Best SARM/Oral AAS for Serious Cut

[AndroRage]

If you’re going to run osta for its ability to retain muscle in a big deficit there’s definitely better options that’ll also help in other aspects during the cut. concerning rad and temper I never ever felt that and its my fifth time running it (at a high dose now). It’s a great addition to a cycle imo shouldn’t be your main compound for a cut tho. Edit: I’m really curious to see if some guys experienced that with rad tho, really not something I’ve read thru logs though

What are the better options than Ostarine that will help in other aspects during the cut? I’m guessing your referring to AAS? Or you means SARMs?
Thanks

 

[Chados]

Can you elaborate on point 5?

Genuinely interested. Thank you bro

Well it's the oldest steroids of them all, everything comes from testosterone by changing the structure of it. Testosterone is not illegal and not really considered a steroid. It's one of the safest and most natural steroids and its important in many cycles as a base. Anadrol, dbol, tren, deca, are just some that will blow test out of the water when it comes to adding muscles. A weaker steroid like primo will still be more effective for cutting, winstrol will shred you up far more and quicker etc.

If any of these steroids would have the benefits of test we wouldn't use test at all. It's not for the added muscle or the cutting cause there are much better options and that's why we often use trt dosage rather than a gram of test to let the better steroids create the physique.

 

[Old Witch]

Well it's the oldest steroids of them all, everything comes from testosterone by changing the structure of it. Testosterone is not illegal and not really considered a steroid. It's one of the safest and most natural steroids and its important in many cycles as a base. Anadrol, dbol, tren, deca, are just some that will blow test out of the water when it comes to adding muscles. A weaker steroid like primo will still be more effective for cutting, winstrol will shred you up far more and quicker etc.

If any of these steroids would have the benefits of test we wouldn't use test at all. It's not for the added muscle or the cutting cause there are much better options and that's why we often use trt dosage rather than a gram of test to let the better steroids create the physique.

Well... it is illegal without a prescription in the US...

 

[JoePaul39]

What are the better options than Ostarine that will help in other aspects during the cut? I’m guessing your referring to AAS? Or you means SARMs?
Thanks

S23 is undistiputablly the best Sarm for a cut. I did a 30 mg run for 8 weeks (although I was also taking other compounds too), lost 4 percent body fat and my lifts actually went up despite eating only 1500 calories a day. Got a shredded look while on it that people compare to Winstrol. It is liver toxic, thus it needs to be run with at least 1000 mg TUDCA a day. I also supplemented with NAC provided in Olympus Labs Arimicare Pro support supplement I took. Liver values came back fine. Need to be alert for any signs of yellow pee when taking it and discontinue if that happens as it potentially can be early signs of the onset of jaundice that some users have experienced. I must have a strong liver as I didn’t experience any of this. Also need a real test base like injectable testosterone to run at a cruise dose to avoid being shutdown while on it because otherwise it WILL shut you down much more than other Sarms.

 

[Renew1]

S23 is undistiputablly the best Sarm for a cut. I did a 30 mg run for 8 weeks (although I was also taking other compounds too), lost 4 percent body fat and my lifts actually went up despite eating only 1500 calories a day. Got a shredded look while on it that people compare to Winstrol. It is liver toxic, thus it needs to be run with at least 1000 mg TUDCA a day. I also supplemented with NAC provided in Olympus Labs Arimicare Pro support supplement I took. Liver values came back fine. Need to be alert for any signs of yellow pee when taking it and discontinue if that happens as it potentially can be early signs of the onset of jaundice that some users have experienced. I must have a strong liver as I didn’t experience any of this. Also need a real test base like injectable testosterone to run at a cruise dose to avoid being shutdown while on it because otherwise it WILL shut you down much more than other Sarms.

Just to clarify....
You will be shut down just as much (or more) when running a Test base.
But hopefully you'll feel better during your cycle.

 

[YoungThor]

Well it's the oldest steroids of them all, everything comes from testosterone by changing the structure of it. Testosterone is not illegal and not really considered a steroid. It's one of the safest and most natural steroids and its important in many cycles as a base. Anadrol, dbol, tren, deca, are just some that will blow test out of the water when it comes to adding muscles. A weaker steroid like primo will still be more effective for cutting, winstrol will shred you up far more and quicker etc.

If any of these steroids would have the benefits of test we wouldn't use test at all. It's not for the added muscle or the cutting cause there are much better options and that's why we often use trt dosage rather than a gram of test to let the better steroids create the physique.

I’d like to add that the 1:1 anabolic to androgenic ration also makes testosterone a sh!tty drug compared to other steroids.

 

[JoePaul39]

Just to clarify....
You will be shut down just as much (or more) when running a Test base.
But hopefully you'll feel better during your cycle.

If you are getting injectable trt Testosterone on cycle my levels tested at 1200 range on S24 which is above normal limits from 175 mg weekly injections, thus you are not “shut down” in the sense you would be if you weren’t pining and your natural production lowers down to 100 or 200 levels due to the compound run.

. Of course people on trt are permanently “shut down” in the sense they are no longer producing their own natural testosterone, but to clarify that was not the sense I was referring to when I said you wouldn’t be shut down. Talking about total test in your body being maintained on cycle which is what actually matters from a practical sense while on cycle, not if you can produce your own test which would be greatly diminished in production amyhow from the S23 so their personal production of test wouldn’t do the person much good anyhow.

 

[JoePaul39]

I’d like to add that the 1:1 anabolic to androgenic ration also makes testosterone a sh!tty drug compared to other steroids.

The advantage of injectable testosterone is not so much it’s strength, but it’s safety when compared to most oral steroids. That is why it is the steroid of choice that doctors prescribe for low t. It is tried and true.

 

[Old Witch]

The advantage of injectable testosterone is not so much it’s strength, but it’s safety when compared to most oral steroids. That is why it is the steroid of choice that doctors prescribe for low t. It is tried and true.

Well... sort of, it’s the only one that works as a full androgen replacement for 100% of men.

 

[Renew1]

If you are getting injectable trt Testosterone on cycle my levels tested at 1200 range on S24 which is above normal limits from 175 mg weekly injections, thus you are not “shut down” in the sense you would be if you weren’t pining and your natural production lowers down to 100 or 200 levels due to the compound run.

. Of course people on trt are permanently “shut down” in the sense they are no longer producing their own natural testosterone, but to clarify that was not the sense I was referring to when I said you wouldn’t be shut down. Talking about total test in your body being maintained on cycle which is what actually matters from a practical sense while on cycle, not if you can produce your own test which would be greatly diminished in production amyhow from the S23 so their personal production of test wouldn’t do the person much good anyhow.

When we talk about being "shut down" we are almost always (or Always) referring to natural Test production, as you cannot shut down exogenous Testosterone, because you are putting it in your body yourself.

These are extremely important facts for people to know, who aren't on TRT.

 

[JoePaul39]

When we talk about being "shut down" we are almost always (or Always) referring to natural Test production, as you cannot shut exogenous Testosterone production, because you are putting it in your body yourself.

These are extremely important facts for people to know, who aren't on TRT.

Guess I could have used better wording and avoided the word “shutdown” to describe what I was trying to communicate. Wasn’t trying to imply your body would still be producing test, but I can see when I use words like “won’t be shut down” somone can take that away as a conclusion of what I meant. I guess why I viewed the “shutdown” differently for trt is because rather than the test being internally produced by the person’s body it is externally imported by pinning so it is still present in the body on cycle. Sort of like if a corporation outsources their accounting division to a bookkeeping firm the accounting work is not stopped or “shutdown”, but created by a third party source. But your right that is not how people traditionally view the word “shutdown” for trt, thus I should avoid such word usage so people don’t take away the wrong idea and think they will still be producing their own test.

 

[Old Witch]

When we talk about being "shut down" we are almost always (or Always) referring to natural Test production, as you cannot shut exogenous Testosterone production, because you are putting it in your body yourself.

These are extremely important facts for people to know, who aren't on TRT.

The only ways a guy can attempt to avoid shutdown are by using milder compounds, lesser time on, lower doses, hcg and or serm WITH naltrexone on cycle (I can’t foresee serm on cycle ever doing the job by itself)

Test is a guarantee you’ll be LH=0 after some time. Other specific compounds (anavar) at anabolic doses (20mg 2x daily) without test may not cause this to happen for a much longer period, while also retaining male function etc, therefore when you go to pct you will (hopefully) recover much much more quickly.

Notice that I say attempt. There aren’t any guarantees other than all androgens are suppressive both to LH and testicular sensitivity to LH.

 

[Renew1]

Guess I could have used better wording and avoided the word “shutdown” to describe what I was trying to communicate. Wasn’t trying to imply your body would still be producing test, but I can see when I use words like “won’t be shut down” somone can take that away as a conclusion of what I meant. I guess why I viewed the “shutdown” differently for trt is because rather than the test being internally produced by the person’s body it is externally imported by pinning so it is still present in the body on cycle. Sort of like if a corporation outsources their accounting division to a bookkeeping firm the accounting work is not stopped or “shutdown”, but created by a third party source. But your right that is not how people traditionally view the word “shutdown” for trt, thus I should avoid such word usage so people don’t take away the wrong idea and think they will still be producing their own test.

Yeah, a surprising number of new guys believe that they can keep their body's own Testosterone production going by running a Test base. The opposite of how things work.

Thanks for the clarification brother.

 

[Old Witch]

It’s like this, you take a drug, your body tries to regulate. Right? Right.

So if the total androgenic and estrogenic load in the body is found by the hypothalamus to be within its (male) tolerance it will only lower the pituitary output of LH by a percentage rather than fully shutting it down.

If the total androgenic or estrogenic load is beyond that tolerance, LH will decrease, and continue to decline, until such time that it is insufficient to stimulate testicular hormone release.

The body is trying to reach homeostasis, as soon as it has a signal that it is fine at that level, it stays. This will be completely different for every person.

 

[JoePaul39]

Yeah, a surprising number of new guys believe that they can keep their body's own Testosterone production going by running a Test base. The opposite of how things work.

Thanks for the clarification brother.

Ya we are all new and ignorant once. And still now continue to learn on this forum from others with knowledge that can further advance our bodybuilding pursuits. That is what I like about the forum...constantly learning and acquiring useful new knowledge we can apply. When I first got on trt I thought I could avoid shutdown by taking hcg lol.

 

[Old Witch]

For the record, LH and the testes as well work on a pulsatile system, with the hypothalamus acting as the mediator of the levels on a yes/no or on/off basis. If androgen level=need, then GnRH pulse. For the pituitary, then he amount which is pulsed is based upon both its ability to produce and the total androgenic and estrogenic load (because they can desensitize it to gnrh directly as well, in fact just consider that everything will desensitize everything else over time) so if fully sensitive, pituitary pulse will be 100% if for the hypothalamus androgen=need. For the testes, if LH = 100% then pulse =100%, if LH= 50% then pulse may be as low as 20% or if in the presence of a 19 nor may be 0%.

So it drops off drastically in relation to LH, and how your body can use those levels is entirely dependent on you yourself, really a ton of factors.

So I hope that helps clear things up a little, I definitely wasn’t saying one can reasonably assume they aren’t shut down at any point without blood work to prove it.