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If calling out Bush for what he is from his time as a Diplomat in China dealing with Mao Zedong (arguably worse than Hitler) to CIA to is war atrocities in the Gulf among many other mass murdering policies and my firm stance in defending human rights causes millions of people to think Im trash it was all worth it to me so thank you.
 
Trump's a fraud and many of his supporters are hypocrites and misinformed on facts. His supporters are loyal because they seem to believe that questioning him is tantamount to saying that Obama or Hillary was correct, even if what he says is an obvious lie. They're willing to go against the Constitution and existing laws to support what is usually a personal issue for Trump.

Pushing back on liberal policies by Republicans isn't new. The only way that Trump hits back differently is by tweeting about it, which shows that his supporters get distracted easily. He talks a lot and loudly, but doesn't follow through on anything because he can't focus for more than a few minutes.

to be honest I get blindsided by my dislike of liberals and liberal policies...many times I might even agree with liberals but I dislike them so much I can't justify agreeing with them on anything...it is what it is.
 

I don't think you know the definition of trash, and I want to help.

On the anniversary of a mass shooting where journalists died; one of them ran at the gunment with a trash can in order to distract him so some of her colleagues could get away. He [Trump] calls the media "An enemy of the people" again, and again. He has no empathy for anyone.

Read this tweet thread:
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Let's try to keep the insults to relevance.
 
I don't think you know the definition of trash, and I want to help.

On the anniversary of a mass shooting where journalists died; one of them ran at the gunment with a trash can in order to distract him so some of her colleagues could get away. He [Trump] calls the media "An enemy of the people" again, and again. He has no empathy for anyone.

Read this tweet thread:
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Let's try to keep the insults to relevance.
Have I ever, at any time, shared support of Trump in here?

Didn't think so.
 
to be honest I get blindsided by my dislike of liberals and liberal policies...many times I might even agree with liberals but I dislike them so much I can't justify agreeing with them on anything...it is what it is.

yeah, but you admit it! That's not the case with most.
 
If calling out Bush for what he is from his time as a Diplomat in China dealing with Mao Zedong (arguably worse than Hitler) to CIA to is war atrocities in the Gulf among many other mass murdering policies and my firm stance in defending human rights causes millions of people to think Im trash it was all worth it to me so thank you.
What are you doing to defend human rights? Nothing? Posting on internet forums is doing exactly nothing.

Bush dedicated his life to service. He didn't always make the best choices, but no one does. However, he did more for this country and other people than you do.
 
What are you doing to defend human rights? Nothing? Posting on internet forums is doing exactly nothing.

Bush dedicated his life to service. He didn't always make the best choices, but no one does. However, he did more for this country and other people than you do.

Good so now is your opportunity to walk the walk and go away from here, there is no point.

I will continue. Bush Sr. is evil, so is his father and son. They all dedicated their lives to mass murder. They dedicated their lives to mass death. They did not dedicate their lives to our country and the US Constitution.
 
Doing nothing is far better than being a terrorist, which historically B.Sr. was.

But he served his country.

But he's an old man, they don't know that they're groping.

But respect the dead!

But no one here knows what it's like to be president.

RRROOOOOFFFFLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!
 
The Ignored Legacy of George H.W. Bush: War Crimes, Racism, and Obstruction of Justice

Mehdi Hasan
The Intercept
December 1 2018, 11:38 a.m.


The tributes to former President George H.W. Bush, who died on Friday aged 94, have been pouring in from all sides of the political spectrum. He was a man “of the highest character,” said his eldest son and fellow former president, George W. Bush. “He loved America and served with character, class, and integrity,” tweeted former U.S. Attorney and #Resistance icon Preet Bharara. According to another former president, Barack Obama, Bush’s life was “a testament to the notion that public service is a noble, joyous calling. And he did tremendous good along the journey.” Apple boss Tim Cook said: “We have lost a great American.”

In the age of Donald Trump, it isn’t difficult for hagiographers of the late Bush Sr. to paint a picture of him as a great patriot and pragmatist; a president who governed with “class” and “integrity.” It is true that the former president refused to vote for Trump in 2016, calling him a “blowhard,” and that he eschewed the white nationalist, “alt-right,” conspiratorial politics that has come to define the modern Republican Party. He helped end the Cold War without, as Obama said, “firing a shot.” He spent his life serving his country — from the military to Congress to the United Nations to the CIA to the White House. And, by all accounts, he was also a beloved grandfather and great-grandfather to his 17 grandkids and eight great-grandkids.

Nevertheless, he was a public, not a private, figure — one of only 44 men to have ever served as president of the United States. We cannot, therefore, allow his actual record in office to be beautified in such a brazen way. “When a political leader dies, it is irresponsible in the extreme to demand that only praise be permitted but not criticisms,” as my colleague Glenn Greenwald has argued, because it leads to “false history and a propagandistic whitewashing of bad acts.” The inconvenient truth is that the presidency of George Herbert Walker Bush had far more in common with the recognizably belligerent, corrupt, and right-wing Republican figures who came after him — his son George W. and the current orange-faced incumbent — than much of the political and media classes might have you believe.

Consider:

He ran a racist election campaign. The name of Willie Horton should forever be associated with Bush’s 1988 presidential bid. Horton, who was serving a life sentence for murder in Massachusetts — where Bush’s Democratic opponent, Michael Dukakis, was governor — had fled a weekend furlough program and raped a Maryland woman. A notorious television ad called “Weekend Passes,” released by a political action committee with ties to the Bush campaign, made clear to viewers that Horton was black and his victim was white.

As Bush campaign director Lee Atwater bragged, “By the time we’re finished, they’re going to wonder whether Willie Horton is Dukakis’s running mate.” Bush himself was quick to dismiss accusations of racism as “absolutely ridiculous,” yet it was clear at the time — even to right-wing Republican operatives such as Roger Stone, now a close ally of Trump — that the ad had crossed a line. “You and George Bush will wear that to your grave,” Stone complained to Atwater. “It’s a racist ad. … You’re going to regret it.”

Stone was right about Atwater, who on his deathbed apologized for using Horton against Dukakis. But Bush never did.

He made a dishonest case for war. Thirteen years before George W. Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction to justify his invasion and occupation of Iraq, his father made his own set of false claims to justify the aerial bombardment of that same country. The first Gulf War, as an investigation by journalist Joshua Holland concluded, “was sold on a mountain of war propaganda.”

For a start, Bush told the American public that Iraq had invaded Kuwait “without provocation or warning.” What he omitted to mention was that the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, had given an effective green light to Saddam Hussein, telling him in July 1990, a week before his invasion, “[W]e have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.”

Then there is the fabrication of intelligence. Bush deployed U.S. troops to the Gulf in August 1990 and claimed that he was doing so in order “to assist the Saudi Arabian Government in the defense of its homeland.” As Scott Peterson wrote in the Christian Science Monitor in 2002, “Citing top-secret satellite images, Pentagon officials estimated … that up to 250,000 Iraqi troops and 1,500 tanks stood on the border, threatening the key U.S. oil supplier.”

Yet when reporter Jean Heller of the St. Petersburg Times acquired her own commercial satellite images of the Saudi border, she found no signs of Iraqi forces; only an empty desert. “It was a pretty serious fib,” Heller told Peterson, adding: “That [Iraqi buildup] was the whole justification for Bush sending troops in there, and it just didn’t exist.”

He committed war crimes. Under Bush Sr., the U.S. dropped a whopping 88,500 tons of bombs on Iraq and Iraqi-occupied Kuwait, many of which resulted in horrific civilian casualties. In February 1991, for example, a U.S. airstrike on an air-raid shelter in the Amiriyah neighborhood of Baghdad killed at least 408 Iraqi civilians. According to Human Rights Watch, the Pentagon knew the Amiriyah facility had been used as a civil defense shelter during the Iran-Iraq war and yet had attacked without warning. It was, concluded HRW, “a serious violation of the laws of war.”

U.S. bombs also destroyed essential Iraqi civilian infrastructure — from electricity-generating and water-treatment facilities to food-processing plants and flour mills. This was no accident. As Barton Gellman of the Washington Post reported in June 1991: “Some targets, especially late in the war, were bombed primarily to create postwar leverage over Iraq, not to influence the course of the conflict itself. Planners now say their intent was to destroy or damage valuable facilities that Baghdad could not repair without foreign assistance. … Because of these goals, damage to civilian structures and interests, invariably described by briefers during the war as ‘collateral’ and unintended, was sometimes neither.”

Got that? The Bush administration deliberately targeted civilian infrastructure for “leverage” over Saddam Hussein. How is this not terrorism? As a Harvard public health team concluded in June 1991, less than four months after the end of the war, the destruction of Iraqi infrastructure had resulted in acute malnutrition and “epidemic” levels of cholera and typhoid.

By January 1992, Beth Osborne Daponte, a demographer with the U.S. Census Bureau, was estimating that Bush’s Gulf War had caused the deaths of 158,000 Iraqis, including 13,000 immediate civilian deaths and 70,000 deaths from the damage done to electricity and sewage treatment plants. Daponte’s numbers contradicted the Bush administration’s, and she was threatened by her superiors with dismissal for releasing “false information.” (Sound familiar?)

He refused to cooperate with a special counsel. The Iran-Contra affair, in which the United States traded missiles for Americans hostages in Iran, and used the proceeds of those arms sales to fund Contra rebels in Nicaragua, did much to undermine the presidency of Ronald Reagan. Yet his vice president’s involvement in that controversial affair has garnered far less attention. “The criminal investigation of Bush was regrettably incomplete,” wrote Special Counsel Lawrence Walsh, a former deputy attorney general in the Eisenhower administration, in his final report on the Iran-Contra affair in August 1993.

Why? Because Bush, who was “fully aware of the Iran arms sale,” according to the special counsel, failed to hand over a diary “containing contemporaneous notes relevant to Iran/contra” and refused to be interviewed in the later stages of the investigation. In the final days of his presidency, Bush even issued pardons to six defendants in the Iran-Contra affair, including former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger — on the eve of Weinberger’s trial for perjury and obstruction of justice. “The Weinberger pardon,” Walsh pointedly noted, “marked the first time a president ever pardoned someone in whose trial he might have been called as a witness, because the president was knowledgeable of factual events underlying the case.” An angry Walsh accused Bush of “misconduct” and helping to complete “the Iran-contra cover-up.”

Sounds like a Trumpian case of obstruction of justice, doesn’t it?

He escalated the racist war on drugs. In September 1989, in a televised address to the nation from the Oval Office, Bush held up a bag of crack cocaine, which he said had been “seized a few days ago in a park across the street from the White House . … It could easily have been heroin or PCP.”

Yet a Washington Post investigation later that month revealed that federal agents had “lured” the drug dealer to Lafayette Park so that they could make an “undercover crack buy in a park better known for its location across Pennsylvania Avenue from the White House than for illegal drug activity” (the dealer didn’t know where the White House was and even asked the agents for directions). Bush cynically used this prop — the bag of crack — to call for a $1.5 billion increase in spending on the drug war, declaiming: “We need more prisons, more jails, more courts, more prosecutors.”

The result? “Millions of Americans were incarcerated, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and hundreds of thousands of human beings allowed to die of AIDS — all in the name of a ‘war on drugs’ that did nothing to reduce drug abuse,” pointed out Ethan Nadelmann, founder of the Drug Policy Alliance, in 2014. Bush, he argued, “put ideology and politics above science and health.” Today, even leading Republicans, such as Chris Christie and Rand Paul, agree that the war on drugs, ramped up by Bush during his four years in the White House, has been a dismal and racist failure.

He groped women. Since the start of the #MeToo movement, in late 2017, at least eight different women have come forward with claims that the former president groped them, in most cases while they were posing for photos with him. One of them, Roslyn Corrigan, told Time magazine that Bush had touched her inappropriately in 2003, when she was just 16. “I was a child,” she said. The former president was 79. Bush’s spokesperson offered this defense of his boss in October 2017: “At age 93, President Bush has been confined to a wheelchair for roughly five years, so his arm falls on the lower waist of people with whom he takes pictures.” Yet, as Time noted, “Bush was standing upright in 2003 when he met Corrigan.”

Facts matter. The 41st president of the United States was not the last Republican moderate or a throwback to an imagined age of conservative decency and civility; he engaged in race baiting, obstruction of justice, and war crimes. He had much more in common with the two Republican presidents who came after him than his current crop of fans would like us to believe.

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8 women say George H.W. Bush groped them. Their claims deserve to be remembered as we assess his legacy.
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A hit-piece op-ed written by a coward who didn't have the courage to publish it before Bush's death? Solid.

It is also hilarious that you say the same trash about GWB, a guy who saved literally millions of lives in Africa. Much more than you've done, by the way.

Honestly, I'm not surprised. We've already established that you have 0 understanding of National Security, International Relations, or Defense Policy, so it makes sense that you would try to Monday Morning Quarterback things you fail to understand.
 
A hit-piece op-ed written by a coward who didn't have the courage to publish it before Bush's death? Solid.

It is also hilarious that you say the same trash about GWB, a guy who saved literally millions of lives in Africa. Much more than you've done, by the way.

Honestly, I'm not surprised. We've already established that you have 0 understanding of National Security, International Relations, or Defense Policy, so it makes sense that you would try to Monday Morning Quarterback things you fail to understand.

Oh wow, what a shocker. 2 people in America having ideological differences in National Security, International Relations, or Defense Policy and having at least one of them lower the other by claiming to be more educated than them, all that and for nothing since a wise man once told me posting on internet forums is doing exactly nothing.
 
Have I ever, at any time, shared support of Trump in here?

Didn't think so.

I was making a comparative point. Topic of the thread: "Donald Trump: blah, blah, blah"
But, if you want a more direct comparative of trash. (Trump is the trashiest president in history)

US AGENTS LURED A TEEN TO THE WHITE HOUSE TO SELL DRUGS
SO GEORGE W BUSH COULD MAKE A POINT


A real hero to set up a teen to take a 10 year fall for a first time conviction in order to make a point!?
Trash has been defined. A failed war on drugs costs this country too much. Legalize. How on earth
anyone in this forum coudl argue against legalizing drugs is a head scratcher.

Let's push that envelope further with justifications and reasoning.
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My favorite President is still Jimmy Carter.
 
Oh wow, what a shocker. 2 people in America having ideological differences in National Security, International Relations, or Defense Policy and having at least one of them lower the other by claiming to be more educated than them, all that and for nothing since a wise man once told me posting on internet forums is doing exactly nothing.
It has nothing to do with a difference in opinion. It has to do with your admitted ignorance on the topic.

You don't study this at all.

I do.

We are not equal in that respect.
I was making a comparative point. Topic of the thread: "Donald Trump: blah, blah, blah"
But, if you want a more direct comparative of trash.

US AGENTS LURED A TEEN TO THE WHITE HOUSE TO SELL DRUGS
SO GEORGE W BUSH COULD MAKE A POINT

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A real hero to set up a teen to take a 10 year fall for a first time conviction in order to make a point!?
Trash has been defined.

My favorite President is still Jimmy Carter.
Yeah, it's called a "sting" operation, bud.

They didn't force him to sell drugs, just tricked him into changing where he does it.

The War on Drugs is one of the many places where I disagree with the actions taken by President Bush; the difference between me and ax is that I don't think he is evil for pursuing foolish measures.

He, and most other people who assume that office, had a vision for what he thought a "better" America would look like and he worked to make that a reality. His solution to our drug problem was not ideal, among other things. We know that now, with the gift of hindsight and a different worldview. But he made his choices based on the information he had and the belief that the outcome would be favorable for the U.S., that didn't always turnout to be the case, but those failures don't make him evil.
 
It is also hilarious that you say the same trash about GWB, a guy who saved literally millions of lives in Africa. Much more than you've done, by the way.

Could have saved alot more and in the meantime not murder innocent civilians across the globe. You cant justify evil with good deeds. Im sure even Jeffery Dahmer did a few good things in his life, maybe even more than you did.
 
We are not equal in that respect.

Yeah we are not equal at all. I dont go on bodybuilding forums ferociously defending war mongering mass murdering anti-constitutional criminal terrorists.

Now carry with your little Coursera courses and Ill stick to the deepest darkest corners of my basement with my short wave radio and take notes and will keep munching my popcorn.
 
Entrapement and 10 years for a first offense! reduced to 8 years in 4 separate prisons.
He was TRASH for letting that happen. He had the power to help him out and still make a point.

Can you discuss without attacking or being condiscending? Blind followers are sightless and often bump into things.
He was convicted in accordance with the laws at the time. We disagree with those laws because we have seen that they don't work due to 30 years of experience and have a different view on how to deter criminal activity.

Believing criminals should be harshly punished for their crimes is not evil, dude. I disagree with it because I don't think it works to deter criminal activity, but that doesn't make someone trash for believing that it could.
 
Yeah we are not equal at all. I dont go on bodybuilding forums ferociously defending war mongering mass murdering anti-constitutional criminal terrorists.

Now carry with your little Coursera courses and Ill stick to the deepest darkest corners of my basement with my short wave radio and take notes and will keep munching my popcorn.
Yeah, instead you spend your day on BBing forums aggressively spreading conspiracy theories based on a complete disregard for evidence and expertise.

But that's ok because JeT FuEl DoESn'T mElt StEeL bEaMs, right?
 
Believing criminals should be harshly punished for their crimes is not evil, dude. I disagree with it because I don't think it works to deter criminal activity, but that doesn't make someone trash for believing that it could.

Coming from a man who bombed innocent civilians in Iraq and taking out key public infrastructure over an unconstitutional war shouldnt give Bush Sr. and moral credibility anyways, so there is no point defending him.
 
Yeah, instead you spend your day on BBing forums aggressively spreading conspiracy theories based on a complete disregard for evidence and expertise.

But that's ok because JeT FuEl DoESn'T mElt StEeL bEaMs, right?

Your the expert, come tell us the truth even though there is no point posting on forums.

I admit your education level is beyond my comprehension. You win. Now I have more stimulating things to do as finishing this Cat in the Hat book thats been sitting on my lap.
 
But that's ok because JeT FuEl DoESn'T mElt StEeL bEaMs, right?



A December 2001 paper, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation," dismissed early reports about molten steel at the demolished World Trade Center. Dr. Thomas W. Eagar, a professor of materials engineering and engineering systems at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and his graduate research student, Christopher Musso, pointed out that the theoretical maximum temperature of a building fire (maximum 1000°C/1800°F) is not even close to the melting point of steel (approximately 1500°C/2750°F). And they noted that the observed black smoke emanating from the Twin Towers was consistent with a typical oxygen-starved building fire.

Eagar and Musso concluded that the actual temperature most likely remained below 650°C/1200°F. In so doing, they dispelled the myth that the jet fuel could have made the fires unusually hot, noting that it was "highly unlikely" that the temperature rose above 800°C/1470°F.

AE911Truth agrees that the jet-fuel-induced fires in the Twin Towers could not have melted steel.

But because more recent reports confirm the presence of molten steel and molten iron both during and after the 9/11 event, it must be determined what actually melted those two metals and in so doing demolished two of the world's tallest steel-frame skyscrapers.

The Official Fired-Based Hypothesis Cannot Account for the Stream of Liquid Metal Pouring Out of the South Tower

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You don't study this at all.

I do.

I showed my wife this ^^^ and she spilled coffee on herself.

I have not done this for a long time on this forum, but I will go ahead and issue you a rare gold star for having the most massive ego in the history of the Dump is running for president thread. Here you go. "I do." RRRRROOOFFFLLLL!!!!!!

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I was making a comparative point. Topic of the thread: "Donald Trump: blah, blah, blah"
But, if you want a more direct comparative of trash. (Trump is the trashiest president in history)

US AGENTS LURED A TEEN TO THE WHITE HOUSE TO SELL DRUGS
SO GEORGE W BUSH COULD MAKE A POINT


A real hero to set up a teen to take a 10 year fall for a first time conviction in order to make a point!?
Trash has been defined. A failed war on drugs costs this country too much. Legalize. How on earth
anyone in this forum coudl argue against legalizing drugs is a head scratcher.

Let's push that envelope further with justifications and reasoning.
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My favorite President is still Jimmy Carter.

Save your time, he studies this stuff...you dont. Respect your superiors when they are speaking to you.
 
Im out for the day, going to campus library (I graduated years ago but like going there still) to focus on my Chinese study and some other work for a test Im going to take.

For the record, jimbuick is a good dude, and even if he leaves any more insults after I leave directed towards my brain cells I still think he is ok in my books :)
 
Im out for the day, going to campus library (I graduated years ago but like going there still) to focus on my Chinese study and some other work for a test Im going to take.

For the record, jimbuick is a good dude, and even if he leaves any more insults after I leave directed towards my brain cells I still think he is ok in my books :)
I didn't ever call you stupid or insult your "brain cells"; I said you were, by your own admission in previous conversations, ignorant on the topic of National Security and Defense Policy.
 
I didn't ever call you stupid or insult your "brain cells"; I said you were, by your own admission in previous conversations, ignorant on the topic of National Security and Defense Policy.

Oh I remember that. Our primary differences were ideological, not educational. Difference being interventionist vs. non-interventionist theories...and then we clash on each other’s perception of what our differences really are so not only are we not on the same page but not even on the same book lol

I do read up on national security and defense for many years and probably no where near as in depth as you (I don’t want to and can’t) but I lean towards Ron Paul type material...I go to places such as globalresearch.ca and also know and talk to people.

National Security is a political and ideological issue first, it’s not a book competition although I highy value education most definitely, but education in these topics are very biased. On top of that the government is a corrupt cesspool and they lack both moral integrity and a short nose.
 
Yeah we are not equal at all. I dont go on bodybuilding forums ferociously defending war mongering mass murdering anti-constitutional criminal terrorists.

Now carry with your little Coursera courses and Ill stick to the deepest darkest corners of my basement with my short wave radio and take notes and will keep munching my popcorn.
HEY HEY HEY IM NO FCKING BODYBUILDER!!!!!
I'm too fat so I go by powerlifter thank you very much
 
Oh I remember that. Our primary differences were ideological, not educational. Difference being interventionist vs. non-interventionist theories...and then we clash on each other’s perception of what our differences really are so not only are we not on the same page but not even on the same book lol

I do read up on national security and defense for many years and probably no where near as in depth as you (I don’t want to and can’t) but I lean towards Ron Paul type material...I go to places such as globalresearch.ca and also know and talk to people.

National Security is a political and ideological issue first, it’s not a book competition although I highy value education most definitely, but education in these topics are very biased. On top of that the government is a corrupt cesspool and they lack both moral integrity and a short nose.
There almost certainly is an ideological difference in this subject, but the educational difference is not that you know nothing of the topics, but that you don't necessarily understand the underlying logics of the different theories and ideologies which makes it difficult to truly compare them, or, if you do, you have not yet made that clear.

It isn't that you can't, but as you mention, doing that takes significant time and energy that can be better spent pursuing topics you have more interest in like Chinese.

I disagree with your premise. It has certainly been politicized, largely by people with nothing more than a superficial understanding of it, but it really is a robust field of scholarly study. When I discuss it, I prefer not to do so from a political position, but instead to approach it how one would approach a philosophical discussion, i.e. through discussion of the underlying principles of the different theories. Because, for me, that is what these things are. For example, I can look at the actions taken by both Bush 41 and 43 and see the underlying logic that guided their positions, which makes me less critical of the actions themselves because I get the philosophy, even where I may disagree with it.

The same is true for Obama, Trump (to a lesser extent, but you'd be surprised how closely he holds to some more traditional NS beliefs, even if by accident, especially in the realm of nuclear security which I have studied more intensely than other branches), and the various positions of the CW-era Presidents.
 
I was making a comparative point. Topic of the thread: "Donald Trump: blah, blah, blah"
But, if you want a more direct comparative of trash. (Trump is the trashiest president in history)

US AGENTS LURED A TEEN TO THE WHITE HOUSE TO SELL DRUGS
SO GEORGE W BUSH COULD MAKE A POINT


A real hero to set up a teen to take a 10 year fall for a first time conviction in order to make a point!?
Trash has been defined. A failed war on drugs costs this country too much. Legalize. How on earth
anyone in this forum coudl argue against legalizing drugs is a head scratcher.

Let's push that envelope further with justifications and reasoning.
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My favorite President is still Jimmy Carter.

jimmy carter...met the man twice. once as a senior In hs when he was on the campaign tour and 2nd on the newly commisiond Eisenhower in the Persian gulf where carter/menachim begin/anwar sadat met pre-camp david summit.

when I turned 18 I cast my 1st ever vote for jimmy. my impression was that he was genuinely a honorable and decent human being, nothing over the years has changed that impression.


as good and decent as he is as a human being he was a horrible president. I very sincerely regret voting for him and have not voted for a democrat since!!!


carter suffers from what I think many democrats/liberals suffer from...good intentions with unintended consequences!!!


if carter would have backed the shah there would not have been the hostage situation and a very good chance there would be no Islamic state in iran.
 
jimmy carter...met the man twice. once as a senior In hs when he was on the campaign tour and 2nd on the newly commisiond Eisenhower in the Persian gulf where carter/menachim begin/anwar sadat met pre-camp david summit.

when I turned 18 I cast my 1st ever vote for jimmy. my impression was that he was genuinely a honorable and decent human being, nothing over the years has changed that impression.


as good and decent as he is as a human being he was a horrible president. I very sincerely regret voting for him and have not voted for a democrat since!!!


carter suffers from what I think many democrats/liberals suffer from...good intentions with unintended consequences!!!


if carter would have backed the shah there would not have been the hostage situation and a very good chance there would be no Islamic state in iran.

Quite the stretch of imagination.
Trump openly supports the Nation that sent terrorists on 9/11 and bonus a known murderer The Prince of Saudi Arabia...

You must be proud. Keep voting GOP.
 
The same is true for Obama, Trump (to a lesser extent, but you'd be surprised how closely he holds to some more traditional NS beliefs, even if by accident, especially in the realm of nuclear security which I have studied more intensely than other branches), and the various positions of the CW-era Presidents.

Not surprised at all my friend :) Outside of the microphone and twitter, overall Id just President Dump as Obama's 3rd term based on real policies that are supported as well as ever so slightly changed with both their predecessors before them. No difference between Obama and Dump to me, just typical Republicrat and Demican policies, both same sides of the same coin. As long as a Demicans or Republicrats are in power they mostly all serve to kill man and fund private companies to help do so.
 
Quite the stretch of imagination.
Trump openly supports the Nation that sent terrorists on 9/11 and bonus a known murderer The Prince of Saudi Arabia...

You must be proud. Keep voting GOP.

Also openly supports and sells arms to a nation that is causing the worst humanitarian and mass murder of our current time. Military Industrial Comple......um I meant Americaz firzt, Arrrrrr1!!!!!!!
 
if carter would have backed the shah there would not have been the hostage situation and a very good chance there would be no Islamic state in iran.

Dont forget to blame the CIA and US backed foreign election interference (ROFL funny times to say this) for the overthrow of Mohammad Mosaddegh in 53, which if we werent involved with the overthrow we perhaps wouldnt have fueled the radical government in the first place to overthrow the already radical Shah who was a brutal dictator himself decades later.
 
Quite the stretch of imagination.
Trump openly supports the Nation that sent terrorists on 9/11 and bonus a known murderer The Prince of Saudi Arabia...

You must be proud. Keep voting GOP.

don't get me started on what you dems support...if you think trump is so bad imagine the mess we would be in if that darned Hillary were president-that is the stuff of nightmares!!!
 
don't get me started on what you dems support...if you think trump is so bad imagine the mess we would be in if that darned Hillary were president-that is the stuff of nightmares!!!

After I made it through 8 years of Bush and then 8 years of Barry Soetoro I think I could make it though anything now, lol
 
OPEN BORDERS?

People want to flood here and the primary issue for Americans is that we are paying for them via our stolen labor money to fund the many socialist policies which Dump, Hitlery, Obama and Bush, etc...all endlessly support to the fullest, although they may have slightly different variations on how to implement and fund them.
 
Not surprised at all my friend :) Outside of the microphone and twitter, overall Id just President Dump as Obama's 3rd term based on real policies that are supported as well as ever so slightly changed with both their predecessors before them. No difference between Obama and Dump to me, just typical Republicrat and Demican policies, both same sides of the same coin. As long as a Demicans or Republicrats are in power they mostly all serve to kill man and fund private companies to help do so.
Eh, their nuclear strategy is different, but that's all I feel I can competently say for sure.
 
My buddy is moving there; my nephew met his wife there. It's not so bad. Give it a go, I bet it's far easier than Switzerland or Australia.

perth was very nice, one of the cleanest places I've ever been to.
 
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