SARMs (never tried them), 21 y/o

TheSuppGuy

TheSuppGuy

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Hey! Wow... Where do I start...

It has been some time since I was here before. I had some account way back in the days which I forgot the login infos to. Luckily I could log into this newer one!

How is everyone doing? I'll start by introducing myself, my stats, my goals, my plans, and then leaving my questions and thoughts to you guys.

I am almost 21 now. Have been training hard for the past 4-5 years. Never taken a day off from eating sufficient amounts of protein. Cutting to a low bodyfat has been hard, and doing it a few times had tought me the principles of dieting, and the importance of lean and not dirty bulking. Long story short - I know how to diet very properly, and I now stick to a higher protein intake (up to 200g) which I feel has given me good results.

Last time I benched, I did 110kgs (245lbs) for a solid 8 reps, very clean and easy. My bodyweigtht is 75-76kgs (168-170lbs). I think my genetics are superior, muscle muilding wise, and insertions/bellies. Bro splits have worked very well for me, and I'm a little embarrased to admit it, but I still stick to that split, even though I know it is not the most optimal for a natural athlete. I can do ~20 proper full range of motion pullups in one set. I will admit though, that I need to improve my lower body (to match the gains of the upper). I am 174.5 cm tall.

I want to get bigger. I want to look bigger and to look like more than just a natural guy. That's why I back in the day considered AAS and prohormones. I'm thankful alot of people and alot of research led me to staying away from those. My natural testosterone (I have not tested the levels) seem to be skyhigh. I always feel very strong and my mood is good. My libido is usually off the charts. I can safely say I would guess my levels are in the upper range if not some more. This is where my concern is.

I want to believe Ostarine will benefit me. A lower dose, or possibly a dose up to 25-30mg, for a couple weeks. I want to think that this will put on some serious gains, that will stay with me, and I want to believe with a proper PCT and possibly some MK-677 on the side, this can be achieved, with my high test levels coming back, with "off the charts libido"... But in reality, I think this won't be the case, and I am afraif that it will not be.

MK-677 would be something to run. I don't question if I should do that or not. But Ostarine or/and LGD, eirher Ostarine by itself, or stacked with the LGD... I'm not really sure what to do here. From what I have read, Ostarine should not cause as much surpression as LGD. And I also read that shorter cycles can give good results too, and with a PCT containing Arimistane and DAA, you are all good to go. You will be back at 100% again and if diet and training + mindset is there, almost all gains will be left with you. Is this true? Does anyone have experience with these things? Is it an "investment" or should I be happy with what I have and keep going? I know I can keep going like this. But the gains of course can not be compared to if I would have ran something...

I hope I made myself clear. Maybe, maybe not. I am not from the US or the UK so my english is not the best..

If you did read through all of this, I very much appriciate it, and want to thank you. And another than you for all answers (any are welcome), whether they are critical or informative/helpful.

Have a great one guys! :)
 
TheSuppGuy said:
Hey! Wow... Where do I start...

It has been some time since I was here before. I had some account way back in the days which I forgot the login infos to. Luckily I could log into this newer one!

How is everyone doing? I'll start by introducing myself, my stats, my goals, my plans, and then leaving my questions and thoughts to you guys.

I am almost 21 now. Have been training hard for the past 4-5 years. Never taken a day off from eating sufficient amounts of protein. Cutting to a low bodyfat has been hard, and doing it a few times had tought me the principles of dieting, and the importance of lean and not dirty bulking. Long story short - I know how to diet very properly, and I now stick to a higher protein intake (up to 200g) which I feel has given me good results.

Last time I benched, I did 110kgs (245lbs) for a solid 8 reps, very clean and easy. My bodyweigtht is 75-76kgs (168-170lbs). I think my genetics are superior, muscle muilding wise, and insertions/bellies. Bro splits have worked very well for me, and I'm a little embarrased to admit it, but I still stick to that split, even though I know it is not the most optimal for a natural athlete. I can do ~20 proper full range of motion pullups in one set. I will admit though, that I need to improve my lower body (to match the gains of the upper). I am 174.5 cm tall.

I want to get bigger. I want to look bigger and to look like more than just a natural guy. That's why I back in the day considered AAS and prohormones. I'm thankful alot of people and alot of research led me to staying away from those. My natural testosterone (I have not tested the levels) seem to be skyhigh. I always feel very strong and my mood is good. My libido is usually off the charts. I can safely say I would guess my levels are in the upper range if not some more. This is where my concern is.

I want to believe Ostarine will benefit me. A lower dose, or possibly a dose up to 25-30mg, for a couple weeks. I want to think that this will put on some serious gains, that will stay with me, and I want to believe with a proper PCT and possibly some MK-677 on the side, this can be achieved, with my high test levels coming back, with "off the charts libido"... But in reality, I think this won't be the case, and I am afraif that it will not be.

MK-677 would be something to run. I don't question if I should do that or not. But Ostarine or/and LGD, eirher Ostarine by itself, or stacked with the LGD... I'm not really sure what to do here. From what I have read, Ostarine should not cause as much surpression as LGD. And I also read that shorter cycles can give good results too, and with a PCT containing Arimistane and DAA, you are all good to go. You will be back at 100% again and if diet and training + mindset is there, almost all gains will be left with you. Is this true? Does anyone have experience with these things? Is it an "investment" or should I be happy with what I have and keep going? I know I can keep going like this. But the gains of course can not be compared to if I would have ran something...

I hope I made myself clear. Maybe, maybe not. I am not from the US or the UK so my english is not the best..

If you did read through all of this, I very much appriciate it, and want to thank you. And another than you for all answers (any are welcome), whether they are critical or informative/helpful.

Have a great one guys! :)
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Glad to see you around here! As the person above said I would also stay away from anything due to your test being high. However, if you do try sarms I would recommend you to take MK677 (actually it is not a sarm instead it’s like a weaker version of the injectable growth hormone) let me explain why. Also I stole this from a website (im to lazy to type all of it)


MK-677 is a GH secretagogue taken orally (no injections needed). A GH secretagogue is simply a substance that signals the pituitary gland in your body to secrete more growth hormone.

Much like SARMs, it is non-steroidal, but contrary to popular belief, MK-677 is NOT a SARM in any capacity, despite commonly getting thrown into that category.

MK-677 will not negatively affect your testosterone levels in any capacity at all, so there is literally NO chance of any hormonal suppression. Consequently, you don’t need to take an aromatase inhibitor or complete a PCT phase after taking MK-677.

Right when this compound seems too good to be true, it gets even better. After orally taking a dose of MK-677, the compound will vastly increase the release of Growth Hormone (GH) and Insulin-Life Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1) for the next 24 hours via strong GH pulsations exerted in the pituitary gland.

These strong GH pulses MK-677 causes your body to create are much like the growth hormone releasing peptides that you may be more familiar with like GHRP-6, GHRP-2, Ipamorelin and Hexarelin.

The amazing thing, MK-677 causes over a dozen of these extremely strong GH pulsations over the next 24 hours from a single dose, and they don’t need injections at all like ALL other growth hormone releasing peptides require.


So basically all the benefits:
doesn’t require any injections as it has a high level of oral bioavailability
Only one dose is needed per day to reap ALL the benefits MK-677 has to offer while synthetic HGH injections and GH peptide injections need to be pinned SEVERAL times per day which can be a nuisance, not to mention extremely inconvenient if you are traveling (good luck storing your HGH and peptides in a fridge and getting all your injections in each day while traveling).
MK-677 causes 12 very strong GH pulsations from your pituitary gland after ingestion (you would need to inject GHRP-6 12+ times per day to achieve this same benefit from peptides)
It is stored at room temperature making it convenient for travel (HGH and GH peptides NEED to be stored in a fridge like I mentioned previously)
IGF-1 levels continue to increase with each consecutive day of use to extremely high levels (each consecutive dose continuously increases how much muscle your body is capable of packing on)
Body fat melts off so much easier
Weight gain is rapid and very noticeable (in a good way). It isn’t uncommon for someone to gain up to 10 pounds within their first week of using MK-677
Sleep quality is deeper and DRAMATICALLY improved from the increased GH output
Endurance is greatly enhanced
Improvement of your complexion
Dramatic increases in nitrogen retention result in crazy muscular fullness
Big increases of strength
Immune system operates at a heightened level.

If you need to know about the possible side effects I can let you know. I have been taking mk677 for literally 7 months now. (And I am packing a good amount of size and strength with very little side effects)
 
TheBigBrodie said:
Glad to see you around here! As the person above said I would also stay away from anything due to your test being high. However, if you do try sarms I would recommend you to take MK677 (actually it is not a sarm instead it’s like a weaker version of the injectable growth hormone) let me explain why. Also I stole this from a website (im to lazy to type all of it)


MK-677 is a GH secretagogue taken orally (no injections needed). A GH secretagogue is simply a substance that signals the pituitary gland in your body to secrete more growth hormone.

Much like SARMs, it is non-steroidal, but contrary to popular belief, MK-677 is NOT a SARM in any capacity, despite commonly getting thrown into that category.

MK-677 will not negatively affect your testosterone levels in any capacity at all, so there is literally NO chance of any hormonal suppression. Consequently, you don’t need to take an aromatase inhibitor or complete a PCT phase after taking MK-677.

Right when this compound seems too good to be true, it gets even better. After orally taking a dose of MK-677, the compound will vastly increase the release of Growth Hormone (GH) and Insulin-Life Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1) for the next 24 hours via strong GH pulsations exerted in the pituitary gland.

These strong GH pulses MK-677 causes your body to create are much like the growth hormone releasing peptides that you may be more familiar with like GHRP-6, GHRP-2, Ipamorelin and Hexarelin.

The amazing thing, MK-677 causes over a dozen of these extremely strong GH pulsations over the next 24 hours from a single dose, and they don’t need injections at all like ALL other growth hormone releasing peptides require.


So basically all the benefits:
doesn’t require any injections as it has a high level of oral bioavailability
Only one dose is needed per day to reap ALL the benefits MK-677 has to offer while synthetic HGH injections and GH peptide injections need to be pinned SEVERAL times per day which can be a nuisance, not to mention extremely inconvenient if you are traveling (good luck storing your HGH and peptides in a fridge and getting all your injections in each day while traveling).
MK-677 causes 12 very strong GH pulsations from your pituitary gland after ingestion (you would need to inject GHRP-6 12+ times per day to achieve this same benefit from peptides)
It is stored at room temperature making it convenient for travel (HGH and GH peptides NEED to be stored in a fridge like I mentioned previously)
IGF-1 levels continue to increase with each consecutive day of use to extremely high levels (each consecutive dose continuously increases how much muscle your body is capable of packing on)
Body fat melts off so much easier
Weight gain is rapid and very noticeable (in a good way). It isn’t uncommon for someone to gain up to 10 pounds within their first week of using MK-677
Sleep quality is deeper and DRAMATICALLY improved from the increased GH output
Endurance is greatly enhanced
Improvement of your complexion
Dramatic increases in nitrogen retention result in crazy muscular fullness
Big increases of strength
Immune system operates at a heightened level.

If you need to know about the possible side effects I can let you know. I have been taking mk677 for literally 7 months now. (And I am packing a good amount of size and strength with very little side effects)
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Thank you very much for the reply. I just ordered MK-677 from "pumpingironstore.com" and I have to say, I have ran 4 bottles of Somatozine before (MK-677 from MA Labbz) and love it!
 
TheSuppGuy said:
Thank you very much for the reply. I just ordered MK-677 from "pumpingironstore.com" and I have to say, I have ran 4 bottles of Somatozine before (MK-677 from MA Labbz) and love it!
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Good luck with it. Im also interested in MK677 being 43 mainly for the joint healing recovery side...or should I say WAS as there is concern (Published by Austrailian Gov) that Mk677 can lead to Blood sugar regulation ssues and worse still 'downstream' issues around it being carcinogenic to humans. Needless to say this surprised, annoyed me then put me off buying it :( Guess its down to individuals to weigh up risk/reward and I suppose lots of things including andros and PH's are/could be carcinogenic to some extent. Great post by the way enjoyed reading it.
 
jim2509 said:
Good luck with it. Im also interested in MK677 being 43 mainly for the joint healing recovery side...or should I say WAS as there is concern (Published by Austrailian Gov) that Mk677 can lead to Blood sugar regulation ssues and worse still 'downstream' issues around it being carcinogenic to humans. Needless to say this surprised, annoyed me then put me off buying it :( Guess its down to individuals to weigh up risk/reward and I suppose lots of things including andros and PH's are/could be carcinogenic to some extent. Great post by the way enjoyed reading it.
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Hey thank you so much for taking the time reading it! What do you mean with carcinogenic? (My English is not that great). I thought the only issues with MK-677 was the hunger... Which my the way was nuts. Every time I would take it at like 11PM, I would sleep and wake up to go to the bathroom, and I would find myself being so hungry, that my brain convinces me to go down and eat. And the apetite was just insane. I would down 2-3k kcal during those times... And I was trying to lose weigth at the time!

Do you have any studies with what you said before?
 
jim2509 said:
Good luck with it. Im also interested in MK677 being 43 mainly for the joint healing recovery side...or should I say WAS as there is concern (Published by Austrailian Gov) that Mk677 can lead to Blood sugar regulation ssues and worse still 'downstream' issues around it being carcinogenic to humans. Needless to say this surprised, annoyed me then put me off buying it :( Guess its down to individuals to weigh up risk/reward and I suppose lots of things including andros and PH's are/could be carcinogenic to some extent. Great post by the way enjoyed reading it.
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To be 100% honest your blood sugar can be maintained perfectly as long as you aren’t going wild with the carbs and you are taking gda’s
 
TheSuppGuy said:
Hey thank you so much for taking the time reading it! What do you mean with carcinogenic? (My English is not that great). I thought the only issues with MK-677 was the hunger... Which my the way was nuts. Every time I would take it at like 11PM, I would sleep and wake up to go to the bathroom, and I would find myself being so hungry, that my brain convinces me to go down and eat. And the apetite was just insane. I would down 2-3k kcal during those times... And I was trying to lose weigth at the time!

Do you have any studies with what you said before?
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Just some stuff i came across on an OZ site whilst debating with myself whether to order some. Some bloke who's a phd at cambridge uni did an interview around downstreaming issues with sarms and reckoned a big paper will be released in 2019 about it....BUT it could be full of nonsense who knows?? Just read a study tonight actually which seemed quite positive about MK677 although it wasnt run long..
doses were 10mg and 50 mg over 4 days or so. Am starting to look at it in more positive light.
 
TheBigBrodie said:
To be 100% honest your blood sugar can be maintained perfectly as long as you aren’t going wild with the carbs and you are taking gda’s
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Thanks for the info about carbs. I generally hit an average between 180-220 g.....would that cause issues in your opinion?

What gda would you recommend...was only planning on running 10mg a day for healing benefits....you think that would cause a bigspike??
 
jim2509 said:
Thanks for the info about carbs. I generally hit an average between 180-220 g.....would that cause issues in your opinion?

What gda would you recommend...was only planning on running 10mg a day for healing benefits....you think that would cause a bigspike??
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200 grams is a pushy. I would drop it to 180 or 150. Also I use slinmax and controlled labs blue sugar. (Either one will work perfectly) also I use some apple cider vinegar immediately after taking mk677 just in case my glucose levels want to act up immediately.
 
Definitely invest in GDAs of some kind. I like plain old cheap-as-fxck berberine, 300mg per 40-50g carbs. Drives it right into the muscle. Forskolin also has somewhat of a GDA effect I believe.

Also, as above, mk677 always a good choice if you want to dip toes in the big kid pool but still have highly functioning testes. I would suggest cardarine, but whenever I do someone brings up cancer. So look into other PPARd agonists, or cardarine.
 
TheBigBrodie said:
200 grams is a pushy. I would drop it to 180 or 150. Also I use slinmax and controlled labs blue sugar. (Either one will work perfectly) also I use some apple cider vinegar immediately after taking mk677 just in case my glucose levels want to act up immediately.
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Ok thanks will do. Berberine looks cheap as and effective I'll look at keeping carbs at 150g max and will prob invest in a blood glucose monitor and will take 10mg MK677 at night 90 mins before bed.
 
Old Witch said:
Definitely invest in GDAs of some kind. I like plain old cheap-as-fxck berberine, 300mg per 40-50g carbs. Drives it right into the muscle. Forskolin also has somewhat of a GDA effect I believe.

Also, as above, mk677 always a good choice if you want to dip toes in the big kid pool but still have highly functioning testes. I would suggest cardarine, but whenever I do someone brings up cancer. So look into other PPARd agonists, or cardarine.
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Thanksfor your advice Berberine looks a great and cheap addition.
 
jim2509 said:
Ok thanks will do. Berberine looks cheap as and effective I'll look at keeping carbs at 150g max and will prob invest in a blood glucose monitor and will take 10mg MK677 at night 90 mins before bed.
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For the first 2 months I was only on 10mg daily. And it still put on a beautiful amount of size and mass. Very little side effects.
 
Old Witch said:
Definitely invest in GDAs of some kind. I like plain old cheap-as-fxck berberine, 300mg per 40-50g carbs. Drives it right into the muscle. Forskolin also has somewhat of a GDA effect I believe.

Also, as above, mk677 always a good choice if you want to dip toes in the big kid pool but still have highly functioning testes. I would suggest cardarine, but whenever I do someone brings up cancer. So look into other PPARd agonists, or cardarine.
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Do you mean cardarine is a non surpressing thing, compared to like Ostarine?
 
TheBigBrodie said:
For the first 2 months I was only on 10mg daily. And it still put on a beautiful amount of size and mass. Very little side effects.
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This sounds great. I have just ordered Muscle Rage MK677 (MK 47) at 10mg per dose 60 caps.

I will take 10mg a day at night and the Berberine with my large carb meals and monitor blood glucose. Been looking at other forums and lots of people on larger doses and cramming in 500g carbs + without sides....crazy. Im hoping itll help with recovery, healing, joints and general health as nearly 44 now. Any size would be a bonus of course ;)

I hear people are running a couple of months with 8 weeks off to stop body becoming used to it. Any views on cycling??
 
jim2509 said:
This sounds great. I have just ordered Muscle Rage MK677 (MK 47) at 10mg per dose 60 caps.

I will take 10mg a day at night and the Berberine with my large carb meals and monitor blood glucose. Been looking at other forums and lots of people on larger doses and cramming in 500g carbs + without sides....crazy. Im hoping itll help with recovery, healing, joints and general health as nearly 44 now. Any size would be a bonus of course ;)

I hear people are running a couple of months with 8 weeks off to stop body becoming used to it. Any views on cycling??
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Will do the same starting this weekend, just received 120 caps 10mg sasquatch.
 
Logray said:
Will do the same starting this weekend, just received 120 caps 10mg sasquatch.
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A good amount of caps for price. I saw Immortal Science line but couldnt find many reviews on their MK677 so played it safe. You'll have to let us know how you get on with it?
 
jim2509 said:
A good amount of caps for price. I saw Immortal Science line but couldnt find many reviews on their MK677 so played it safe. You'll have to let us know how you get on with it?
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Of course! I choose them mainly for the price,I could not find many reviews either. This is going to be my first not natty supp, and the first time with MK so dont know what to look for using this small dose. I'm going to take potassium-read that it helps with water retention and bloating- and melatonin. Hope the sleep would be that good as I read it here.

Can you also write something about your experience?
 
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Logray said:
Of course! I choose them mainly for the price,I could not find many reviews either. This is going to be my first not natty supp, and the first time with MK so dont know what to look for using this small dose. I'm going to take potassium-read that it helps with water retention and bloating- and melatonin. Hope the sleep would be that good as I read it here.

Can you also write something about your experience?
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Will do and lets hope we both get some benefit from it.
 
Logray said:
Hope so :D
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Opened the bottle, pretty chemical smell. 1 cap 20 minute before bed. The only intresting thing is I slept trougth the night and woke up by myself after six and half.hour of sleep 10 minutes before my alarm goes off. I always wake up to pee at least one time for the last 6 month, no exeptions. This is weird.
 
Logray said:
Opened the bottle, pretty chemical smell. 1 cap 20 minute before bed. The only intresting thing is I slept trougth the night and woke up by myself after six and half.hour of sleep 10 minutes before my alarm goes off. I always wake up to pee at least one time for the last 6 month, no exeptions. This is weird.
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Probably the water retention + the deeper sleep! Took 20mg tonight. Feeling all lethargy all day today! Love it building muscle:)
 
TheSuppGuy said:
Probably the water retention + the deeper sleep! Took 20mg tonight. Feeling all lethargy all day today! Love it building muscle:)
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Up 8lbs :D But i cant see it :D Sleep is good. When sholud the hunger increase kick in? Or should I try 20mg for a few days?

Also Ive got such a bad pump in my back I can barely reach back :D
 
TheSuppGuy said:
Damm! Where did you get your stuff from? I mean, what brand is it?
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The brand is immortal sciences. Intresting thing is I slept like a baby for the first two days on 10mg but I sleep normally since then, maybe a little more refreshed in the morning.
 
Logray said:
The brand is immortal sciences. Intresting thing is I slept like a baby for the first two days on 10mg but I sleep normally since then, maybe a little more refreshed in the morning.
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Hmmm. To be honest, my sleep got messed up after starting taking MK... I'm not sure if it is placebo or so, but I already had great sleep. Anyways, the water retention gives me insane pump and strength has went up crazily. Currently im cutting at 10mg a day, but took 20mg yesterday to get the strength benefits the next day etc. I did not feel any hunger at all, not sure why.... I'm scared my stuff may be bunk... But still I dont think so since I alot of times feel lethargic and feel the mk kick in just minutes after I take it. Like some kind of tiredness or so. I drink up to 400mg of caffeine and take clen though, which is maybe why my sleep is a little off and why my apetite is not up there...
 
TheSuppGuy said:
Hmmm. To be honest, my sleep got messed up after starting taking MK... I'm not sure if it is placebo or so, but I already had great sleep. Anyways, the water retention gives me insane pump and strength has went up crazily. Currently im cutting at 10mg a day, but took 20mg yesterday to get the strength benefits the next day etc. I did not feel any hunger at all, not sure why.... I'm scared my stuff may be bunk... But still I dont think so since I alot of times feel lethargic and feel the mk kick in just minutes after I take it. Like some kind of tiredness or so. I drink up to 400mg of caffeine and take clen though, which is maybe why my sleep is a little off and why my apetite is not up there...
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I take 400+ caff daily also. Mk after eating, 20 min before bed. Pump is great too. :D
 
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