Ideas for PEDs to use hold you over in-between cycles?

BTW, Old Witch CultiVader and anyone else... if you guys are open to trades or whatever, here's an idea for a group buy, in case you'd be interested. I got in touch with a peptides manufacturer that can supposedly synthesize untagged follistatin-344; however, their minimum order quantity is 10 mg for $235. From what I've read, most guys who have run cycles of it in the past only took 100 - 200 mcg/day for maybe a few weeks at a time, so I don't need to order as much as 10 mg. Any chance you guys would be interested in a group buy on this? (I know $235 isn't that much money to spend, but with school back in session, I'm not able to work as often so it helps to save anywhere I can).
 
Yeah it put a half inch on my biceps. But have to re dose every several weeks or I loose some of it
 
SpicedCider said:
BTW, Old Witch CultiVader and anyone else... if you guys are open to trades or whatever, here's an idea for a group buy, in case you'd be interested. I got in touch with a peptides manufacturer that can supposedly synthesize untagged follistatin-344; however, their minimum order quantity is 10 mg for $235. From what I've read, most guys who have run cycles of it in the past only took 100 - 200 mcg/day for maybe a few weeks at a time, so I don't need to order as much as 10 mg. Any chance you guys would be interested in a group buy on this? (I know $235 isn't that much money to spend, but with school back in session, I'm not able to work as often so it helps to save anywhere I can).
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I don’t even know what that is. The whole peptide thing is relatively new for me. I’ve only tried a few of them and haven’t had spectacular results.
 
CultiVader said:
I don’t even know what that is. The whole peptide thing is relatively new for me. I’ve only tried a few of them and haven’t had spectacular results.
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Follistatin-344 is a peptide that inhibits the functioning of myostatin, an enzyme that limits muscle growth in mammals. Apparently it can be very effective either when taken on its own or as an adjunct to AAS cycles, but it's important to buy untagged (not tagged) follistatin, or otherwise it's basically ineffective and apparently can make you sick.
 
So what I’m gathering from all this peptide talk... is that I ought to start taking cjc with dac 100mcg a day, on top of the 100/100 modgrf/hex pwo, and 25mg mk677 before bed.

And it’s still cheaper than Pharma GH.
 
Mike Arnold stated that the only time he got real results off follistatin is when the manufacturer overdosed it and he took like 5-10 times the normal dose.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Mike Arnold stated that the only time he got real results off follistatin is when the manufacturer overdosed it and he took like 5-10 times the normal dose.
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And it was Untagged he said. I’ll just say right now John Connor from Iron Magazine told me 1mg follistatin per day minimum or don’t bother.

He also said similar for GH, 12iu a day or don’t bother.
 
Old Witch said:
So what I’m gathering from all this peptide talk... is that I ought to start taking cjc with dac 100mcg a day, on top of the 100/100 modgrf/hex pwo, and 25mg mk677 before bed.

And it’s still cheaper than Pharma GH.
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100mcg/ day of CJC DAC? The f*ck you expect to get from that? Also, DAC is like a long ester - 0 reason to pin it daily. For this reason you can even stick it IM and it works fine if you want.

Stick 2mg in a half ML bac water in your belly every 6th day and call it good.
 
Hyde said:
100mcg/ day of CJC DAC? The f*ck you expect to get from that? Also, DAC is like a long ester - 0 reason to pin it daily. For this reason you can even stick it IM and it works fine if you want.

Stick 2mg in a half ML bac water in your belly every 6th day and call it good.
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Because I already have other **** to pin daily subQ. No reason to load up once a week.
 
Old Witch said:
And it was Untagged he said. I’ll just say right now John Connor from Iron Magazine told me 1mg follistatin per day minimum or don’t bother.

He also said similar for GH, 12iu a day or don’t bother.
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Well, I managed to find a source that (allegedly) manufactures untagged follistatin, so just let me know if you'd be interested in buying some.

RickyBlobby said:
Mike Arnold stated that the only time he got real results off follistatin is when the manufacturer overdosed it and he took like 5-10 times the normal dose.
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Really? I didn't know that. I thought he had just emphasized the point about it being untagged. If I was swimming in more $$ right now, I would order 10 mg and start with injecting 100 mcg for the first couple days, then if I don't get sick (which would indicate that it's actually tagged follistatin), I'd ramp the dosing up to 1 mg/day.
 
SpicedCider said:
Well, I managed to find a source that (allegedly) manufactures untagged follistatin, so just let me know if you'd be interested in buying some.



Really? I didn't know that. I thought he had just emphasized the point about it being untagged. If I was swimming in more $$ right now, I would order 10 mg and start with injecting 100 mcg for the first couple days, then if I don't get sick (which would indicate that it's actually tagged follistatin), I'd ramp the dosing up to 1 mg/day.
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To be honest I’d save it for when on cycle and hitting that plateau. That’s when it should come in handy. And I’d just start with 1mg and see if it works.
 
Contrary to what one might think, myostatin isn’t the thing keeping natties from gaining fast. Myostatin is what’s keeping hardcore AAS vets from gaining period.
 
Old Witch said:
Because I already have other **** to pin daily subQ. No reason to load up once a week.
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Half a CC of bac water is loading up?? There’s no benefit to pinning it more frequently, but also no foul.

But you’re missing the bigger picture: you’re talking about taking 700mcg/wk. A third of what you need to get to and maintain optimal concentration. Jinsun can actually break it down if you wanna know the why on dosing.

Old Witch said:
I also like to pin my test c multiple times a week. Fight me.
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All I’ve read, this is the way to go if you prefer it - minimizes sides. This is how I do most orals, even with longer half lives. It definitely makes a smoother ride.
 
Hyde said:
Half a CC of bac water is loading up?? There’s no benefit to pinning it more frequently, but also no foul.

But you’re missing the bigger picture: you’re talking about taking 700mcg/wk. A third of what you need to get to and maintain optimal concentration. Jinsun can actually break it down if you wanna know the why on dosing.



All I’ve read, this is the way to go if you prefer it - minimizes sides. This is how I do most orals, even with longer half lives. It definitely makes a smoother ride.
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Yes but if I’m also taking cjc no dac 5 days a week as well... In all there’s more cjc on those days, and the synergy with mk677 will increase the overall effect.

I guess I figured I’d only need half as much with dac if I’m already using it without dac as well.
 
Hyde said:
Half a CC of bac water is loading up?? There’s no benefit to pinning it more frequently, but also no foul.

But you’re missing the bigger picture: you’re talking about taking 700mcg/wk. A third of what you need to get to and maintain optimal concentration. Jinsun can actually break it down if you wanna know the why on dosing.



All I’ve read, this is the way to go if you prefer it - minimizes sides. This is how I do most orals, even with longer half lives. It definitely makes a smoother ride.
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Hyde what's your opinion on using test prop as a test base during a cycle (I know it would need to be injected at least EOD) to avoid bloat and also start getting results early on during a cycle?
 
SpicedCider said:
Hyde what's your opinion on using test prop as a test base during a cycle (I know it would need to be injected at least EOD) to avoid bloat and also start getting results early on during a cycle?
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I know you didn’t ask me but I think the whole bloat thing is a myth. It will work faster though.
 
Old Witch said:
So what I’m gathering from all this peptide talk... is that I ought to start taking cjc with dac 100mcg a day, on top of the 100/100 modgrf/hex pwo, and 25mg mk677 before bed.

And it’s still cheaper than Pharma GH.
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You want to reach a saturation dose of at least 60mcg/kg. Half life is 8 days. Do the math. But keep in mind that it's not the same as with other hormones. IGF1 raises in 1 - 2 days after injection and stays more or less at the same level for 7 days and then it starts falling down. So you can do once a week pins.
 
Jinsun said:
You want to reach a saturation dose of at least 60mcg/kg. Half life is 8 days. Do the math. But keep in mind that it's not the same as with other hormones. IGF1 raises in 1 - 2 days after injection and stays more or less at the same level for 7 days and then it starts falling down. So you can do once a week pins.
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Good info about the saturation level. Thanks.
 
Old Witch said:
Yes but if I’m also taking cjc no dac 5 days a week as well... In all there’s more cjc on those days, and the synergy with mk677 will increase the overall effect.

I guess I figured I’d only need half as much with dac if I’m already using it without dac as well.
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I genuinely missed where ever you stated you would use both. I don’t see the point if you’re bothering to pin DAC you might as well pin it all at once. No DAC may be healthier and is cheaper so if you are going to pin multiple times a day I would consider all no DAC.

Personally, I’m going to stick with a single shot a week and just pop Mk at night and keep it simple. Worked like a charm last time.

SpicedCider said:
Hyde what's your opinion on using test prop as a test base during a cycle (I know it would need to be injected at least EOD) to avoid bloat and also start getting results early on during a cycle?
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Witch got you covered.
 
Hyde said:
I genuinely missed where ever you stated you would use both. I don’t see the point if you’re bothering to pin DAC you might as well pin it all at once. No DAC may be healthier and is cheaper so if you are going to pin multiple times a day I would consider all no DAC.

Personally, I’m going to stick with a single shot a week and just pop Mk at night and keep it simple. Worked like a charm last time.



Witch got you covered.
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Well the idea was the dac was going to act somewhat as a baseline so when I hit the no dac with hex before training it’s a much much larger spike.

Normally the protocol would be mk at night and no dac/hex pwo. Thought adding 700mcg dac a week might change things a little.

Guess it needs to be more dac then?
 
This guy has the same idea as me, but slightly different, and he recommends twice as much cjc no dac and hex, 250mcg each pwo.


The whole thing for me comes from a long long time ago when a much older, much more jacked guy told me the best time to use GH is preworkout and to use 5iu or more. Basically if its in your body when you’re training you’re getting much more (dose dependent) cell division from that training session.

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All this talk about GH and peptides, nobody mentioned cardarine.

Cardarine is awesome off cycle for keeping up some of the stamina you lose when coming off. The muscles will still fail earlier but the heart rate doesn’t increase nearly as much. Gonna need about 20mg a day and I’d split it so you don’t feel overly energized (it’s weird, not fun, and I actually enjoy speed, not the same feeling)

I wouldn’t use 20mg a day for too long, a few weeks, then drop it down to 10-15mg a few more weeks and then come off.
 
Lynks8 said:
What gains/benefits did you notice?
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Seemed like my joints genuinely recovered better from training; like I got more recovery from a sleep cycle (I did not sleep noticeably more or less than I always do). Also seemed like my muscles stayed more full and maybe was able to eat a bit more for maintenance - but I eat intuitively without tracking, so that isn’t substantiated at all, just a hunch.

I am very confident in saying that I was able to keep up with heavy hard training better once I began the 2.5mg e6d of DAC + 10mg Mk nightly. I had no sides from this at all, other than itchiness at subq site for a couple days and hot flushing of body shortly after shot (very manageable).

Fasting Blood Glucose went up 9 whole points from previous bloodwork, so know yours before you consider experimenting - that’s a big drawback.
 
Jinsun said:
Here you go. Look at fig. 4 specifically.

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This also shows why I think daily pinning of a partial dose would be more effective, note the massive spike on day 1 that drops to 1/3 or less by day 2-3.
 
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