on kratom then you probably just had a cold.
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It freaked me out, so I just stopped taking lol. I figured I shouldnt have withdrawal if I am taking it daily anyway? But I respect substances, even though it isn't an opioid, it acts upon the opiod receptors, so I halted.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
It freaked me out, so I just stopped taking lol. I figured I shouldnt have withdrawal if I am taking it daily anyway? But I respect substances, even though it isn't an opioid, it acts upon the opiod receptors, so I halted.
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Smart move. If you dont have a good reason to be a daily user then get your breaks and save yourself a world of shlt!
 
ValiantThor08 said:
It freaked me out, so I just stopped taking lol. I figured I shouldnt have withdrawal if I am taking it daily anyway? But I respect substances, even though it isn't an opioid, it acts upon the opiod receptors, so I halted.
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It is in fact an opioid. The kratom community isn’t denying that anymore. The only reason they wanted to shed that label in the first place is because “opioid” is currently a bad word in America as a result of all the fentanyl and heroin deaths. But it’s just as much of an opioid as opium. It acts on the opiate receptors, has an opiate-like pain killing effect, an opiate-like withdrawal, you can replace your opiate addiction with kratom addiction and avoid withdrawal just like you can do with methadone and suboxone. It’s just simply a weaker opioid, more along the lines of codeine. The term opioid doesn’t inherently mean “bad drug.” So people who use it need to be aware and just own the truth that they’re using a very mild natural opioid.
 
YoungThor said:
It is in fact an opioid. The kratom community isn’t denying that anymore. The only reason they wanted to shed that label in the first place is because “opioid” is currently a bad word in America as a result of all the fentanyl and heroin deaths. But it’s just as much of an opioid as opium. It acts on the opiate receptors, has an opiate-like pain killing effect, an opiate-like withdrawal, you can replace your opiate addiction with kratom addiction and avoid withdrawal just like you can do with methadone and suboxone. It’s just simply a weaker opioid, more along the lines of codeine. The term opioid doesn’t inherently mean “bad drug.” So people who use it need to be aware and just own the truth that they’re using a very mild natural opioid.
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It is a partial mu opiod receptor agonist. Much in the same way naloxone or suboxone is (though I dont think its a fair comparison because those are much stronger). Because of this it has a ceiling or threshold. Up to about 6-8 grams is the threshold for most people. Taking beyond that amount isnt going to give you anymore of the opiate effect that 6-8 grams would. BUT what you would see is an increase in side effects the higher your dose. So people that take 20 g at a time are really just chasing something theyre not gonna catch.

Heroin, oxy, dilaudid as well as others- Full mu opiod agonist. Meaning theyre going to hit more intensely.
 
bigbeaph said:
Smart move. If you dont have a good reason to be a daily user then get your breaks and save yourself a world of shlt!
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True. Anyone who can be disciplined and use kratom recreationally here and there should enjoy it. But daily use of multiple high doses is what’s gonna get you in trouble. My body becomes dependent on the stuff super fast so I just use it for a couple days here and there and then stop again. But if I have it I use it. So I can only ever possess about an ounce at a time. And if you have serious pain issues then by all means, take as much as you have to.
 
Godstrength said:
It is a partial mu opiod receptor agonist. Much in the same way naloxone or suboxone is (though I dont think its a fair comparison because those are much stronger). Because of this it has a ceiling or threshold. Up to about 6-7 grams is the threshold for most people. Taking beyond that amount isnt going to give you anymore of the opiate effect that 6-7 grams would. BUT what you would see is an increase in side effects the higher your dose. So people that take 20 g at a time are really just chasing something theyre not gonna catch.

Heroin, oxy, dilaudid as well as others.... Full mu opiod agonist. Meaning theyre going to hit more intensely.
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Yeah I agree with all that. It is a partial just like buprenorphine but bupe is 40x stronger than morphine so it is a weak comparison as you said. And yeah, for me anything over an 8 gram dose doesn’t produce more of a pleasurable effect. It’s a super unique plant. Even considering the fact that it has a ceiling effect and won’t suppress your breathing to the point if death doesn’t negate the fact it’s an opioid. It’s a very very unique opioid in a class of its own. That’s for sure. Hopefully it gets studied quite a bit so we understand it better.
 
YoungThor said:
It is in fact an opioid. The kratom community isn’t denying that anymore. The only reason they wanted to shed that label in the first place is because “opioid” is currently a bad word in America as a result of all the fentanyl and heroin deaths. But it’s just as much of an opioid as opium. It acts on the opiate receptors, has an opiate-like pain killing effect, an opiate-like withdrawal, you can replace your opiate addiction with kratom addiction and avoid withdrawal just like you can do with methadone and suboxone. It’s just simply a weaker opioid, more along the lines of codeine. The term opioid doesn’t inherently mean “bad drug.” So people who use it need to be aware and just own the truth that they’re using a very mild natural opioid.
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Yeah I went from kratom- to suboxone- and back to kratom. No withdrawals during any transition. I did like the effects of suboxone better though, felt "cleaner" and no need for multiple re-doses daily
 
RickyBlobby said:
Yeah I went from kratom- to suboxone- and back to kratom. No withdrawals during any transition. I did like the effects of suboxone better though, felt "cleaner" and no need for multiple re-doses daily
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how did this switch feel? especially going back to kratom after you used the subuxone?

i mean your were on kratom, so if you take subuxone, it will go to the receptors and throw out the kratom alkaloids and give you desired effects because of its much higher binding affinity.

so far so good but if you stop using the subuxone, it will stay in the receptors for quite some time. 1 day? 2 days? during this time you wont feel anything from the kratom, right?

so you will have some time where you wont be able to get any opioid high because the subuxone sits in your receptors and is still active there but doesnt have any very noticeable effects anymore, right?

if you dont want to think and speak about this stuff, absolutely no problem!

gratulation to you, you made it! i know that withdrawals suck. especially opioid withdrawals after years and years of consuming...but you did you it like a pro! hope you can live without that stuff from now on!
 
iamyourfather said:
how did this switch feel? especially going back to kratom after you used the subuxone?

i mean your were on kratom, so if you take subuxone, it will go to the receptors and throw out the kratom alkaloids and give you desired effects because of its much higher binding affinity.

so far so good but if you stop using the subuxone, it will stay in the receptors for quite some time. 1 day? 2 days? during this time you wont feel anything from the kratom, right?

so you will have some time where you wont be able to get any opioid high because the subuxone sits in your receptors and is still active there but doesnt have any very noticeable effects anymore, right?

if you dont want to think and speak about this stuff, absolutely no problem!

gratulation to you, you made it! i know that withdrawals suck. especially opioid withdrawals after years and years of consuming...but you did you it like a pro! hope you can live without that stuff from now on!
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If you want to get the most out of an opiate high after coming off suboxone then the only way to know you’ll achieve this is to wait until withdrawal kicks in. At that point the suboxone is no longer active and blocking the receptors. This might take a day, or it could take four days. It depends on how much you’ve been taking and for how long. You could get high before withdrawal kicks in but you’re taking the chance of wasting whatever drug your taking, or at least allowing it to be less effective.

I just went through a several week period where I was switching up what I was using on a near daily basis. Sometimes it’d be oxycodone, sometimes suboxone, sometimes tramadol, sometimes kratom. I’d typically feel an opiate high 24 hours after taking suboxone. I do not recommend taking any of these drugs. Opiates bring nothing but negativity into my life, and most other people’s. I’m currently taking nothing, but smoking little weed and getting high on weightlifting and steak.
 
iamyourfather said:
how did this switch feel? especially going back to kratom after you used the subuxone?

i mean your were on kratom, so if you take subuxone, it will go to the receptors and throw out the kratom alkaloids and give you desired effects because of its much higher binding affinity.

so far so good but if you stop using the subuxone, it will stay in the receptors for quite some time. 1 day? 2 days? during this time you wont feel anything from the kratom, right?

so you will have some time where you wont be able to get any opioid high because the subuxone sits in your receptors and is still active there but doesnt have any very noticeable effects anymore, right?

if you dont want to think and speak about this stuff, absolutely no problem!

gratulation to you, you made it! i know that withdrawals suck. especially opioid withdrawals after years and years of consuming...but you did you it like a pro! hope you can live without that stuff from now on!
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Honestly felt no ill effects going from sub to kratom. The day after my last sub dose of 2mg, I started kratom 6g 3x a day again with no hitch.

And thanks. I've tried to quit/ taper kratom several times, and couldn't, it was because it would kill y motivation and make me unable to keep up at work. The time off was key.
 
Not sure why everyone is having such a hard time...

Ive been using kratom daily for almost 10yrs...and taken many breaks. Everytime the only real side effects was diarrhea, some restlessness that comes and goes (nothing major), and hard to sleep for the first couple of nights...that's it.
 
thanks for clearing up guys!

beside that ive heard from many people that they dont get a high from buprenorphine at all (even if snorted), so i didnt use the 4mg i have laying here yet. but it seems that it gives a better high than kratom, otherwise you wouldnt take it?

and of course its definitely not very wise to use this stuff without medical supervision. if you arent already hooked on opioids, then make sure it will never happen and take care of yourself and your frequency in using this stuff!
 
iamyourfather said:
thanks for clearing up guys!

beside that ive heard from many people that they dont get a high from buprenorphine at all (even if snorted), so i didnt use the 4mg i have laying here yet. but it seems that it gives a better high than kratom, otherwise you wouldnt take it?

and of course its definitely not very wise to use this stuff without medical supervision. if you arent already hooked on opioids, then make sure it will never happen and take care of yourself and your frequency in using this stuff!
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Yeah, the whole, “buprenorphine doesn’t get you high” statement that some people like to make us BS. If you’re shooting 5 bags of heroin laced with fentanyl a day then yeah, buprenorphine won’t get you high. And you’ll probably need 16mg a day to feel okay and avoid withdrawal. But if you don’t have a vicious opiate habit then buprenorphine can get you incredibly high. But if you have a relatively mild opiate habit (that’s still hard to kick) and the doctor prescribes you buprenorphine, he’ll likely give you a daily amount that will get you high for the first few uses but your body quickly adopts to that opiate more than any other and before you know it it just makes you feel normal. They do this because they want to make sure you’re taking enough to load up those opiate receptors with the hope that it’ll kill your cravings.
 
Kratom267 said:
Not sure why everyone is having such a hard time...

Ive been using kratom daily for almost 10yrs...and taken many breaks. Everytime the only real side effects was diarrhea, some restlessness that comes and goes (nothing major), and hard to sleep for the first couple of nights...that's it.
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1. Have you previously been addicted to harder opiates? I have been and that’s why I respond more dramatically to the withdrawal of kratom. Also, some of the people on here have had a hard time stopping because they use astronomical doses.

2. We obviously all have different chemical and psychological makeup. You’re statement is like saying, “I don’t know why some people drink until they black out every day, and then wake up with the shakes if they don’t drink. I like to have a few beers here and there, and occasionally get drunk, but I never have a hard time giving up drinking.” We all respond differently.
 
Well said YT
 
YoungThor said:
1. Have you previously been addicted to harder opiates? I have been and that’s why I respond more dramatically to the withdrawal of kratom. Also, some of the people on here have had a hard time stopping because they use astronomical doses.

2. We obviously all have different chemical and psychological makeup. You’re statement is like saying, “I don’t know why some people drink until they black out every day, and then wake up with the shakes if they don’t drink. I like to have a few beers here and there, and occasionally get drunk, but I never have a hard time giving up drinking.” We all respond differently.
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Sorry didnt mean to come off as "Im better than everyone for not getting bad W/D's"...
And yes, was heavily addicted to both oxy and norcos for the better part of a decade before I weaned myself off (hospitalized as well) and later found kratom because (or at least this is what I tell myself) I know that I am an addict...no matter if its weed, cigs, pills of any kind, etc...but at least with kratom its now the ONLY "drug" I take and have been "clean" from everything else for almost a decade.
I struggled mostly with clonazepam (klonapin) leaving me on the floor wishing for death, seizures, money down the drain, etc, etc...horrible experience I wish on no one!

But as far as kratom goes, especially since its not an actual opioid itself (yes it acts on the same receptors, but hell, so does chocolate), it is MUCH easier to quit...that goes for ANYONE! Im saying this compared to trying to quit actual hard drugs/pills. Ill take diarrhea, anxiety, insomnia any day of the week compared to losing ones mind from the hard stuff!
 
Kratom267 said:
Sorry didnt mean to come off as "Im better than everyone for not getting bad W/D's"...
And yes, was heavily addicted to both oxy and norcos for the better part of a decade before I weaned myself off (hospitalized as well) and later found kratom because (or at least this is what I tell myself) I know that I am an addict...no matter if its weed, cigs, pills of any kind, etc...but at least with kratom its now the ONLY "drug" I take and have been "clean" from everything else for almost a decade.
I struggled mostly with clonazepam (klonapin) leaving me on the floor wishing for death, seizures, money down the drain, etc, etc...horrible experience I wish on no one!

But as far as kratom goes, especially since its not an actual opioid itself (yes it acts on the same receptors, but hell, so does chocolate), it is MUCH easier to quit...that goes for ANYONE! Im saying this compared to trying to quit actual hard drugs/pills. Ill take diarrhea, anxiety, insomnia any day of the week compared to losing ones mind from the hard stuff!
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Good points. But for someone like me with a mentally demanding job those "mild" WD symptoms make being at work with the DT's miserable. So easy to just pop a few caps and feel better. That was my struggle.
 
To anyone trying to quit kratom and struggling, the best thing to do is taper and keep hydrated and exercise!

For example, if you take 10g kratom per day, the next day measure out only 8g...then 6g and stay on that amount for a week. Then the next week taper to 4g...stay on that for a few day to a week. Then the final week, 2g twice a day (in hopes of keeping it level in the body), take that amount for a few days. Then try to go "cold turkey". If unbearable, you can always take 2g to 4g to level you out for a day, but continue taking none unless absolutely needed. Repeat until done.

Imodium helps, btw. As well as any sleep supps you can tolerate. During the day, take valerian root, and drink tons of chamomile tea.
NO CAFFEINE.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Good points. But for someone like me with a mentally demanding job those "mild" WD symptoms make being at work with the DT's miserable. So easy to just pop a few caps and feel better. That was my struggle.
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Well that's the thing, the W/D's are 75% mental..."**** I feel so sluggish, gotta get the kids to school, gotta make it through a 12hr shift, etc" so its easy to give in...And again, if you do "give in", lower your dosage slightly less and less every other day or so.
 
Yeah I tried tapering. Then work load increased and so did my usage. It was going well before then though
 
The goal during the taper is to keep JUST ENOUGH of the kratom in your system so not to shock it. But NOT enough of a dose to give you that "ahhh good ol' kratom how I love thy warmth and energy"...

Just enough to keep the edge off.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Yeah I tried tapering. Then work load increased and so did my usage. It was going well before then though
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This excuse (and I am no means pointing a finger at ya Ricky, as I struggle like that daily) can be used for ANY drug, kratom, Xanax, Vicodin, etc, etc.
Its so easy in this life we all live to think "damn today sucks...*pops a Xanax*...wow today is much better...WHY CANT EVERY DAY FEEL LIKE TODAY!!!" And so the cycle continues.
Only thing to do is ACT, and break the cycle.

If you really want to quit. Then you can do it. Stock up on Imodium, stock up on Red Bull, stock up on Valerian Root, hell even Kava Kava (from NOW brand, its decent stuff, cheap and works, not as easy to abuse or get hooked on daily use)...and before anyone starts, the bull about kava kava being hard on the liver is FALSE. The same way that the FDA is saying kratom kills, etc.
I should mention, throughout my 10 years of daily kratom use (usually 10-12g at once), Ive gotten full labwork done quite a few times over the past few years...Kratom has NOT negatively effected my liver or kidneys (as the government is claiming is yet another reason to hate kratom).


At least stopping kratom wont kill ya!!! :)

But seriously, best of luck to anyone struggling.
If I'm honest with myself, I take kratom daily to keep my addict mind at ease and the "need" and "draw" towards my past evils, satisfied and at bay.
 
Kratom267 said:
This excuse (and I am no means pointing a finger at ya Ricky, as I struggle like that daily) can be used for ANY drug, kratom, Xanax, Vicodin, etc, etc.
Its so easy in this life we all live to think "damn today sucks...*pops a Xanax*...wow today is much better...WHY CANT EVERY DAY FEEL LIKE TODAY!!!" And so the cycle continues.
Only thing to do is ACT, and break the cycle.

If you really want to quit. Then you can do it. Stock up on Imodium, stock up on Red Bull, stock up on Valerian Root, hell even Kava Kava (from NOW brand, its decent stuff, cheap and works, not as easy to abuse or get hooked on daily use)...and before anyone starts, the bull about kava kava being hard on the liver is FALSE. The same way that the FDA is saying kratom kills, etc.
I should mention, throughout my 10 years of daily kratom use (usually 10-12g at once), Ive gotten full labwork done quite a few times over the past few years...Kratom has NOT negatively effected my liver or kidneys (as the government is claiming is yet another reason to hate kratom).


At least stopping kratom wont kill ya!!! :)

But seriously, best of luck to anyone struggling.
If I'm honest with myself, I take kratom daily to keep my addict mind at ease and the "need" and "draw" towards my past evils, satisfied and at bay.
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I take kratom occasionally for the same reason. When cravings pop up and get out of hand I’ll use kratom to take the edge off and keep me on a better path. It’s better than f*cking up with hard drugs, that’s for sure.

And kava can be pretty pleasurable, especially if you make the tea in the traditional way. When I was coming off kratom and klonopin once, I used Kalm with Kava’s root powder to brew up a pretty relaxing beverage. It helped quite a bit. It’s been about a year but maybe I’ll order some more.
 
Another question. The first time I took the red Borneo kratom, it was 2g, at night, and felt super relaxed about an hour later. That lasted 2 days. I felt it kick in. Then I had to take 8g to feel it. Then I raised it to 10g and beyond, but stopped feeling what I felt the first few days. Is that normal? Will taking time off make it possible to experienced that nice relaxed feeling from 2g again?
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Another question. The first time I took the red Borneo kratom, it was 2g, at night, and felt super relaxed about an hour later. That lasted 2 days. I felt it kick in. Then I had to take 8g to feel it. Then I raised it to 10g and beyond, but stopped feeling what I felt the first few days. Is that normal? Will taking time off make it possible to experienced that nice relaxed feeling from 2g again?
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Ideally you need to switch strains daily to keep from developing a tolerance. 3 strains rotated daily kept me around 5-6 grams a serving
 
But I'm telling you if you even THINK you have an addictive personality do not dose daily or you will probably get hooked
 
YoungThor said:
I take kratom occasionally for the same reason. When cravings pop up and get out of hand I’ll use kratom to take the edge off and keep me on a better path. It’s better than f*cking up with hard drugs, that’s for sure.
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Kratom has it's own issues but at least you wont OD off kratom. You wont work yourself into a 200$ a day habit. For me it genuinely does better at handling pain than the hard painkillers. And although possible.....I dont see anyone becoming homeless because of the habit. To me kratom is to hard opiates the way caffeine is to methamphetamine. Quitting caffeine is a pain, but it's not the difficult task that meth would be.

Not trying to downplay the seriousness of kratom. But like I've said before it's a godsend for someone like me. And though some would disagree, I see people having bad bad wd's as the very small minority. I think I remember you YoungThor share an insane kratom quitting story - I do get that it can be as bad as anything for some.
 
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