Extended my TBol cycle to 9+ weeks -- am I just asking for trouble?

[SpicedCider]

If you seemed to lean out a lot, that’s compelling to say it was winstrol. Tbol isn’t particularly leaning. Though if you also totally changed your diet for the cycle, that definitely has its own contribution.

In all though I’d expect more of a skin thinning result that I don’t necessarily see, vascularity can easily be nitrogen and blood pressure from tbol.

And of course, as above, hard to say without a before pic.

There are two main changes I implemented during the cycle: 1.) Increased protein intake (at least 2 more protein shakes per day that each contained 40-50g of protein); and 2.) Less cardio -- over the last few weeks, it's gotten to the point where I skip it altogether on gym days and have only been running EOD. That's why I don't get how my stomach (along with everything else) looks so much leaner. How is it that I could be burning fewer calories by doing less cardio and yet be losing more fat, even though I haven't been in a caloric deficit?

 

[Old Witch]

There are two main changes I implemented during the cycle: 1.) Increased protein intake (at least 2 more protein shakes per day that each contained 40-50g of protein); and 2.) Less cardio -- over the last few weeks, it's gotten to the point where I skip it altogether on gym days and have only been running EOD. That's why I don't get how my stomach (along with everything else) looks so much leaner. How is it that I could be burning fewer calories by doing less cardio and yet be losing more fat, even though I haven't been in a caloric deficit?

Remember the time I told you cardio doesn’t lean you out, but weight training does, and that cardio in excess can keep you fatter...?

Yeah, that. Pretty sure this is tbol.

 

[Jinsun]

Here is a photo that was taken on 1/8. Do you think this looks more like a "Winny result " than a TBol one, based on the vascularity (which I'd never had to that degree prior to this cycle)? RickyBlobby Old Witch Renew1 Jinsun Smont AnabolicGuru SHERIFFmori

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If you was on winny for 8+ weeks ... you would probably have little synovial fluid, your joints would crack all over the place. Granted, this is not a must, but very likely. Can't be compared to low e2. Also I presume strength gains would be higher. And you could have acne, as winny is much more acne prone then tbol.

As for the vascularity, as Old Witch said, that's down to other factors. Dbol makes me more vascular then you are atm. Plus, you really aren't that vascular to begin with. So I wouldn't stress about it. Imo it's not winny.

 

[RickyBlobby]

Here is a photo that was taken on 1/8. Do you think this looks more like a "Winny result " than a TBol one, based on the vascularity (which I'd never had to that degree prior to this cycle)? RickyBlobby Old Witch Renew1 Jinsun Smont AnabolicGuru SHERIFFmori

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Yeah it really hard to say based on pics. Based on what you've said though it sounds like Winnie. That said the results from the two compounds don't differ vastly. So, again. Hard to say.

 

[SpicedCider]

Remember the time I told you cardio doesn’t lean you out, but weight training does, and that cardio in excess can keep you fatter...?

Yeah, that. Pretty sure this is tbol.

I do recall you saying that. It will be interesting to see if I can continue to look somewhat lean during the weeks following the conclusion of my cycle.

 

[SpicedCider]

If you was on winny for 8+ weeks ... you would probably have little synovial fluid, your joints would crack all over the place. Granted, this is not a must, but very likely. Can't be compared to low e2. Also I presume strength gains would be higher. And you could have acne, as winny is much more acne prone then tbol.

As for the vascularity, as Old Witch said, that's down to other factors. Dbol makes me more vascular then you are atm. Plus, you really aren't that vascular to begin with. So I wouldn't stress about it. Imo it's not winny.

Remember the time I told you cardio doesn’t lean you out, but weight training does, and that cardio in excess can keep you fatter...?

Yeah, that. Pretty sure this is tbol.

Yeah it really hard to say based on pics. Based on what you've said though it sounds like Winnie. That said the results from the two compounds don't differ vastly. So, again. Hard to say.

I will get some more pics ready to post later tonight (along with a couple befores), just for the heck of it. It's looking like my net weight change is +6-7 pounds, and I definitely look a lot leaner. Just out of curiosity, if you guys had to take a guess, how much of a difference in weight gain do you think there would have been if I had included a low dose of test, like 200 -250 mg/week?

What I'm looking at running this spring is a cycle of DHB, a low dose of test (want to minimize bloating and keep gains as lean as possible), and an oral taken either as a kicker or throughout the entire cycle (maybe Anavar or TBol). One of my reasons for including the test is because I will be going on a required two-week trip for school to a city with a fair number of large nightclubs and bars, so I want to... take advantage of the situation as it relates to interactions with girls, if you get what I'm saying. I'm a naturally reserved, meek, high-inhibition kind of guy, so I'm hoping that including test in my cycle will help to mitigate those psychological traits. However, if it would help with promoting gains as well, then that's even better.

Right now, I'm looking at using test prop since it is faster-acting and supposedly regarded for being less likely to promote bloating. I don't mind injecting more frequently, either, especially since it seems like (based on my research, at least) a lot of guys are able to inject low doses of test prop subQ.

 

[50Magnum]

Hcg is very easy to destroy so there’s always a chance you messed it up. Which sucks but it’s a harsh reality.

what makes you think I messed it up? I reconstituted the pregnyl very gently with BAC water; squirting the water slowly on the side. I dont get your logic; and first of all its not very easy to destroy its not like gh where I had dropped it on the floor after reconstituting and it still worked. The second bottle I got was Indian pharm grade premixed where it is only good for 30 days; that **** is either bad or got messed up during shipping. My balls during this cycle has not gotten smaller though; my FSH is the same as pre cycle it looks like; LH dipped a little down to 1 compared to 1.4 or so pre cycle; free test dropped from like 54 to 22 which is a lil more than 50%; so either the HCG is bunk or TBOL with Var is very very suppressive and HCG can't really do much. I'm not going to lie I've been kind of feeling tired the past few weeks(also havent been on pre workouts); but overall I don't feel to bad. Good thing is I good get pharm grade HCG or test now that with my insurance its mandatory for me to be prescribed TRT lol.