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Jinsun said:
Finally somebody sane :)

Btw I don't believe he is only 170 or is he that short? Bc in this pictures he looks to be at arround 24 - 25 FFMI...

Ps. damn the guy in the above pic has some gyno lol
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I guess I didn't think about it too much considering he has my gym teacher's physique, but when you put it like that it does seem highly suspect. He claims 170 in the dead arm hang video vs Jesse he did. "But if I strap on 90lbs, I'll be like, 260."

And yes, mad gyno. Poor guy.
 
I can guarantee the guy that stood for this in the 3rd century AD was natty

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Reg Park in the 1940s

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He could be on juice for all i know and i dont really give a sh1t all im saying is its ridiculous that all you guys seem to think it's impossible to have a physique like that without it.

Ps. Its not
 
Well, he does spend all day in the gym quite literally. That's got to count for something. I'm sure he doesn't just stand around while his clients are hoping for demonstration. Seems like the type who does a whole set with perfect form and contraction every time he would set you up for a new movement.
 
Old Witch said:
Well, he does spend all day in the gym quite literally. That's got to count for something. I'm sure he doesn't just stand around while his clients are hoping for demonstration. Seems like the type who does a whole set with perfect form and contraction every time he would set you up for a new movement.
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He’s actually one of those hardcore “Don’t overtrain!” guys. He always says 45 minutes max, and you should never workout for longer then an hour. I believe he works out around 3 hours a week, assuming he follows his own rules.
 
YoungThor said:
He’s actually one of those hardcore “Don’t overtrain!” guys. He always says 45 minutes max, and you should never workout for longer then an hour. I believe he works out around 3 hours a week, assuming he follows his own rules.
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You're right, I actually forgot to factor that in. Dang this guy is as slippery fxcker to pin down.
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Bet the guy that stood for that didnt look like that either. Lol
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Are you saying that they somehow knew what a guy that size would look like, despite never seeing it before or knowing it was possible?
BTW there is archaeological evidence that shows people with this level of muscularity were walking around at this time
 
AlexPowell said:
Are you saying that they somehow knew what a guy that size would look like, despite never seeing it before or knowing it was possible?
BTW there is archaeological evidence that shows people with this level of muscularity were walking around at this time
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They probably ate all beef too huh?
 
DemntedCowboy said:
They probably ate all beef too huh?
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Actually the diet in classical and Ancient Greece was highly dependent upon beef and lamb. Very carnivorous. They also had a special word for the look on the face of a man dying of a heart attack.
 
Old Witch said:
You're right, I actually forgot to factor that in. Dang this guy is as slippery fxcker to pin down.
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Thats probably what he tells people so that people new to training dont burn themselves out right away. When you're as experienced as this guy its not likely that you'll overtrain.
 
AlexPowell said:
I can guarantee the guy that stood for this in the 3rd century AD was natty

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Interesting fact of the day - back then having a small penis was seen as a good thing. It stood for moderation and actually was deemed a more masculine trait than a big penis (associated with lustful idiots).....
 
Whisky said:
Interesting fact of the day - back then having a small penis was seen as a good thing. It stood for moderation and actually was deemed a more masculine trait than a big penis (associated with lustful idiots).....
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And now I know.. Thanks dude
 
Old Witch said:
Actually the diet in classical and Ancient Greece was highly dependent upon beef and lamb. Very carnivorous. They also had a special word for the look on the face of a man dying of a heart attack.
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I know they ate tons of lamb and goat too. I was just giving him some sh*t, but obviously he doesn't take jokes to well.
AlexPowell said:
Imagine knowing this little about history
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Actually, I have studied history quite a bit. And have experienced even more. I have walked through the Garden of Eden, walked the beaches of Normandy, been to Dachau Concentration Camp, walked among the pyramids, and have even been feet from the Vatican. Even stood at King Alexander's Castle in Afghanistan. But, you know whatever.
The one thing I would love to do and maybe oneday will go is to go and stand in the "Hot Gates"
 
Jinsun said:
Was thinking the other day... Lots of fitness youtuber's look like they are on cycle year round. Jujimufu, Calum, Bradley Martin, Kali, Jeff Cavalier, and all other fu*k boyz that shoot videos on a daily...

What do you guys think? Just very high trt or basically on cycle most of the time...? I think I would cycle between aas and peptides if I was on display all the time like that.
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The athlean x guy? He's like a 170lbs. Lol he barely can be accused of gear, never mind on cycle year round
 
Geoffr said:
Lmao Scott Herman and Jeff Cav are not that big, they have been lifting for 20+ years combined. They appear natural which I believe they are. If you guys think you can’t obtain that naturally you either eat like **** or train like **** or both.
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This right here.

And why you butthurt bitches give 2 ****s what any1 else is doing. Get some ****in lives and stop whining about other ppl
 
Whisky said:
Interesting fact of the day - back then having a small penis was seen as a good thing. It stood for moderation and actually was deemed a more masculine trait than a big penis (associated with lustful idiots).....
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That was there excuse for having a tiny crank lol
 
Transhuman said:
Where is this archaeological evidence that people the size of Hercules were walking around?
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Yes, I would like to know too. I'm sure they have found some skeletal remains of then. But, how did they figure out the muscle structure of these people. Or did they mumify some built MF's while still alive and leave them as is.
 
Just like now, there were natural people who look much leaner/bigger than most. Just because they knew muscle structure does not mean it was normal for people to be walking around looking like a Greek God. Lol it isn't hard to depict what someone would look like with bigger muscles.
 
Didn't the Greeks And Romans just spend all their time wrestling animals though? I mean, at least, that's how the art looks...
 
Smont said:
The athlean x guy? He's like a 170lbs. Lol he barely can be accused of gear, never mind on cycle year round
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He is more like 190 at 8% bf with full muscles not all dried up. And the point of this thread was how are all these youtubers looking like they are on cycle year round not IF they are on cycle or IF they cycle at all lol
 
Well, I think the trick to looking great year round is stop trying to grow. Then you can get that perfect maintenance recipe going where you're always calorically breaking even, not gaining an ounce of fat or losing an ounce of glycogen.
 
Jinsun said:
He is more like 190 at 8% bf with full muscles not all dried up. And the point of this thread was how are all these youtubers looking like they are on cycle year round not IF they are on cycle or IF they cycle at all lol
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He's listed as 5'8 165lbs
 
Look at Marc lobliner and jerry ward and many other posting about there HRT regimens. Marc’s recent video showed his hrt protocol of 300mg test cyp per week 200mg deca per week, adex, sermorelin etc.. by bodybuilding standards those doses are laughable but they will def be way better than staying natural. I myself am on higher TRT and very much prefer that than cycling and coming off.. when you are off you will eventually loose all that you have built through hormonal means.. it may not be right away but eventually it will go.. that’s why we cycle in the first place
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Actually according to his online profile and you can go see my other post #49. He's listed at 5'8" and between 185-195.
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And by the looks of him I'd say he's at the upper end of that range or above :)

Anyway, it must be a struggle to look full and cut year round. How would you guys acchieve this?
 
Jinsun said:
And by the looks of him I'd say he's at the upper end of that range or above :)

Anyway, it must be a struggle to look full and cut year round. How would you guys acchieve this?
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He might have toothpick legs though. He always wears pants.
 
Jinsun said:
And by the looks of him I'd say he's at the upper end of that range or above :)

Anyway, it must be a struggle to look full and cut year round. How would you guys acchieve this?
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You could try his diet and workout and see if it gets you the same or similar results.
 
i think problem comes when drug users claim no, to take others money. the wfn 'scandal' showed lobliner using tren as well as his 300mg of -cough- hrt drugs. tren not approved for hrt, lol! yet he say, "buy this this and this" - not cool.

another very amazing claim is mike ohearn - almost 50 and not even hrt???! very, very impressive, lol

on flip side, obviously not all "naturals" on drugs - and old school 1900's guys and before can no way be on anything but hard work and lots of meat! i think natural federation competitors who only do for pot metal trophy - are indeed drug free. if they sell something though, i at least wary. also incentive for "natural only" trainers (like eric helms et al.) to trumpet "no drugs - all hard work" for everyone, because he make money training naturals. having all people say "i can do it too!" very good for him. i have utmost respect for him, just showing no one immune to the mighty dollar (and i don't think he lying, he believes truly).

and that may be difference - 1900s guys have amazing work ethic - hard times to live. today 20 somethings have iphone instant gratification "must have now!!!" attitude - need more subs, need more followers - much more drug likely i say.

i dont care - i think as long as no other human hurt, do whatever you want - but when lots of money involved, occam's razor is most likely answer. luckily i too old and (hopefully) smart - to fall for lobliner like supplement claims! lol!
 
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How many guys use drugs now days and don’t even achieve this physique because they never nailed down training and diet? Or how many surpass this physique by a lot and then just look like a mutant freak? This is Eugene Sandow for those who don’t know. I think even in today’s drugged up and photoshopped culture both men and women still admire a great natural build like his. I know I have the genetics, as do many of you, to achieve this physique naturally, but at the same time anabolic drugs are fun haha. But ultimately you don’t need them.
 
Here’s my take on this, although there has been some great comments in this thread:
There’s two types of enthusiasts:
Those of us that have done this a minute and know what it takes to achieve physiques of that caliber, and the other 90% that don’t. Those are these YouTuber’s target audience. Basically me when I was 17 years old and started reading Muscle and Fitness and bought Mike O Hearn’s Tips and Tricks to become a successful bodybuilder booklet and was convinced I could do what he did naturally. It was 4 years before I considered anything other than food, supplements, and training. I was skepticism-free and a complete sucker for anyone with something to sell to me that would build muscle without becoming a “cheater”...

I have no problem with these guys targeting the same kids, with an approach that won’t alienate these kids’ parents and will leave them more open to get sponsorships and endorsements by keeping tight-lipped about ped’s. More power to them.

Do I think ANY of them are natural? Not really, and more importantly, I don’t care.
 
YoungThor said:
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How many guys use drugs now days and don’t even achieve this physique because they never nailed down training and diet? Or how many surpass this physique by a lot and then just look like a mutant freak? This is Eugene Sandow for those who don’t know. I think even in today’s drugged up and photoshopped culture both men and women still admire a great natural build like his. I know I have the genetics, as do many of you, to achieve this physique naturally, but at the same time anabolic drugs are fun haha. But ultimately you don’t need them.
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The biggest thing I see is that chest development has improved by a good bit since then, likely due to improved equipment for working chest, like bench presses and incline presses. Sandow has a very respectable physique, but not really a chest that is up to the level of his other body parts by today’s standards. His physique with a more “modern” chest in what we’d consider in proportion with the rest of his body would put him at a VERY solid level for a natty lifter, and there’s no reason to assume he wouldn’t have a chest in proportion with the rest of his body if he had access to today’s equipment.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
The biggest thing I see is that chest development has improved by a good bit since then, likely due to improved equipment for working chest, like bench presses and incline presses. Sandow has a very respectable physique, but not really a chest that is up to the level of his other body parts by today’s standards. His physique with a more “modern” chest in what we’d consider in proportion with the rest of his body would put him at a VERY solid level for a natty lifter, and there’s no reason to assume he wouldn’t have a chest in proportion with the rest of his body if he had access to today’s equipment.
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Right outta the gates what I see compared to a steroid user: shoulders and traps. He has very very small shoulders and traps compared to someone on gear that doesn’t even directly train them at all. And I’ll bet he did to a degree. That’s where so many androgen receptors are. I usually have to stop training them during long blasts because they grow too fast compared to other parts.
 
Matthersby said:
Right outta the gates what I see compared to a steroid user: shoulders and traps. He has very very small shoulders and traps compared to someone on gear that doesn’t even directly train them at all. And I’ll bet he did to a degree. That’s where so many androgen receptors are. I usually have to stop training them during long blasts because they grow too fast compared to other parts.
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I’m taking about relevant to a natural lifter. As far as they go, pretty much everything of his is at least respectable, with somewhat of an “underdeveloped” chest by modern standards. I would guess that he trains shoulders more and chest less than your average serious natural lifter today, as the equipment and lifts they had/did likely focused more on standing presses and whatnot than lying or incline chest presses.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I’m taking about relevant to a natural lifter. As far as they go, pretty much everything of his is at least respectable, with somewhat of an “underdeveloped” chest by modern standards. I would guess that he trains shoulders more and chest less than your average serious natural lifter today, as the equipment and lifts they had/did likely focused more on standing presses and whatnot than lying or incline chest presses.
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Oh my bad. Wasn’t sure either way. But I always think in terms of steroids.

Ya, and that’s why he has his own trophy. Some natural lifters NOW probably couldn’t achieve this. Serious props to him always.
 
Matthersby said:
Oh my bad. Wasn’t sure either way. But I always think in terms of steroids.

Ya, and that’s why he has his own trophy. Some natural lifters NOW probably couldn’t achieve this. Serious props to him always.
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For sure, he was ahead of his time and above what most people today will ever achieve. There’s no reason to believe that if he was alive today he wouldn’t adapt and still excel, either as a natural or assisted, whichever he chose.
 
I see no reason why you wouldn’t expect Jeff, who is a serious athlete/trainer of middle age, NOT to be on HRT - if you devote your life to serious training, this is a natural extension for optimal health.

He doesn’t look gassed up; he just looks exceptionally lean and full - but guys at that age normally don’t have the hormones to support that any more, so HRT is very probable. Which is fine!
 
Mike O Hearn gets me the most though. He’s almost gotdam 50. And strong af, peeled. If he can lie for 25 years, all of em can.
 
I'd be willing to bet that the percentage of guys 40+ who think that Jeff Cavaliere is all natural is lower than the guys under 40 because they've experienced first hand what the effects of hitting middle age has on your training, recovery and potential. I've seen young guys with great genetics who were able to attain and maintain that kind of physique but the problem here is that Jeff is 43 years old now.

Don't get me wrong I actually like Jeff's videos and I don't really care if he's "supplementing", but I'm very skeptical that a 43 year old man can naturally maintain year round single digit body fat levels to the point that the guy has striations in his chest and in some of his videos he looks like an anatomy chart. I don't care how great his genetics, training and diet are I'm guessing that at the very least he's on low dose test and calling it "TRT" and that way he can still claim "natural".

Also this "Jeff can't be on gear because he isn't really all that big." doesn't hold up in my opinion. Just because he isn't Dorian Yates size doesn't mean anything. If you passed the average bicycle racer in the street you'd be hard pressed to believe that they even work out yet those guys are on all kinds of PED's. They aren't big because they aren't specifically training for size.
 
johnl1800 said:
I'd be willing to bet that the percentage of guys 40+ who think that Jeff Cavaliere is all natural is lower than the guys under 40 because they've experienced first hand what the effects of hitting middle age has on your training, recovery and potential. I've seen young guys with great genetics who were able to attain and maintain that kind of physique but the problem here is that Jeff is 43 years old now.

Don't get me wrong I actually like Jeff's videos and I don't really care if he's "supplementing", but I'm very skeptical that a 43 year old man can naturally maintain year round single digit body fat levels to the point that the guy has striations in his chest and in some of his videos he looks like an anatomy chart. I don't care how great his genetics, training and diet are I'm guessing that at the very least he's on low dose test and calling it "TRT" and that way he can still claim "natural".

Also this "Jeff can't be on gear because he isn't really all that big." doesn't hold up in my opinion. Just because he isn't Dorian Yates size doesn't mean anything. If you passed the average bicycle racer in the street you'd be hard pressed to believe that they even work out yet those guys are on all kinds of PED's. They aren't big because they aren't specifically training for size.
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This is very well said. Agree completely.
 
johnl1800 said:
I'd be willing to bet that the percentage of guys 40+ who think that Jeff Cavaliere is all natural is lower than the guys under 40 because they've experienced first hand what the effects of hitting middle age has on your training, recovery and potential. I've seen young guys with great genetics who were able to attain and maintain that kind of physique but the problem here is that Jeff is 43 years old now.

Don't get me wrong I actually like Jeff's videos and I don't really care if he's "supplementing", but I'm very skeptical that a 43 year old man can naturally maintain year round single digit body fat levels to the point that the guy has striations in his chest and in some of his videos he looks like an anatomy chart. I don't care how great his genetics, training and diet are I'm guessing that at the very least he's on low dose test and calling it "TRT" and that way he can still claim "natural".

Also this "Jeff can't be on gear because he isn't really all that big." doesn't hold up in my opinion. Just because he isn't Dorian Yates size doesn't mean anything. If you passed the average bicycle racer in the street you'd be hard pressed to believe that they even work out yet those guys are on all kinds of PED's. They aren't big because they aren't specifically training for size.
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Right. Except Jeff specifically claims no TRT. And that's my only beef here. Lying. I hate a liar.
 
Old Witch said:
Right. Except Jeff specifically claims no TRT. And that's my only beef here. Lying. I hate a liar.
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I agree, it’s irritating as hell. But if you were told you stand to jeopardize over 75% of your potential income in this business, bare minimum, you may find ways to justify it. Personally, I’m after a comfortable lucrative income, if I had a career in this business, I’d keep tight-lipped as hell about drugs. However, where I’m gonna agree with you 110%, is how these guys choose to address these questions and THEN lie about it. Much different than Cutler or Heath, or really most any Olympia competitor who just successfully dodged the question altogether. I find that no different than lying on an application to get a better job. ive definitely done that...
 
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