4-Andro

Probably chaos and pain Chemical 4. It’s got esterified 4 andro for a build-up effect and fadogia agrestis to keep your nuts from shrinking.

If you’d rather go old school, fusion supplements Androtest is real 4-AD.
 
CorpKiller said:
Who carries the best 4-Andro these days? Not sure if this breaks the rules, if so please delete.
Thanks
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I had a good run with a couple brands. And I know a guy (really well) who has a still sealed bottle of andro the giant he would let go for uber cheap!
 
Can anyone shed light on why these compounds are different? I thought they were both 4-AD used for test!

Andro the giant
4-androstene 3b-ol, 17-one. 110mg

Fusion androtest
Cyclodextrin 4-ADiol Complex 125mg

I am trying to get my head round all these compounds but there are so many it’s difficult to know what’s what.
 
Andro the giant
4-androstene 3b-ol, 17-one. 110mg

Fusion androtest
Cyclodextrin 4-ADiol Complex 125mg

Can anyone tell me which compound would be better as a test base for a tbol cycle??
 
Sheriff Morri said:
Andro the giant
4-androstene 3b-ol, 17-one. 110mg

Fusion androtest
Cyclodextrin 4-ADiol Complex 125mg

Can anyone tell me which compound would be better as a test base for a tbol cycle??
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4andro is a 2 step conversion to testosterone. It is currently legal in the US

4ad is a 1 step conversion to test. It is currently illegal in the US....far better test base for a cycle
 
Sheriff Morri said:
Can anyone shed light on why these compounds are different? I thought they were both 4-AD used for test!

Andro the giant
4-androstene 3b-ol, 17-one. 110mg

Fusion androtest
Cyclodextrin 4-ADiol Complex 125mg

I am trying to get my head round all these compounds but there are so many it’s difficult to know what’s what.
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I know what you mean. The nomenclature can be confusing.
 
Also can anyone explain to me what 1-AD is and the difference between that and 4-AD.

I’m in the UK, is 1-AD still legal here and can anyone give me an example product of it?
 
Old Witch said:
Probably chaos and pain Chemical 4. It’s got esterified 4 andro for a build-up effect and fadogia agrestis to keep your nuts from shrinking.

If you’d rather go old school, fusion supplements Androtest is real 4-AD.
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Thanks for the Choas and Pain shoutout
I love our chemical 4
 
I've personally used Blackstone Labs & Hi-tech pharmaceuticals 1/4 ad. Great results on both. pricey seeing as your average PROPERLY DOSED beginner cycle will range between $300-$700-$1000 ($1000, would be if you were taking like 500 mg+ of it a day)
 
Sheriff Morri said:
Also can anyone explain to me what 1-AD is and the difference between that and 4-AD.

I’m in the UK, is 1-AD still legal here and can anyone give me an example product of it?
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Yes. Anabolic Edge 1-AD from jtsupplements

4AD converts to test and has a short half life ~4 hrs

1AD converts to 1-Test or DHB and has a half life of about nine hours.
 
Tyler0628 said:
I've personally used Blackstone Labs & Hi-tech pharmaceuticals 1/4 ad. Great results on both. pricey seeing as your average PROPERLY DOSED beginner cycle will range between $300-$700-$1000 ($1000, would be if you were taking like 500 mg+ of it a day)
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The blackstone stuff is multi estered. I had assumed you would need a little less of that. I used the hi tech and Olympus Labs unestered Andros earlier this year. Good effects, crummy results, personally.

Still, a proper cycle of Andros will cost a great deal more than some methylated steroid stack or some vials of test, that’s for sure.
 
Old Witch said:
The blackstone stuff is multi estered. I had assumed you would need a little less of that. I used the hi tech and Olympus Labs unestered Andros earlier this year. Good effects, crummy results, personally.

Still, a proper cycle of Andros will cost a great deal more than some methylated steroid stack or some vials of test, that’s for sure.
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100% agreed on the vial of test. - You can snag those for around $70 for a 5-10 week cycle depending on dosage. you really dont need much support except an AI and maybe HGC.

In response to Old Witch - No one needs that much 1/4 andro anyways! haha! if youre doing that much, you should be just using test. - but no, ive used 375 (4) / 440 (1) - had good results both times,- didnt need that much, but i figured why not since i had $. but i was in the gym for 3 hours every day, had all my precautions in place, pct was stellar and i ate perfectly clean and did tests for my resting metabolism every month.
 
Tyler0628 said:
100% agreed on the vial of test. - You can snag those for around $70 for a 5-10 week cycle depending on dosage. you really dont need much support except an AI and maybe HGC.

In response to Old Witch - No one needs that much 1/4 andro anyways! haha! if youre doing that much, you should be just using test. - but no, ive used 375 (4) / 440 (1) - had good results both times,- didnt need that much, but i figured why not since i had $. but i was in the gym for 3 hours every day, had all my precautions in place, pct was stellar and i ate perfectly clean and did tests for my resting metabolism every month.
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They’re cheaper than that but yeah.
 
4ad is testosterone. It will convert to estro, so its a good udea to have adex or aromasin on hand.

1ad is 1-testosterone. Meaning it is bonded on carbon 1 instead of carbon 4. This WILL NOT convert to estro, period. But because its an exogeneous supplementation of testosterone, it will shut down your system if you dont use a yest base. (4ad / andro - or testosterone)

Hope that helps.
 
Tyler0628 said:
4ad is testosterone. It will convert to estro, so its a good udea to have adex or aromasin on hand.

1ad is 1-testosterone. Meaning it is bonded on carbon 1 instead of carbon 4. This WILL NOT convert to estro, period. But because its an exogeneous supplementation of testosterone, it will shut down your system if you dont use a yest base. (4ad / andro - or testosterone)

Hope that helps.
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It will still shut you down, but the base will help the sides a little while on cycle.
 
Sheriff Morri said:
Does 4-AD convert to estrogen more than 1-AD causing more sides?
Old Witch the nano 1T you recommended to me before, is that a suitable test base product??
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The 1-T in nano 1-T is what 1AD converts into. Some argue one thing or another about the oral efficacy of each over the other. They’re both pretty strong. 1AD products tend to give higher doses overall. And 1AD is active before conversion.

It’s not test, it’s DHB, so it doesn’t work as a test base, but a lot of guys tolerate it well as far as lethargy goes. For some it’s a real bastard. Personally I always felt like it gave me some pep.
 
The DHB products are going to be arguably the least sides of any AAS you could use.
 
Sheriff Morri said:
Also can anyone explain to me what 1-AD is and the difference between that and 4-AD.

I’m in the UK, is 1-AD still legal here and can anyone give me an example product of it?
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If your in the UK look for Advanced Pharma Venom not used myself but works out very reasonable each cap has 150mg cyclo 4ad and 200mg 1,4-androstadiene-3b ,
 
IME I found the 1ad products to give superior results to the 1-t....this is excluding methyl 1-t of course. Always had solid keepable gainz with 1ad right up there with the newer methylated ds. Always needed a short afternoon nap but other than that is was a painless compound.
 
Old Witch said:
The 1-T in nano 1-T is what 1AD converts into. Some argue one thing or another about the oral efficacy of each over the other. They’re both pretty strong. 1AD products tend to give higher doses overall. And 1AD is active before conversion.

It’s not test, it’s DHB, so it doesn’t work as a test base, but a lot of guys tolerate it well as far as lethargy goes. For some it’s a real bastard. Personally I always felt like it gave me some pep.
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How much DHB would you get though I thought this converts to Bold ,then in turn a small amount would then convert directly to DHB , what dosages would you need to see results
 
My whole thought behind the 1-AD and the 4-AD was to run it along with my tbol cycle as a test base to help with lethargy and obviously to help with any gains!

In going to find it hard to inject as my wife is very against me takin steroids. But I just don’t see any of these compounds being an ideal test base (unless I’m missing something).
 
Sheriff Morri said:
My whole thought behind the 1-AD and the 4-AD was to run it along with my tbol cycle as a test base to help with lethargy and obviously to help with any gains!

In going to find it hard to inject as my wife is very against me takin steroids. But I just don’t see any of these compounds being an ideal test base (unless I’m missing something).
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What’s wrong with 4AD?
 
City Boy said:
How much DHB would you get though I thought this converts to Bold ,then in turn a small amount would then convert directly to DHB , what dosages would you need to see results
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Well, none of it will convert to boldenone. It’s going to either stay as is and get metabolized from there or convert to 1-T. I think something like 30%.
 
Sheriff Morri said:
Is 4-Andro and 4-AD different compounds or is AD just short for Andro?
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Here's the deal....4ad came out maybe 2001 ish. Might be a bit off but its close....4ad converts directly to testosterone in the body. This was in the heyday of ph/ds. Back in the day where you could drive to your local supp shop and walk out with superdrol, tren like ph/ds, and injectable dhb. Shortly after the ban came and swept up much of our beloved compounds....so the next generation started production. That's where the dhea products showed up some time after that (4andro, 1andro) these were made to fit the same bill however they didnt directly convert to the target compound...they were 2 steps away. Much less efficient, not nearly the same results. So today that leaves us with subpar andros legal in the US and the good stuff (4ad, 1ad) still available in the UK. If you can get the "ad" instead of the "andro" compounds you'd be a fool not to.
 
bigbeaph said:
Here's the deal....4ad came out maybe 2001 ish. Might be a bit off but its close....4ad converts directly to testosterone in the body. This was in the heyday of ph/ds. Back in the day where you could drive to your local supp shop and walk out with superdrol, tren like ph/ds, and injectable dhb. Shortly after the ban came and swept up much of our beloved compounds....so the next generation started production. That's where the dhea products showed up some time after that (4andro, 1andro) these were made to fit the same bill however they didnt directly convert to the target compound...they were 2 steps away. Much less efficient, not nearly the same results. So today that leaves us with subpar andros legal in the US and the good stuff (4ad, 1ad) still available in the UK. If you can get the "ad" instead of the "andro" compounds you'd be a fool not to.
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Wow man, thanks for that. Excellent explanation.
 
Sheriff Morri said:
So as a test base for t-Bol, would 1-ad or 4-ad be recommended???
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4ad would be the only real test base out of the 2...
4ad -> testosterone
1ad -> 1-testosterone / dhb
 
Fusion androtest per tab is
Cyclodextrin 4-ADiol Complex 125mg

How should I dose this compound per day???

Anyone in the UK have any other options rather than androtest???
 
Sheriff Morri said:
Fusion androtest per tab is
Cyclodextrin 4-ADiol Complex 125mg

How should I dose this compound per day???

Anyone in the UK have any other options rather than androtest???
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Back in the day ergopharm made 300mg caps and you'd take 3-4 a day....so 900-1200mg daily. Hopefully someone that's used androtest can chime in - maybe the delivery system is good enough you can cut that dose way down?....at 9 caps a day that would cost some $$$
 
bigbeaph said:
Back in the day ergopharm made 300mg caps and you'd take 3-4 a day....so 900-1200mg daily. Hopefully someone that's used androtest can chime in - maybe the delivery system is good enough you can cut that dose way down?....at 9 caps a day that would cost some $$$
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At that cost I would just take the risk of my wife catching me injecting myself hahahahaha
 
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