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Ostarine and liver damage

Jinsun said:
No, it was not just one guy, where do you get that idea? Read my post again :)

I think app 10% had elevated, above the range, enzymes at 3mg dose. If it was just one offcourse that wouldn't mean anything. Again, that's 10% on a 3mg dose. We take 10x that dose, so it's really not surprising that people have elevated enzymes on ostarine. I'm not debating this anymore bc it's getting kinda silly at this point :)
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Again there were no argument for human consumption and also you can't possible believe that study showed any danger?
 
Jinsun said:
Yeah, enzymes fall down rapidly once you remove the stressor. But what was the damage done is another question. From talking with you thus far I see that you are quite liberal regarding oral aas use. I am a bit more careful and would say that a) it's better to be more careful then less, b) you never know how your body, organs will react to a compound and c) you never know how pure is the compound you are taking. Be careful, people read this forum posts as absolutes and act upon them accordingly...
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This is a good point worth stressing - there has to be end user accountability. Drugs do affect people differently, all the time, and if only 10% get a side from something...that’s still worth paying attention to - after all, SOMEBODY has to fall into that 10%, without a doubt. It could be me, or you, but regardless of what I or any bro says on this forum, when you take this stuff it’s your own health on the line.

When you’re in uncharted waters, best to proceed cautiously and conservatively until you see how you’re reacting. You only get one body.
 
Hyde said:
This is a good point worth stressing - there has to be end user accountability. Drugs do affect people differently, all the time, and if only 10% get a side from something...that’s still worth paying attention to - after all, SOMEBODY has to fall into that 10%, without a doubt. It could be me, or you, but regardless of what I or any bro says on this forum, when you take this stuff it’s your own health on the line.

When you’re in uncharted waters, best to proceed cautiously and conservatively until you see how you’re reacting. You only get one body.
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Excatly!

Also, that's 10% at only 3mg. If they were to take 25mg like we do, it would probably go up to 50%, 75%... with 5 - 10% outliers with abnormally high values like me. 3mg is really not a lot, that is probably the reason why only a few had elevated enzymes. I mean, take 3mg of SD, and how many will have elevated enzymes?
 
Chados said:
Yeah I don't get it either but hey.. I now also knows it's not a rumour but a fact that a lot of sarms doesn't have the right ingredients or the wrong amounts claimed on the bottle. There's also obviously a chance something else caused it.. I believe taking blood after a tough workout can put you at very crazy levels.
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In that 2017 study everyone talks about where they found the SARMS were mostly tainted, they claimed to find around 1mg of "androstatrienolone"

Trienolone... That's Tren. 1mg dose? Oral? Methyl mother fxcking Tren.
 
Jinsun said:
Excatly!

Also, that's 10% at only 3mg. If they were to take 25mg like we do, it would probably go up to 50%, 75%... with 5 - 10% outliers with abnormally high values like me. 3mg is really not a lot, that is probably the reason why only a few had elevated enzymes. I mean, take 3mg of SD, and how many will have elevated enzymes?
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Again that's only a few.. A person thats overweight might have higher values and be completely healthy besides that. Most common to why people experience this are because of medicin, viruses/illness and alcohol. The people in the study were also quite old if I remember correctly and I think it's far more likely someone had a rough life rather than they being more sensitive and their liver values skyrocketed. I can guarantee you can take 3mg sd 16 weeks and be fine.. I wouldn't recommend it though. I believe running it at 30mg for 6 weeks must be tougher on the body, arguably not for hpta restoration. The gains would probably suck too so it would be a waste.


It's hard but obviously possible to overdose aas but it's definitely possible to overdose medicin we got at home at any given day.
 
Old Witch said:
In that 2017 study everyone talks about where they found the SARMS were mostly tainted, they claimed to find around 1mg of "androstatrienolone"

Trienolone... That's Tren. 1mg dose? Oral? Methyl mother fxcking Tren.
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I haven't seen that but yeah that's crazy.. Whole point of sarms is to be side friendly. Adding tren would be like putting cocain in your water
 
Hyde said:
Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) at 900-1000mg/day if you’re only taking a single thing - it is a very powerful antioxidant.

If you’re willing to take 2 things, add N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC) at 1,000mg/day as well is excellent liver support for the cost.

Can get em both cheap from Swanson, Amazon, Walmart.
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Mandatory ATLEAST those 2
 
Chados said:
But you're looking at (one) study and you look at (one) guy that failed the test not at all the others who didn't? Isn't it more resonable that person got bad values for another reason? Or maybe it was osta but his liver wasn't working normally. I've ran 25mg and had no problems. I've ran 10 from another brand and same thing.


If we both take something toxic to our liver one will fail before the other. We don't know which one but we know it's toxic. This doesn't mean ostarine is considered highly toxic or even alarming. Anything in medicin almost will affect values and many that we use daily far worse than aas or sarms
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Exactly.
 
We have to know , once we go down the PED road we may have sides.
Elevated livers values. Crashed Test. Ragging boner/no boner.
Got to be ok with the possibility.
SARMS are new and not side free.
 
JoePaul39 said:
TUDCA
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You would take TUDCA for Ostarine??

You could take the money you’d spend on TUDCA for 8+ weeks and instead for $65 have a bloods from PrivateMDLabs for a full CMP at say 6 weeks. Then you will either know it’s harmless for you or if seeing things you don’t like can easily discontinue use.
 
Hyde said:
You would take TUDCA for Ostarine??

You could take the money you’d spend on TUDCA for 8+ weeks and instead for $65 have a bloods from PrivateMDLabs for a full CMP at say 6 weeks. Then you will either know it’s harmless for you or if seeing things you don’t like can easily discontinue use.
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I’m just saying if one was set on running Ostarine they could probably take TUDCA and wouldn’t have to worry about the liver values or having to stop the cycle because of it.
 
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