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Best SARM/Oral AAS for Serious Cut

YoungThor

YoungThor

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So I’m doing a pretty serious cut. I’d like to lose about 25 pounds. I’m intermittent fasting (16:8) most days and also eating a carnivore diet some days, and a ketogenic diet other days. I’m on 10mg of mk677 for anti-catabolic effects and to aid in fat oxidation.

So I’m considering throwing in a low to moderate dose of a sarm to help me in this cut. I’d also consider a low dose of an oral AAS. I’m not looking for crazy results, just a little strength and energy boost for this cut. It doesn’t have to be a full blown cycle with multiple compounds and a test base or anything like that. However I will be running a proper pct. Obviously AAS will provide better results but maybe I should just use a weak sarm to help me cut since I still believe sarms come with less risk. So if you had to pick one compound for this purpose, what would you pick?
 
Anavar. Covers all bases (muscle retention even on aggressive deficit, minimal strength loss, minimal sides, good pumps).
 
There’s a real nice fella running around here somewhere that has a great beginner’s cut stack on his website. And his website has Phil heath’s picture, so you know it’s legit. I think he says a good starter cut stack is primo, Masteron, Anavar and winstrol. Plus some fish oil.
 
If you wanna go into sarms and want something big, going low to moderate dose won’t do much for you imo. What kind of budget we talking here? Last year I did anavar/rad/GW and it was awesome. I added proviron in it too but that’s not necessary I just like it
 
Mathb33 said:
If you wanna go into sarms and want something big, going low to moderate dose won’t do much for you imo. What kind of budget we talking here? Last year I did anavar/rad/GW and it was awesome. I added proviron in it too but that’s not necessary I just like it
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Im just looking for one compound. Anavar or maybe rad sounds like a decent idea. I’d say 100 bucks is my cap but I’d like to go lower than that if I can.
 
Var is great, but it won't necessarily give you energy. It makes some people lethargic (not myself).
 
YoungThor said:
Im just looking for one compound. Anavar or maybe rad sounds like a decent idea. I’d say 100 bucks is my cap but I’d like to go lower than that if I can.
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Rad is a good addition to a cutting cycle but solo there is def better options. If you want to run only 1 compound then anavar or winstrol
 
Although it seems to be losing popularity, I really like Ostarine at around 25mg on a cut. As yet I haven't ran into any sides (other than slight suppression) when using it. I've found it helps to retain muscle mass even in a severe deficit and always seems to have new feeling good, this could absolutely be a placebo but I like it none the less.
 
RusTLad said:
Although it seems to be losing popularity, I really like Ostarine at around 25mg on a cut. As yet I haven't ran into any sides (other than slight suppression) when using it. I've found it helps to retain muscle mass even in a severe deficit and always seems to have new feeling good, this could absolutely be a placebo but I like it none the less.
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osta at 25mg is gonna help to retain muscle but that’s about it... 25mg is a fairly low dose
 
I didn't lose any muscle or strength cutting with ostarine (which is definitely different from what usually happens when I cut) but it did nothing whatsoever to burn fat the way other anabolics (epi, var, winny, tren, etc.) are supposed to.
 
BarryScott said:
I didn't lose any muscle or strength cutting with ostarine (which is definitely different from what usually happens when I cut) but it did nothing whatsoever to burn fat the way other anabolics (epi, var, winny, tren, etc.) are supposed to.
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exactly that
 
I tried ostarine once but abandoned the cycle pretty quickly because of issues that I now think were mostly psychosomatic. I just wasn’t ready to run a PED back then but I have considered trying it again since it should definitely preserve muscle and I believe it doesn’t pose any kind of serious androgenic side effect risks. And it’s super cheap on some sites.

For those who’ve tried rad, how did it effect you emotionally? I’ve heard it makes some people quick tempered. How about anavar? As far as mental effects go, I’d like this cycle to either be a “feel good” cycle or leave me at my base line. I’m pretty mentally stable right now and I don’t want an anabolic drug to mess with that the way yk11 did. That stuff has intense mental sides in my experience.
 
If you’re going to run osta for its ability to retain muscle in a big deficit there’s definitely better options that’ll also help in other aspects during the cut. concerning rad and temper I never ever felt that and its my fifth time running it (at a high dose now). It’s a great addition to a cycle imo shouldn’t be your main compound for a cut tho. Edit: I’m really curious to see if some guys experienced that with rad tho, really not something I’ve read thru logs though
 
YoungThor said:
Shyt I always thought anavar was pretty hair friendly. Do you know how tbol compares to those two in that regard?
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Tbol isn’t a dht, so it’s going to be much easier on the hairline than either. Anavar is generally regarded as the more mild, this is true, however that’s not an absolute and it might still turn you into Hulk Hogan.

Incidentally, that was winstrol.
 
YoungThor said:
Shyt I always thought anavar was pretty hair friendly. Do you know how tbol compares to those two in that regard?
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Var is a dht but is not androgenic at all. Therefore it will be one of the friendliest on the hairline. IP has some good var, I've used it and have another bottle in my fridge for the summer.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Var is a dht but is not androgenic at all. Therefore it will be one of the friendliest on the hairline. IP has some good var, I've used it and have another bottle in my fridge for the summer.
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Nice. I’m thinking I might try his anavar. That’s at the top of my list for what I might try next. But I’ve always been interested in tbol for sure. I’ve heard people claim anavar has some kind of effect on fat oxidation that other orals don’t. That could be bro science though.
 
YoungThor said:
Nice. I’m thinking I might try his anavar. That’s at the top of my list for what I might try next. But I’ve always been interested in tbol for sure. I’ve heard people claim anavar has some kind of effect on fat oxidation that other orals don’t. That could be bro science though.
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Yeah, var works great during a cut. Strength gains are crazy too. Even on a deficit.
 
johnny412 said:
IP?
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Wondering the same. DM me if you find out.

Quick question - If somebody uses var or winny without a test base, how long (and what dose) would be acceptable before you're shutdown?

In contrast to a solo SARM cycle it sounds like you could run 25 mg of osta for 8-12 weeks without shutdown, but with an AAS at the same time frame , you would be shutdown? Hopefully my question makes sense.
 
Thejoggernot said:
Wondering the same. DM me if you find out.

Quick question - If somebody uses var or winny without a test base, how long (and what dose) would be acceptable before you're shutdown?

In contrast to a solo SARM cycle it sounds like you could run 25 mg of osta for 8-12 weeks without shutdown, but with an AAS at the same time frame , you would be shutdown? Hopefully my question makes sense.
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BBiceps ran a SERM during his var cycle and stated he never felt shut down, sex drive was high throughout, etc
 
Thejoggernot said:
Wondering the same. DM me if you find out.

Quick question - If somebody uses var or winny without a test base, how long (and what dose) would be acceptable before you're shutdown?

In contrast to a solo SARM cycle it sounds like you could run 25 mg of osta for 8-12 weeks without shutdown, but with an AAS at the same time frame , you would be shutdown? Hopefully my question makes sense.
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8-12 weeks of osta might not completely shut you down but it’s possible. It’ll definitely suppress you a lot.

The length of time that most people run particular oral AAS has less to do with shutdown and more to do with toxicity. You should go into an AAS cycle with the expectation that you will be shutdown by the end or at least very suppressed. It’s almost unavoidable. Some people recommend using a SERM on cycle to help avoid shutdown. There’s a thread about it. I’m not sure what the current consensus is on that in terms of its effectiveness.
 
Thejoggernot said:
Wondering the same. DM me if you find out.

Quick question - If somebody uses var or winny without a test base, how long (and what dose) would be acceptable before you're shutdown?

In contrast to a solo SARM cycle it sounds like you could run 25 mg of osta for 8-12 weeks without shutdown, but with an AAS at the same time frame , you would be shutdown? Hopefully my question makes sense.
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A "Test base" won't keep you from getting shut down, it can only increase shutdown.
But it can make you feel better when you are shut down.
 
I’ll probably run var for 8 weeks, maybe slightly less. What dose would you recommend for my purpose? About 50mg a day?
 
Solo anavar is going to be probably the least suppressive traditional oral aas you could use. 90 days at 40mg, Dr Rand says even with no pct, you should bounce right back from that if you’re young. I am not going to say don’t pct off anavar, that would be silly. Definitely pct. you don’t want to go gaining all that fat back. Fat gains are not GAINZ.
 
Anavar seems to be well enough tolerated by a healthy hpta that at reasonable doses over a prolonged period the body never fully shuts down, instead a new homeostasis is happening where the anavar replaces only part of the total androgen load and the testes still perform to provide the rest.

Not saying anything as to whether one might endeavor to do such an experiment or long term anavar cycle, I do not recommend trying such a thing. I have done such things, but like I said I don’t recommend it.
 
Old Witch said:
Anavar seems to be well enough tolerated by a healthy hpta that at reasonable doses over a prolonged period the body never fully shuts down, instead a new homeostasis is happening where the anavar replaces only part of the total androgen load and the testes still perform to provide the rest.

Not saying anything as to whether one might endeavor to do such an experiment or long term anavar cycle, I do not recommend trying such a thing. I have done such things, but like I said I don’t recommend it.
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Where do you buy it at
 
Fx4life said:
Methyldiazirinol > anavar
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For size & strength, absolutely; for price, absolutely, for sides... maybe. The thing is you’re still going to want to use quite a big dose and I’m pretty damn sure it’s more suppressive over a short period.
 
Renew1 said:
A "Test base" won't keep you from getting shut down, it can only increase shutdown.
But it can make you feel better when you are shut down.
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Righto- was simply asking as I would hate to be completely shutdown and feeling like **** because I didn't run a base. Thanks for the answers to this btw guys ! :)
 
YoungThor said:
I don’t run steroids that I can’t pronounce. But seriously, I haven’t even heard of that.
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Where were you during all those threads this summer where I was like **** anavar use azinol? It’s good stuff, but you’re going to want upwards of 60mgs or more.
 
Old Witch said:
Solo anavar is going to be probably the least suppressive traditional oral aas you could use. 90 days at 40mg, Dr Rand says even with no pct, you should bounce right back from that if you’re young. I am not going to say don’t pct off anavar, that would be silly. Definitely pct. you don’t want to go gaining all that fat back. Fat gains are not GAINZ.
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What pct with anavar?
 
YoungThor said:
I tried ostarine once but abandoned the cycle pretty quickly because of issues that I now think were mostly psychosomatic. I just wasn’t ready to run a PED back then but I have considered trying it again since it should definitely preserve muscle and I believe it doesn’t pose any kind of serious androgenic side effect risks. And it’s super cheap on some sites.

For those who’ve tried rad, how did it effect you emotionally? I’ve heard it makes some people quick tempered. How about anavar? As far as mental effects go, I’d like this cycle to either be a “feel good” cycle or leave me at my base line. I’m pretty mentally stable right now and I don’t want an anabolic drug to mess with that the way yk11 did. That stuff has intense mental sides in my experience.
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I love rad. I’ve run it anywhere from 5mg to 20mg. I like 10mg best from a side/benefit ratio. With no base I feel great until about week 8 at 10mg and week 12 at 5mg.

I’m quick tempered naturally and below 15mg daily I actually feel more stable. Good gym aggression and drive but no anger.

Biggest side is BP, lipids, and increased blood cells. My total test went from 335 to 230 on 10mg for 8 weeks taking a serm. So even suppression isn’t terrible.
 
Let's just throw tren, trest etc out of the options.

Primo->winstrol->anavar.

Even if tren is an option primo is better but it's expensive and on the verge of being useless as a bulker

You'd have to take quite a lot oral primo though because a lot will be destroyed by the liver so not the best option.
 
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