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Best SARM/Oral AAS for Serious Cut

jdm23 said:
I love rad. I’ve run it anywhere from 5mg to 20mg. I like 10mg best from a side/benefit ratio. With no base I feel great until about week 8 at 10mg and week 12 at 5mg.

I’m quick tempered naturally and below 15mg daily I actually feel more stable. Good gym aggression and drive but no anger.

Biggest side is BP, lipids, and increased blood cells. My total test went from 335 to 230 on 10mg for 8 weeks taking a serm. So even suppression isn’t terrible.
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What SERM were you taking and at what dose
 
RickyBlobby said:
What SERM were you taking and at what dose
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Clomid at 25mg eod. My previous cycle of rad my test went down to 173 in 8 weeks so it helped me personally. It is worth noting I had low test prior to cycling, my baseline was 397 before my first ever sarm run so it may be different for someone with naturally better levels.
 
Old Witch said:
Anavar seems to be well enough tolerated by a healthy hpta that at reasonable doses over a prolonged period the body never fully shuts down, instead a new homeostasis is happening where the anavar replaces only part of the total androgen load and the testes still perform to provide the rest.

Not saying anything as to whether one might endeavor to do such an experiment or long term anavar cycle, I do not recommend trying such a thing. I have done such things, but like I said I don’t recommend it.
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I was thinking about doing Var at 40mg and Proviron at 50mg ed for 6-7 weeks, that should be a nice little stack for strength and very little suppression?
 
BBiceps said:
I was thinking about doing Var at 40mg and Proviron at 50mg ed for 6-7 weeks, that should be a nice little stack for strength and very little suppression?
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All that dosage of proviron is gonna do is make you get a boner haha, maybe make you a little harder in your body if you're shredded already.. It's an unnecessary expense if your looking to build muscles or shred up.
 
BBiceps said:
Yes, even though my blood work showed shutdown I never felt it in any way. To me, Clomid is king of all ;)
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BBiceps said:
I was thinking about doing Var at 40mg and Proviron at 50mg ed for 6-7 weeks, that should be a nice little stack for strength and very little suppression?
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I did that same cycle. I liked it a lot. I should mention I always on 200mg of test though. Got cut up real nice
 
What body fat percentage would var be best at? I hear some people saying it’s a waste for anyone over 12-13%. I bulked up and gained a good bit of fat lol I think I’m around 18% now so I don’t really know if it’d be beneficial.
 
Well, this fellow seems to have a differing opinion as to whether anavar is a viable option...

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Chados said:
All that dosage of proviron is gonna do is make you get a boner haha, maybe make you a little harder in your body if you're shredded already.. It's an unnecessary expense if your looking to build muscles or shred up.
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I was thinking it could get my free test up a little (which most studies show) and therefore help with strength, no?

I’m not expecting any crazy amount of strength, but I have no experience with Prov so I don’t really know how it works, being harder would be cool though, I can get it fairly cheap so it doesn’t really matter, as long as it benefit me I’m good with it :)
 
BBiceps said:
I was thinking it could get my free test up a little (which most studies show) and therefore help with strength, no?

I’m not expecting any crazy amount of strength, but I have no experience with Prov so I don’t really know how it works, being harder would be cool though, I can get it fairly cheap so it doesn’t really matter, as long as it benefit me I’m good with it :)
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Well I think it's on pair with masteron if you dose it at around 100-150 which is very expensive and masteron is deinifitely better for someone that has barely any fat on their bodies, same with proviron. Both anavar and winstrol are better than these two for building muscles and therefore better steroids, (more muscles, more metabolism). Winstrol would be the best cutter but a bit more harsh than var, winstrol is still a quite safe steroid and for some reason people think it's extremely bad for lipids which isn't true. Pretty much every oral at least bulkers like dbol, adrol etc will be harder on the body.

To answer your question, will it help? Sure but very little. To answer the other question, do you need to be lean for anavar? Nope because any steroid will have the same effect regardless of bodyfat. I wouldn't suggest a guy that has 300lbs of fat to run anything though because he wouldn't notice any difference on the body and arguably be in more danger of cholesterol BP etc, (he's gonna be stronger tho).. If you're 15% you might go down to 13, if you're 10% you might go down to 8. That's how steroids work.

Two guys at 150lbs one having 15% fat might need two cycles to get a full 8pack while the other guy at 10 only needs one. Granted diet, workout, genetics etc etc always plays a roll.
 
Chados said:
Well I think it's on pair with masteron if you dose it at around 100-150 which is very expensive and masteron is deinifitely better for someone that has barely any fat on their bodies, same with proviron. Both anavar and winstrol are better than these two for building muscles and therefore better steroids, (more muscles, more metabolism). Winstrol would be the best cutter but a bit more harsh than var, winstrol is still a quite safe steroid and for some reason people think it's extremely bad for lipids which isn't true. Pretty much every oral at least bulkers like dbol, adrol etc will be harder on the body.

To answer your question, will it help? Sure but very little. To answer the other question, do you need to be lean for anavar? Nope because any steroid will have the same effect regardless of bodyfat. I wouldn't suggest a guy that has 300lbs of fat to run anything though because he wouldn't notice any difference on the body and arguably be in more danger of cholesterol BP etc, (he's gonna be stronger tho).. If you're 15% you might go down to 13, if you're 10% you might go down to 8. That's how steroids work.

Two guys at 150lbs one having 15% fat might need two cycles to get a full 8pack while the other guy at 10 only needs one. Granted diet, workout, genetics etc etc always plays a roll.
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Good info, thanks!
 
Chados said:
Well I think it's on pair with masteron if you dose it at around 100-150 which is very expensive and masteron is deinifitely better for someone that has barely any fat on their bodies, same with proviron. Both anavar and winstrol are better than these two for building muscles and therefore better steroids, (more muscles, more metabolism). Winstrol would be the best cutter but a bit more harsh than var, winstrol is still a quite safe steroid and for some reason people think it's extremely bad for lipids which isn't true. Pretty much every oral at least bulkers like dbol, adrol etc will be harder on the body.

To answer your question, will it help? Sure but very little. To answer the other question, do you need to be lean for anavar? Nope because any steroid will have the same effect regardless of bodyfat. I wouldn't suggest a guy that has 300lbs of fat to run anything though because he wouldn't notice any difference on the body and arguably be in more danger of cholesterol BP etc, (he's gonna be stronger tho).. If you're 15% you might go down to 13, if you're 10% you might go down to 8. That's how steroids work.

Two guys at 150lbs one having 15% fat might need two cycles to get a full 8pack while the other guy at 10 only needs one. Granted diet, workout, genetics etc etc always plays a roll.
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Yeah I'm liking Winnie right now. I take 35-70mg a day and I've put on like 8 lbs and look like I've lost a few%BF. Not that I have. But I look like I have.

Strength isn't near as good as var though.

And I can tell it's freeing up a lot of test. Libido way up and more gyno sensitive
 
RickyBlobby said:
Yeah I'm liking Winnie right now. I take 35-70mg a day and I've put on like 8 lbs and look like I've lost a few%BF. Not that I have. But I look like I have.

Strength isn't near as good as var though.
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Yeah it's amazing how shredded you can be while gaining weight on winstrol, partly because it pulls water out of you. Many people like var for strength and its simply because it tends to pump your muscles with water. Two very similar yet very different compounds
 
Chados said:
Yeah it's amazing how shredded you can be while gaining weight on winstrol, partly because it pulls water out of you. Many people like var for strength and its simply because it tends to pump your muscles with water. Two very similar yet very different compounds
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Yeah I think this summer I'm gonna try trest mast Winnie and var. Winnie and var both about 50. That should be interesting
 
RickyBlobby said:
Yeah I think this summer I'm gonna try trest mast Winnie and var. Winnie and var both about 50. That should be interesting
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I'm not a huge fat on mast, lots of pimples and I have to run it so high. Stacking all three could definitely be something crazy though
 
RickyBlobby said:
Yeah I think this summer I'm gonna try trest mast Winnie and var. Winnie and var both about 50. That should be interesting
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You should shave your head bald for that cycle so that way you don’t even know if you’re technically shedding and won’t be worried about it.
 
Does anyone know the lowest effective dose of S4? I know a lot of people say it starts working at 50mg but supposedly that’s also when the vision sides kick in. I was wondering if there’s maybe a dose that’ll be effective but not cause vision issues. Maybe 40mg? Or is that too weak?

S4 used to get hyped a lot on here and it made me want to try it one day during a cut. Supposedly it’s a feel good compound too. But I don’t think I could feel too good while my vision is f*cked up.
 
YoungThor said:
You should shave your head bald for that cycle so that way you don’t even know if you’re technically shedding and won’t be worried about it.
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Lol.
 
Hey, I red alot of what was written here, and my question is: anything here recommended that does not shut you down or surpress you? For a natural 21 year old? (Lean bulk)
 
YoungThor said:
Does anyone know the lowest effective dose of S4? I know a lot of people say it starts working at 50mg but supposedly that’s also when the vision sides kick in. I was wondering if there’s maybe a dose that’ll be effective but not cause vision issues. Maybe 40mg? Or is that too weak?

S4 used to get hyped a lot on here and it made me want to try it one day during a cut. Supposedly it’s a feel good compound too. But I don’t think I could feel too good while my vision is f*cked up.
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In for knowledge on this^^^ I know we're all different but I'd like to hear people's opinion on lowest effective dose/ best results to sides dose. Thinking about a trest cycle with a phera kicker and end with S4
 
TheSuppGuy said:
Hey, I red alot of what was written here, and my question is: anything here recommended that does not shut you down or surpress you? For a natural 21 year old? (Lean bulk)
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Things like anafuse,Vector etc. Anything else that play with your hormones (even a little) is gonna supress you to a degree
 
jameschoi said:
How much lean mass have you gained with 4 bottles.
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I don't know. But this last cycle of it, I trained super hard and heavy, and ate like crazy (also alot of junk). Would have been better to lean bulk for longer. After lika 3 days or so of taking eat and increasing calories, you will instantly get stronger, due to alot of water retention. You will feel you have so much power when not working out, so when you do work out you push alot of weight. I only weigh around 81-82kgs and I benched 130kgs for 4 reps, and I'm not even 21 yet. People say they have better sleep on it, I don't. I get alot of vivid dreams etc.
 
TheSuppGuy said:
I don't know. But this last cycle of it, I trained super hard and heavy, and ate like crazy (also alot of junk). Would have been better to lean bulk for longer. After lika 3 days or so of taking eat and increasing calories, you will instantly get stronger, due to alot of water retention. You will feel you have so much power when not working out, so when you do work out you push alot of weight. I only weigh around 81-82kgs and I benched 130kgs for 4 reps, and I'm not even 21 yet. People say they have better sleep on it, I don't. I get alot of vivid dreams etc.
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Any coupon code for it right now?
 
What’s everyone’s thoughts on me doing something like this. I might run S4 for 10 weeks at 50mg and add anavar at 50mg for the last 4 weeks. My body fat is too high to run anavar right now. I could use S4 to help me in this cut and then add the anavar when I’ve already made significant progress. It’s just an idea I’m throwing around. The dosage and time frames could be different but I’m definitely considering running S4 and anavar. Oh, and I’ll be on 10mg of mk677 the whole time too. I’ll be taking that for a while.
 
You'd lose more fat and keep more muscle running the var and S4 concurrently IMO
 
S4 yellow vision is not a big deal. It's just a soft yellow tint over all your eyesight. Some lighting appears brighter than usual. It goes away 48 hrs after stopping s4.
 
I'm going to run s4 and mithras low dose on both for a 8 weeks cut. I don't care if I gains size. I just want to retain nearly all muscle during loss of 3% to 4% bf.
 
YoungThor said:
What’s everyone’s thoughts on me doing something like this. I might run S4 for 10 weeks at 50mg and add anavar at 50mg for the last 4 weeks. My body fat is too high to run anavar right now. I could use S4 to help me in this cut and then add the anavar when I’ve already made significant progress. It’s just an idea I’m throwing around. The dosage and time frames could be different but I’m definitely considering running S4 and anavar. Oh, and I’ll be on 10mg of mk677 the whole time too. I’ll be taking that for a while.
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I don't see any problem with that set up.
But I really dont think that your body fat is too high for Var. Var can only increase your body's ability to keep/build muscle with proper diet/calories.
 
dvw said:
S4 yellow vision is not a big deal. It's just a soft yellow tint over all your eyesight. Some lighting appears brighter than usual. It goes away 48 hrs after stopping s4.
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Yeah, but it can make night time driving a bit nervous. And walking inaide after being out in the sun for a bit, i was damn near blind for a couple minutes until my eyes adjusted.
 
YoungThor said:
What’s everyone’s thoughts on me doing something like this. I might run S4 for 10 weeks at 50mg and add anavar at 50mg for the last 4 weeks. My body fat is too high to run anavar right now. I could use S4 to help me in this cut and then add the anavar when I’ve already made significant progress. It’s just an idea I’m throwing around. The dosage and time frames could be different but I’m definitely considering running S4 and anavar. Oh, and I’ll be on 10mg of mk677 the whole time too. I’ll be taking that for a while.
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Anavar for 4 weeks is not enough you’ll miss the best. 8-12 weeks
 
I dont care what Chados says about steroids not directly burning fat, but var absolutely sh1ts on winny for losing midsection fat, at least if youre an Average Joe Schmo not 4 weeks out from stepping on stage.

Pretty sure Spurfy could drop some science on this.
 
Nac said:
I dont care what Chados says about steroids not directly burning fat, but var absolutely sh1ts on winny for losing midsection fat, at least if youre an Average Joe Schmo not 4 weeks out from stepping on stage.

Pretty sure Spurfy could drop some science on this.
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I agree. And I also believe winny is superior for pulling water out of your midsection.

I'm gonna do 50 var 50 winny for 8 weeks during water park season. Should be a mean stack for shredding.
 
RickyBlobby said:
I agree. And I also believe winny is superior for pulling water out of your midsection.

I'm gonna do 50 var 50 winny for 8 weeks during water park season. Should be a mean stack for shredding.
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Yes! Im obviously not saying winny is rubbish.
 
Nac said:
Yes! Im obviously not saying winny is rubbish.
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I know you weren't bro

Just stating that the stack burns fat like no other AND pulls water like no other. Sounds like a winner.
 
Nac said:
I dont care what Chados says about steroids not directly burning fat, but var absolutely sh1ts on winny for losing midsection fat, at least if youre an Average Joe Schmo not 4 weeks out from stepping on stage.

Pretty sure Spurfy could drop some science on this.
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Var directly and potently burns belly fat. I’ve posted studies on this before.

Var with caffeine are the only compounds I use for cutting.
 
Spurfy said:
Var directly and potently burns belly fat. I’ve posted studies on this before.

Var with caffeine are the only compounds I use for cutting.
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Mechanism of action? Does it activate AR in the fat cells or...
 
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