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I have seen lots of talk about Dmz vs Msten but how about a combo cycle. Is it worth it to stack them and if so what dosages would be best for lean size gains? Epiandro can be thrown in the mix to help with lethargy. I know a test base would be best for any cycle but that's not an option now.
My thoughts are
20mg msten
30 mg Dmz
600 to 1000mg epiandro
These will be VL products.
Dmz and msten are pretty toxic so lower doses maybe better. I am open for ideas.. I might try a single msten run first just to see how I react/respond to it.
I am not looking to have someone layout a full plan. I am just interested in people's opinions especially if they have ran a combo like this or have ideas.
Looking primarily to gain some keepable mass and increase strength during cycle and then get ready to cut next year.
Will be in a calorie surplus.
Age is mid 40s.
6' 197lb
Consistent training over last 10 years, a lot of it has been conditioning work but switched over to more bodybuilding last 2 years. The conditioning had me in great shape but found it difficult to keep muscle mass up so I switched gears.
Diet in check most of the time.
Usually anywhere from 15to 22% bf depending on cardio and time of year.
I have done 2 epiandro and 1 andro cycles and 1 solo Dmz cycle 30mg ramped to 45mg.
Gained more mass and felt better on Dmz than the combo andro cycle (less lethergy).
On cycle support would be basic otc combo products that include tudca, nac and bp support. I imagine a bit extra tudca would be helpfull. Suggestions are welcome
Would use a pretty standard pct protocol with nolva and otc test booster. Possibly a natty anabolic like Vector during pct also because I have a bottle. Input is welcome.
Would have an AI available through the whole thing as well but not to sure about what one. I could most definitely use advice on that. Better safe than sorry....
Thanks in advance to anybody that gets involved in this thread.
My thoughts are
20mg msten
30 mg Dmz
600 to 1000mg epiandro
These will be VL products.
Dmz and msten are pretty toxic so lower doses maybe better. I am open for ideas.. I might try a single msten run first just to see how I react/respond to it.
I am not looking to have someone layout a full plan. I am just interested in people's opinions especially if they have ran a combo like this or have ideas.
Looking primarily to gain some keepable mass and increase strength during cycle and then get ready to cut next year.
Will be in a calorie surplus.
Age is mid 40s.
6' 197lb
Consistent training over last 10 years, a lot of it has been conditioning work but switched over to more bodybuilding last 2 years. The conditioning had me in great shape but found it difficult to keep muscle mass up so I switched gears.
Diet in check most of the time.
Usually anywhere from 15to 22% bf depending on cardio and time of year.
I have done 2 epiandro and 1 andro cycles and 1 solo Dmz cycle 30mg ramped to 45mg.
Gained more mass and felt better on Dmz than the combo andro cycle (less lethergy).
On cycle support would be basic otc combo products that include tudca, nac and bp support. I imagine a bit extra tudca would be helpfull. Suggestions are welcome
Would use a pretty standard pct protocol with nolva and otc test booster. Possibly a natty anabolic like Vector during pct also because I have a bottle. Input is welcome.
Would have an AI available through the whole thing as well but not to sure about what one. I could most definitely use advice on that. Better safe than sorry....
Thanks in advance to anybody that gets involved in this thread.