Best SARM/Oral AAS for Serious Cut

RickyBlobby said:
I know you weren't bro

Just stating that the stack burns fat like no other AND pulls water like no other. Sounds like a winner.
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Ya sorry, I threw that comment in there cos I know Chados loves/prefers winstrol and I didnt want him to think I was being deliberately antagonising.
 
Anyone who is in love with anavar for its leaning effect at about 50-60mg would be wise to try Methyldiazirinol at about the same dosage. More is better, up to 100mg, don’t get greedy. Same rules as anavar apply. I swear it’s the next best thing if not better. I’m stocking up. Big time.
 
Old Witch said:
Anyone who is in love with anavar for its leaning effect at about 50-60mg would be wise to try Methyldiazirinol at about the same dosage. More is better, up to 100mg, don’t get greedy. Same rules as anavar apply. I swear it’s the next best thing if not better. I’m stocking up. Big time.
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Is that a grey area drug? Or is that one of the designer steroids that was banned a couple years ago?
 
YoungThor said:
Is that a grey area drug? Or is that one of the designer steroids that was banned a couple years ago?
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I don’t see it listed, so it’s grey area. Azinol by Built, 300labz Xerx, DS Azavar, musclebuild Var, all methyldiazirinol. There was a product out called Methy D as well, which sounds more like the name of a mumble rapper, really.
 
Ok, ****, that one I listed as “musclebuild Var” is not what it’s called. The product is called VAR for sure, but the brand.... I lost the bookmark when I got a new tablet. Oh well. Interesting enough they had it listed as a sarm.
 
Old Witch said:
I don’t see it listed, so it’s grey area. Azinol by Built, 300labz Xerx, DS Azavar, musclebuild Var, all methyldiazirinol. There was a product out called Methy D as well, which sounds more like the name of a mumble rapper, really.
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Do you know anything about this drug in regard to its toxicity? Is it as mild or more mild than anavar? And have you run it?
 
YoungThor said:
Do you know anything about this drug in regard to its toxicity? Is it as mild or more mild than anavar? And have you run it?
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Want to say as mild, but it’s not like there’s a gazillion clinical trials on it the way there have been for anavar.

Tried it, twice now I think. It’s good.
 
Mass Muscle Nutrition VAR. Found it. Looks like they’ve gotten their site in order as well.
 
Nac said:
I dont care what Chados says about steroids not directly burning fat, but var absolutely sh1ts on winny for losing midsection fat, at least if youre an Average Joe Schmo not 4 weeks out from stepping on stage.

Pretty sure Spurfy could drop some science on this.
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It's not true but I respect your opinion :D
 
Low testosterone can make you gain fat. Putting someone on trt can lean them out a little even if their lifestyle remains basically the same. So I do believe androgens directly burn fat in some way. Certain androgens are obviously better than others. But this is just my opinion. Many of us have argued this on here before. I’m pretty sure it’s scientific fact that steroids speed up your metabolism. That alone causes fat loss.
 
Old Witch said:
Anyone who is in love with anavar for its leaning effect at about 50-60mg would be wise to try Methyldiazirinol at about the same dosage. More is better, up to 100mg, don’t get greedy. Same rules as anavar apply. I swear it’s the next best thing if not better. I’m stocking up. Big time.
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Very interesting...
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Well, yeah it kind of is.

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I'm talking about it being more efficient than winstrol, I'm not even gonna get in to that discussion again cause everyone already seem to know my take on it. Winstrol is one of the most used steroids in pro BB and that should speak for itself

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Chados said:
I'm talking about it being more efficient than winstrol, I'm not even gonna get in to that discussion again cause everyone already seem to know my take on it. Winstrol is one of the most used steroids in pro BB and that should speak for itself

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Perhaps you are confusing androgenic effects (side effects) of Winnie to actual fat loss.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Perhaps you are confusing androgenic effects (side effects) of Winnie to actual fat loss.
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I've tried both and I don't even put them in the same category. Finding studies on winstrol and fatloss is like finding studies on tren and fatloss, we know what they do but you won't find much about it because they are used for different things in medicin. it's waaaaaaay more used in pro BB than var. I don't mind people thinking differently.
 
Anavar vs testosterone and nandrolone for fat loss

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More on var and fat loss

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RickyBlobby said:
More on var and fat loss

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There are some problems with that.

1. Deca group was injected every two weeks
2. We don't know at what dosage
3. Deca is a bulker and it adds way more weight especially for obese people that probably didn't work out.
4. You should assume a greater fatloss the first 3 months obviously
5. Testosterone is arguably the worst anabolic and androgenic compound out there and anavar should trump it any day.

While deca had much better results than test it's really hard to look at that study and say you'd take anavar ahead of nandrolone especially if you're not on a good diet an working out cause then I would expect weight gain on deca but not really on var
 
I like the var and s4 combo.
I think you should go up as high as you can on the s4. When it does get good its pretty darn good for a sarm.
So your going no test base right?
Are u going to run a SERM?
 
Cgkone said:
I like the var and s4 combo.
I think you should go up as high as you can on the s4. When it does get good its pretty darn good for a sarm.
So your going no test base right?
Are u going to run a SERM?
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Yup S4 is really great. It's insanely good for muscle sparing.
 
Chados said:
There are some problems with that.

1. Deca group was injected every two weeks
2. We don't know at what dosage
3. Deca is a bulker and it adds way more weight especially for obese people that probably didn't work out.
4. You should assume a greater fatloss the first 3 months obviously
5. Testosterone is arguably the worst anabolic and androgenic compound out there and anavar should trump it any day.

While deca had much better results than test it's really hard to look at that study and say you'd take anavar ahead of nandrolone especially if you're not on a good diet an working out cause then I would expect weight gain on deca but not really on var
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Not sure what you are getting at. OP is torn between SARMS and var it seems. He is paranoid about hair loss so I think Winnie is out of the equation. Although I think Winnie and var would be awesome for tightening up
 
BarryBondsHOF said:
Imagine running both of those with tren. youd be lookin pretty freaky, wouldnt you? i imagine anyone would
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I bet a lot of pros go on stage running exactly this. Maybe a little masteron and proviron too but the tren Winnie and var is pulling the most weight
 
RickyBlobby said:
Not sure what you are getting at. OP is torn between SARMS and var it seems. He is paranoid about hair loss so I think Winnie is out of the equation. Although I think Winnie and var would be awesome for tightening up
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Nah nothing not questioning really but more curious since I find var being quicker more efficient while a nandrolone arguably would be much better with a diet and working out. Muclenass also increase metabolism you know.
 
Chados said:
Nah nothing not questioning really but more curious since I find var being quicker more efficient while a nandrolone arguably would be much better with a diet and working out. Muclenass also increase metabolism you know.

I'd go var primo or s4
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Chados said:
Chados said:
Nah nothing not questioning really but more curious since I find var being quicker more efficient while a nandrolone arguably would be much better with a diet and working out. Muclenass also increase metabolism you know.

I'd go var primo or s4
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He doesn't wanna pin. And if you k ow where to get good primo at a good price please PM me.
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Cgkone said:
I like the var and s4 combo.
I think you should go up as high as you can on the s4. When it does get good its pretty darn good for a sarm.
So your going no test base right?
Are u going to run a SERM?
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Yeah I’m 90% sure that’s the combo I want to use and I’m gonna try to get away without a test base. Maybe I’ll throw in torem on cycle but I wasn’t planning on it. I’m still a month or two away from running it so I have time to think about it.
 
Anavar is great for a cut to maintain muscle while in a calorie deficient state. I've ran it 40-80mg a day with amazing results and very little sides.
 
This is a long thread and I’m not going to read through all of it but if no one has said it, you need a test base.
 
Imsaint said:
This is a long thread and I’m not going to read through all of it but if no one has said it, you need a test base.
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Eh, there are a couple guys lately that have run orals along with a SERM and or HGC who claim to have not felt shut down the entire cycle. And rolled into a smooth PCT.
 
The S4 I’m thinking about getting is 50mg capsules so I’ll obviously be dosing only once a day. Is that okay? Most people recommend splitting the dose but I wonder if it matters that much.
 
YoungThor said:
The S4 I’m thinking about getting is 50mg capsules so I’ll obviously be dosing only once a day. Is that okay? Most people recommend splitting the dose but I wonder if it matters that much.
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It's fine. Same as steroids you rather split the dosages but to say youll notice much difference just isn't true.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Eh, there are a couple guys lately that have run orals along with a SERM and or HGC who claim to have not felt shut down the entire cycle. And rolled into a smooth PCT.
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I've ran oral only cycles and I don't feel any negative feelings at all. It's when I do longer injectible cycles or stronger cycles I can react badly. The only cycle I've really felt shut down ever has been with tren. Some people starts crying after a Tbol cycle after 4 weeks. Some people just react really bad to hormones.
 
jdm23 said:
I love rad. I’ve run it anywhere from 5mg to 20mg. I like 10mg best from a side/benefit ratio. With no base I feel great until about week 8 at 10mg and week 12 at 5mg.

I’m quick tempered naturally and below 15mg daily I actually feel more stable. Good gym aggression and drive but no anger.

Biggest side is BP, lipids, and increased blood cells. My total test went from 335 to 230 on 10mg for 8 weeks taking a serm. So even suppression isn’t terrible.
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Did you have bloodwork done after Rad that showed increased blood cells?
 
jdm23 said:
Yeah I don’t remember the numbers off the top of my head but I was getting nose bleeds and shortness of breath. A baby aspirin helped significantly though
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Interesting. I ran Rad at 30 mg for 8 weeks and had my Hematocrit tested since I am also on trt so I have to watch that. I had no increase with blood tests taken in between and immediately after cycle.
 
50mg anavar weeks 1-7
50mg s4 weeks 2-10
10mg mk677 weeks 1-10 + pct and beyond

So I’m pretty dead set on running these compounds this way. If I use some of my 15mg clomid tabs on cycle to help combat suppression, how should I go about dosing? 15mg eod? 30mg e3d? I’m not sure. What would you guys do?
 
Chados said:
There are some problems with that.

1. Deca group was injected every two weeks
2. We don't know at what dosage
3. Deca is a bulker and it adds way more weight especially for obese people that probably didn't work out.
4. You should assume a greater fatloss the first 3 months obviously
5. Testosterone is arguably the worst anabolic and androgenic compound out there and anavar should trump it any day.

While deca had much better results than test it's really hard to look at that study and say you'd take anavar ahead of nandrolone especially if you're not on a good diet an working out cause then I would expect weight gain on deca but not really on var
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Can you elaborate on point 5?

Genuinely interested. Thank you bro
 
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