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You don't see where it says "according to Oxford Economics"? That is a reference.

It provides you the information necessary to find the study by searching the topic and the publisher of the study in search engine if you want further reading. It is a pretty standard procedure for any type of reporting.

Oxford Economics doesn't have one article on Chinese production and the effect on the US economy. It's an ongoing issue in economics. Standard citations have at least the first author and date in addition to the journal. It's part of what I do on a daily basis.
 
Right, my statement that has the lmao after it and not a single **** word, that I purposely left out because it upsets you, was jumping down your throat. Remember when you said that youngandfree and me can't have a civil conversation because of history and we automatically read bad intent in each others' words. Take a deep ****ing breath and just consider that maybe I was making an attempt at humor about the qualifiers and maybe you see it as me attacking you. Or don't. The sources in those articles are vague like the "Oxford report" as if there is only one in all of history. I do not see a link or a date and author that would help me or anybody else find the actual study which is why I asked you if you knew what it was.
Ok.

The actual report isn't linked because it is a privileged .pdf file. Many of OE's reports are open source, but the Mar. 14th one that CNN is referencing is not one of them.

As far as I can tell, it is the "United States: Still ‘Numero uno’ in a competitive market" report. That is the Mar. 14, 2016 report that they published (correct date) and is cited in one of their executive reviews about China-US business relations from 2017.

It isn't about Chinese labor effects on US economy. I don't know where you got that idea from, but I am reasonably certain I didn't mention anything of the sort. It is a comparison of relative labor costs when factoring in wages vs. productivity to estimate real labor cost. In that analysis, US labor costs are competitive because Chinese wages are increasing but their productivity is not while US productivity is increasing.

Also, Oxford Economics (as an entity) is the author. The reports don't have individual authors.
 
Things are better, but cheap labor isn't just about comparing hourly pay. Looking at taxes, cost of keeping up with regulations, employee benefits, etc. would you still not consider them cheaper than what you could do in the US?

Based on the standard of living I’ve seen with my own eyes absolutely yes. In China construction workers nap under trucks and look like they haven’t showered in years. Ive seen much more but wanna keep it short since I’m in my Chines slaviphone, just 1 example. In the USA labor jobs like that are generally very rewarding especially union jobs. Conditions and wage along with the weak power of the “earned” buck is significantly a larger supply in China vs USA (even in %, we all know supply is always almost 5fold there) if you don’t account for legalized slavery via immigrants. People have it better at McDonalds here than millions of what should be nice paying jobs in China.
 
You don't see where it says "according to Oxford Economics"? That is a reference.

It provides you the information necessary to find the study by searching the topic and the publisher of the study in search engine if you want further reading. It is a pretty standard procedure for any type of reporting.

Just curious I can’t look at the study now but is the Oxford study basing this off of CCCP supplied or connected statistics? Well anything from China needs to be CCCP approved so it’s all connected.
 
Just curious I can’t look at the study now but is the Oxford study basing this off of CCCP supplied or connected statistics? Well anything from China needs to be CCCP approved so it’s all connected.
Probably not, because the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.
 
Probably not, because the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.

RRRRrrrRRRROOFFFFFFFFFFLLL!!!!

I meant CPC

I chose a bad day quit inhalants

I sometimes confuse that because of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China name. The initials are there, but CPC is the proper name, but they also use CCP.
 
Ok.

The actual report isn't linked because it is a privileged .pdf file. Many of OE's reports are open source, but the Mar. 14th one that CNN is referencing is not one of them.

As far as I can tell, it is the "United States: Still ‘Numero uno’ in a competitive market" report. That is the Mar. 14, 2016 report that they published (correct date) and is cited in one of their executive reviews about China-US business relations from 2017.

It isn't about Chinese labor effects on US economy. I don't know where you got that idea from, but I am reasonably certain I didn't mention anything of the sort. It is a comparison of relative labor costs when factoring in wages vs. productivity to estimate real labor cost. In that analysis, US labor costs are competitive because Chinese wages are increasing but their productivity is not while US productivity is increasing.

Also, Oxford Economics (as an entity) is the author. The reports don't have individual authors.

I have access to a lot. I was simply asking for help finding the source because I don't trust a news agency's interpretation. That's not a knock towards CNN or Fox, but all of them. I'd rather see the original data myself because these kinds of numbers require a lot of context.
 
I never said academia was the answer for most people. The problem is that below average people aren't going to succeed in any field because they are below average.

College education gives nothing but a credential to meet minimum requirements for certain careers. It doesn't make people successful. Trade schools are the same, really.

That isn't really my point, though. I'm just trying to point out that our labor problem is more complicated than y'all are acknowledging, and it is only going to get worse as time goes on.

I'm not claiming to have a real solution for this, because I'm not sure what the future will look like or how long it will take us to get there. What I do know, though, is we as a society will have to be open to major policy changes in the future because of automation and AI development.

I agree with this...above average people will always be ok, it's those that fall below average that need looking out for-how we do that is the question?



as far as predicting the future who knows, when I was in high school we were told that flying cars and 3 day work weeks would be the norm by year 2000!!!
 
I agree with this...above average people will always be ok, it's those that fall below average that need looking out for-how we do that is the question?

We don't. The reason we're at the point we are is because people who shouldn't have survived, have survived. Less people will be questioning evolution when we start seeing less of those that drag us down.
 
We don't. The reason we're at the point we are is because people who shouldn't have survived, have survived. Less people will be questioning evolution when we start seeing less of those that drag us down.
Maybe, but politicians could never win an election campaigning on that lol.

"Giant Meteor 2020"
 
We don't. The reason we're at the point we are is because people who shouldn't have survived, have survived. Less people will be questioning evolution when we start seeing less of those that drag us down.

sooner or later it will have to come to that, I don't see how we can continue the path we are on....but what pisses me off is those people who are well above average who don't make any effort, I can't stand laziness.
 
sooner or later it will have to come to that, I don't see how we can continue the path we are on....but what pisses me off is those people who are well above average who don't make any effort, I can't stand laziness.

If they're clever enough to survive, then they'll live. If they're that lazy that they can't figure out a way, then *waves bye*.
 
If they're clever enough to survive, then they'll live. If they're that lazy that they can't figure out a way, then *waves bye*.

yeah, they will be clever enough to survive--probably the same lazy asses who run scams on the internet. if they would apply as much thought process to being productive as they do to get out of being productive....oh well, I think you get what i'm saying.
 
Commanding admiral of US Naval forces in the Middle East was found dead in his home in Bahrain. He was only 58.

Right now they are reporting that there is no evidence of foul play, but if that changes...
 
Commanding admiral of US Naval forces in the Middle East was found dead in his home in Bahrain. He was only 58.

Right now they are reporting that there is no evidence of foul play, but if that changes...

He had a stressful job and sometimes it just happens. I'm sure the conspiracy theories are already going nuts with this.
 
Tump wandered off stage and lost it. You can hear him say, "get me outta here" :laugh2:

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I really don't think he's going to finish his term or run again. Aside from what I think of him personally, we need to start questioning the possibility of dementia because he's checking a lot of boxes. I'm not saying that as an insult or looking at it as a way to boot him out. And it's not just this incident because he's flying all over the place and the organizers there might have not been clear about whether he needed to stay on stage or just photo op and leave.
 
seriously, even my 5 year old granddaughter has a cell phone...I heard apple stock has dropped because sales are down-everyone already has one!!!
Literally homeless people have phones in Cali. Free.....well kinda free. Depends on your income. Somebody is paying for them.
 
I really don't think he's going to finish his term or run again. Aside from what I think of him personally, we need to start questioning the possibility of dementia because he's checking a lot of boxes. I'm not saying that as an insult or looking at it as a way to boot him out. And it's not just this incident because he's flying all over the place and the organizers there might have not been clear about whether he needed to stay on stage or just photo op and leave.

Second term would run him to 78 years of age. Just sounds crazy to me. He doesnt even work out, he thinks people are like batteries and that if you work out your life span shortens.
 
Literally homeless people have phones in Cali. Free.....well kinda free. Depends on your income. Somebody is paying for them.

there seems to be a disconnect between the coast's and the fly over states...it's going to be hard for a democratic presidential nominee from a coastal state to connect with the rest of the country...people in my state[even many democrats]think people in cali/new York have lost touch with the rest of the country.
 
there seems to be a disconnect between the coast's and the fly over states...it's going to be hard for a democratic presidential nominee from a coastal state to connect with the rest of the country...people in my state[even many democrats]think people in cali/new York have lost touch with the rest of the country.
And in a lot of ways we have.
 
Second term would run him to 78 years of age. Just sounds crazy to me. He doesnt even work out, he thinks people are like batteries and that if you work out your life span shortens.

He doesn't know anything about batteries then, just like everything else. He's a complete moron.
 
He had a stressful job and sometimes it just happens. I'm sure the conspiracy theories are already going nuts with this.
That's true.

Obviously, it's still being investigated too, so things could still change, but I suspect it will be ruled natural causes by the ME. I was initially worried about how the President would respond after the news broke, but nothing so far.

Edit: CBS is reporting that it looks like a suicide.
 
Trump Foreign Policy: Doing the Same Thing and Expecting a Different Result

Written by Ron Paul
Monday December 3, 2018

After a week of insisting that a meeting with Putin on the sidelines of the G20 meeting in Argentina was going to happen, President Trump at the last minute sent out a Tweet explaining that due to a Russia/Ukraine dispute in the Sea of Azov he would no longer be willing to meet his Russian counterpart.

According to Trump, the meeting had to be cancelled because the Russians seized three Ukrainian naval vessels in Russian waters that refused to follow instructions from the Russian military. But as Pat Buchanan wrote in a recent column: how is this little dispute thousands of miles away any of our business?

Unfortunately it is “our business” because of President Obama’s foolish idea to overthrow a democratically-elected, pro-Russia government in Ukraine in favor of what his Administration believed would be a “pro-Western” and “pro-NATO” replacement. In short, the Obama Administration did openly to Ukraine what his Democratic Party claims without proof the Russians did to the United States: meddled in a vote.

US interventionism in Ukraine led to the 2014 coup and many dead Ukrainians. Crimea’s majority-Russian population held a referendum and decided to re-join Russia rather than remain in a “pro-West” Ukraine that immediately began discriminating against them. Why would anyone object to people opting out of abusive relationships?

What is most disappointing about President Trump’s foreign policy is that it didn’t have to be this way. He ran on a platform of America first, ending foreign wars, NATO skepticism, and better relations with Russia. Americans voted for this policy. He had a mandate, a rejection of Obama’s destructive interventionism.

But he lost his nerve.

Instead of being the president who ships lethal weapons to the Ukrainian regime, instead of being the president who insists that Crimea remain in Ukraine, instead of being the president who continues policies the American people clearly rejected at the ballot box, Trump could have blamed the Ukraine/Russia mess on the failed Obama foreign policy and charted a very different course. What flag flies over Crimea is none of our business. We are not the policemen of the world and candidate Trump seemed to have understood that.

But now Trump’s in a trap. He was foolish enough to believe that Beltway foreign policy “experts” have a clue about what really is American national interest. Just this week he told the Washington Post, in response to three US soldiers being killed by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan, that he has to keep US troops fighting in the longest war in US history because the “experts” tell him there is no alternative.

He said, “virtually every expert that I have and speak to say if we don’t go there, they’re going to be fighting over here. And I’ve heard it over and over again.”

That is the same bunkum the neocons sold us as they lied us into Iraq! We’ve got to fight Saddam over there or he’d soon be in our streets. These “experts” are worthless, yet for some reason President Trump cannot break free of them.

Well here’s some unsolicited advice to the president: Listen to the people who elected you, who are tired of the US as the world’s police force. Let Ukraine and Russia work out their own problems. Give all your “experts” a pink slip and start over with a real pro-American foreign policy: non-interventionism.

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Feelings on Bush Sr......1 less mass murdering anti-human genocidal tyrant in the world. Bye, wherever the HELL you are.

 
That's true.

Obviously, it's still being investigated too, so things could still change, but I suspect it will be ruled natural causes by the ME. I was initially worried about how the President would respond after the news broke, but nothing so far.

Edit: CBS is reporting that it looks like a suicide.

Oh wow. Whether I agree with his choice of a job or not, there's no doubting that it can take its toll on anybody.
 
Feelings on Bush Sr......1 less mass murdering anti-human genocidal tyrant in the world. Bye, wherever the HELL you are.


[video=youtube;imqvLToWH7k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imqvLToWH7k[/video]

We got this song because of him, so it's not all bad
 
Feelings on Bush Sr......1 less mass murdering anti-human genocidal tyrant in the world. Bye, wherever the HELL you are.


thank you for this...i'm sick of hypocrites heaping praise on the man now that he is dead and was outspoken against trump...all of a sudden democrats think the bush's are the good guys???? that would be like Obama dying and me saying what a great guy he was-not!!!
 
ok, looking back at Obama's iran deal it looks like one consequence was propping up a regime that could have been overthrown without that huge influx of money. without being privy to information that Obama would have had at that time it is impossible to say if it was a intended or unintended consequence.

btw-iran just launched a new missile test, the Europeans seem pretty pissed, at least that is my opinion.
 
Ah, Rudy you are a special one.
All he has to do is delete the tweet...

New York Times article, and tweet
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Rudy Giuliani blames twitter for his poor grammar and someone takes advantage of his ignorance. Well played.
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"Mueller filed an indictment just as the President left for Invalid Link Removed July he indicted the Russians who will never come here just before he left for Helsinki.Either could have been done earlier or later. Out of control!Supervision please?"
 
I think he is doing good job

Like what? Besides being good at violating is oath of office countless times along with the rest of the swamp in Washington and both directly and indirectly supporting mass genocide around the world?
 
Agree with you. I'm not a voter of trump but i think the economy is strong in his period

He harmed farmers with tarrifs then propped them with governement bail money... a bandaid. He's harming the economy he inherited. The DOW dropped yuge.

My wife actually voted for him, and now she regrets it as do her parents. Their net worth dropped as their investments / retirement, and father-in-law's insurance went up-up-up. His insulin costs more than ever. Thanks Trump. You really put Pharma in their place.

He's killing the USA in so many ways. I want you to give more than, "I think the economy is strong in his period", because that is a false narative.
 
He harmed farmers with tarrifs then propped them with governement bail money... a bandaid. He's harming the economy he inherited. The DOW dropped yuge.

My wife actually voted for him, and now she regrets it as do her parents. Their net worth dropped as their investments / retirement, and father-in-law's insurance went up-up-up. His insulin costs more than ever. Thanks Trump. You really put Pharma in their place.

He's killing the USA in so many ways. I want you to give more than, "I think the economy is strong in his period", because that is a false narative.

He never ended Quantitative Easing which he became addicted to the free money artificially propping up the economy in the meantime everybody in the nation is being taxed on their life earnings and getting paycuts as the dollar decreases and most people dont even know it.

I give a Dump a generous F+ grade on the economy.
 
He never ended Quantitative Easing which he became addicted to the free money artificially propping up the economy in the meantime everybody in the nation is being taxed on their life earnings and getting paycuts as the dollar decreases and most people dont even know it.

I give a Dump a generous F+ grade on the economy.

look what bush did to the economy...and now the bush's are hailed as hero's...

the bush family is filthy rich, but I bet they aren't paying a dime for 41's extravagant funeral.


I lost my ass in 2008
 
look what bush did to the economy...and now the bush's are hailed as hero's...

the bush family is filthy rich, but I bet they aren't paying a dime for 41's extravagant funeral.


I lost my ass in 2008
That was because people were given loans and didnt pay them back......not sure that was Bush's fault.
That was the idea that everybody should own a home.........we found out the hard way some people are renters not owners.
 
That was because people were given loans and didnt pay them back......not sure that was Bush's fault.
That was the idea that everybody should own a home.........we found out the hard way some people are renters not owners.

at the same time trumps economy was rolling right along before the fed raised interest rates...it seems the president gets credit/blame for the economy without circumstances being weighed.


at the same time I've got real issues with taxpayers footing the bill for 41's extravaganza...it's not like the bush family is broke...I wonder if things would have been scaled back if the bush's were paying?
 
I swear Trump supporters could be bent over and getting literally ****ed by Trump and they'd still be shouting out false equivalences.
 
I swear Trump supporters could be bent over and getting literally ****ed by Trump and they'd still be shouting out false equivalences.

lot of it is because republicans were afraid of being called isist's if they pushed back on liberal policies, this went on for many years.


trump hits back and that is why his supporters are so loyal. also why the liberals hate him so much, imo.


trump has become a cult figure of sorts to be honest.
 
at the same time trumps economy was rolling right along before the fed raised interest rates...it seems the president gets credit/blame for the economy without circumstances being weighed.


at the same time I've got real issues with taxpayers footing the bill for 41's extravaganza...it's not like the bush family is broke...I wonder if things would have been scaled back if the bush's were paying?

The Fed (un-Fed private bank) has more power than Dump or any other president who runs the joint.

Its really simple, if Dump was the real deal he would put his full support behind the Audit the Fed movement. So far he has not.
 
at the same time I've got real issues with taxpayers footing the bill for 41's extravaganza...it's not like the bush family is broke...I wonder if things would have been scaled back if the bush's were paying?

Think about the money we save now long term, look on the bright side.....we dont need to pay millions of tax payer funded Secret Service a year protecting that filthy trash of a dog Bush Sr. was. I would have paid for a funeral years ago.
 
The Fed (un-Fed private bank) has more power than Dump or any other president who runs the joint.

Its really simple, if Dump was the real deal he would put his full support behind the Audit the Fed movement. So far he has not.

i'm not sure trump has the balls to take on the fed. also not sure he would/could win if he tried.

at the same time for all we know the fed is doing exactly what trump and the powers that be want them too-who knows, right?
 
Think about the money we save now long term, look on the bright side.....we dont need to pay millions of tax payer funded Secret Service a year protecting that filthy trash of a dog Bush Sr. was. I would have paid for a funeral years ago.
The only filthy trash I'm seeing is you, bud.
 
lot of it is because republicans were afraid of being called isist's if they pushed back on liberal policies, this went on for many years. trump hits back and that is why his supporters are so loyal. also why the liberals hate him so much, imo. trump has become a cult figure of sorts to be honest.

They were affraid of being called names? Awe...
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Presidential Rankings by Historians
Many many people were asked... (Trumpism)

HOW DOES TRUMP STACK UP AGAINST THE BEST AND THE WORST PRESIDENTS?
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President Obama: 8th
President Trump: 44th

According to Republicans
President Obama: 16th!
President Trump: 40th --- LMAO

Liberal Poliies such as:
- Meals on Wheels
- National Endowment for the Arts
- etc.. list them.

IMHO: Here's what I think Trump is guilty of:
- Emoluments
- Collusion
- Obstruction
- Witness Tampering
- Bribery
- Treason
- Lying to Federal Agents / Congress
- Money Laundering

We'll all know soon enough. I can wait until the Mueller Investigation is done.
 
lot of it is because republicans were afraid of being called isist's if they pushed back on liberal policies, this went on for many years.


trump hits back and that is why his supporters are so loyal. also why the liberals hate him so much, imo.


trump has become a cult figure of sorts to be honest.

Trump's a fraud and many of his supporters are hypocrites and misinformed on facts. His supporters are loyal because they seem to believe that questioning him is tantamount to saying that Obama or Hillary was correct, even if what he says is an obvious lie. They're willing to go against the Constitution and existing laws to support what is usually a personal issue for Trump.

Pushing back on liberal policies by Republicans isn't new. The only way that Trump hits back differently is by tweeting about it, which shows that his supporters get distracted easily. He talks a lot and loudly, but doesn't follow through on anything because he can't focus for more than a few minutes.
 
They were affraid of being called names? Awe...
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Presidential Rankings by Historians
Many many people were asked... (Trumpism)

HOW DOES TRUMP STACK UP AGAINST THE BEST AND THE WORST PRESIDENTS?
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President Obama: 8th
President Trump: 44th

According to Republicans
President Obama: 16th!
President Trump: 40th --- LMAO

Liberal Poliies such as:
- Meals on Wheels
- National Endowment for the Arts
- etc.. list them.

IMHO: Here's what I think Trump is guilty of:
- Emoluments
- Collusion
- Obstruction
- Witness Tampering
- Bribery
- Treason
- Lying to Federal Agents / Congress
- Money Laundering

We'll all know soon enough. I can wait until the Mueller Investigation is done.

I can't wait until the mueller investigation is done so trump can have new AG appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the mueller investigation-geez, if only!!!
 
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