muscleupcrohn
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Plastic surgery and fashion to compliments one's great physique.
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tyga tyga
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He’s made awesome progress as well and has an outstanding physique
hairygrandpa
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Hm. I think his ears are weird though.
muscleupcrohn
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I think this thread may have given you a new fetish?
christ83189
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Yeah they are a little weird lol
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muscleupcrohn
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Just stick the whole mouse onto your face and I guarantee no one will be looking at your jawline.
hairygrandpa
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Okay, you give me your ears and I give you a bit of my jaw.
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Chados
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You just can't let it go can't you?
Chados
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Word... the superior people are talking.. (we're helping people) yeah by repeating the same thing 30 times and always ending with something like, he doesn't understand his body isn't great.. Or by posting pictures of yourself to look superior.. That's what a narcissistic person does, one that only cares about himself and his own opinion..
hairygrandpa
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C'mon man, we all are a bit narcissistic, admit it!
Chados
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Sure we all probably show it to some degree at certain times. You look at an old friend on Facebook and think he looks like a nerd. Difference is when you actually tell someone youre better than them or you should look like me.. When a person can't applaud achievement because they've done better themselves. That's not everyone, that's a few people doing that.
Or when you say, (if you don't do as I say I wont stop) .. That's bullying
Old Witch
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Watch some plastic surgery videos. It will deter you. I have a crooked nose. Looked into rhinoplasty. Dude opened up this chick's face, took a thick metal file like the kind you smuggle into prison in a cartoon, shoves it into her nasal cavity and you can hear the hollow ceramic sound of her skull being ground away. Then this guy puts his FOOT up on the headrest to get more leverage and you can hear chunks of this poor bitch's skull just snapping off. After that, he grabs an actual fxcking hammer and chisel to whittle away at her face. Then he mangles her nose skin a bit and sews her face flap back into place.
Yeah, no thanks.
Yeah, no thanks.
mixedup
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My imo here but if he talks to a licensed psych and the Dr decides his choices are ok. I think he should two to get a second opinion. Many 18-21 year olds get breast jobs . But i think he suffers some delusions like the amount of time it takes to make the body changes he is expecting. What he needs to do is plan out his eating for the 14weeks which is a,very short time for that radical of change. Can he lose the 20lbs in 14 weeks. Sure but he's need to be in a calorie deficit and that's not conducive to having muscle
Lionheart1776
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So my diet plan for the next 14 weeks is as follows. Eat 750 Kcal deficit, 1.2 grams of protein per lb of LBM, carbs will be primarily before and after the workouts I plan on eating just enough to to have a good workout and recovery. The reaming calories will be healty fats. To hold LBM, I am going to run my RX trt at 140mg per week which I think should be sufficient since my test levels would be high normal through out. I'm going to focus on strength this time around since I'm not worried about ripping my connective tissue apart any more. If I can't move the log book forward I'll probably add more carbs pre work out and reduce the defect to closer to 500. My meals are all from Scoobies meal planner so they are healthy and filling. Will keep some caffine patches, ECA stack, DMAA, yohimbine, husk fiber etc on hand if appetite/lethargy becomes as issue. I use a tdee spreadsheet so will update the diet every week or two as I cut down more. Any glaring wholes in that plan so far?
muscleupcrohn
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Apparently neither can you, as you’re still here too.
I’ll give exclusively constructive advice from now on then, because I do want to help him, regardless of if you believe me or not.
christ83189
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If i was you i would focus on gaining lean body mass. Go straight into a cut right now and you'll be losing what you have gained. You can lose fat yes but you'll be losing muscle as well amd you'll end up looking just like any other skinny kid. Gain some more muscle for a while and you can look good even with a little bit of fat. Then when youve got some decent mass you can cut down and get chiseled. Cutting is better with more lbm because you burn more calories just by having more muscle, your muscle definition comes in at higher bf%, and if you have more muscle mass then youre not risking ending up looking anorexic by the time your bf% is where you want it
Chados
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Yes but my intentions are good, you're just a bully.. That's a huge difference
muscleupcrohn
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Why are you cutting now? You’d be better off bulking. You need to put on a SUBSTANTIAL amount of muscle to reach your goal. Without a doubt putting on the necessary mass would bring you closer to your goal than cutting the necessary fat. Also, if you’re treating your goal like a “bodybuilding show,” why are you doing the exact opposite of what bodybuilders do? They bulk and then cut going into the show, not the other way around. You’re not fat. You’re not excessively lean, but you’re not fat or chubby at all. If you eat at maintainence or slightly above and are determined to use steroids and workout hard, you should be able to put on a lot of muscle while gaining little to no fat, actually you’d probably still lose fat, as you’re new and the drugs would help. Then if you find you have enough mass, you can start cutting, but not before.
muscleupcrohn
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What? I’ve given a ton of actual legitimate advice and offered more. What have you done? The kid, well, man, he’s 22, is going to seriously harm his body, potentially for the rest of his life running a cocktail of steroids before even knowing the basics of lifting, so they won’t even do much for him, and you’re concerned about hurting his feelings? Getting him to not destroy his HPTA, perhaps irreparably, is the primary concern here. I’d argue that he can make better and infinitely safer progress listening to us and NOT using steroids than he can using steroids and doing things his arbitrary and nonsensical way, and we all offered to help, including people bigger and stronger than me by a mile.
I didn’t “applaud his progress?” Give me a break. Saying “good job” to someone doing something incredibly irresponsible is irresponsible. Lying about the progress he’s made using said steroids is also irresponsible, as it further fuels his delusions about how strong steroids are and how he can achieve his goals by adding even more of them.
If he was just a normal lifter who made progress, no one would have ripped him apart. We’d all say good job, keep it up. It wouldn’t matter that he’s not big because he’s doing it right, and not in a very dangerous way, so even if it’s not ideal progress, it’s safe progress. Dangerous and irresponsible decisions should not be applauded.
Chados
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(you). OP, just say you’ll quit the steroids and learn the basics and we’ll all stop the criticism, welcome you with open arms, help you along the way, and answer any questions you may have.
(this you said) agree with me or I continue, that's middle school bullying tactic.
(he). I am to fat to look like a greek god right now, but I will get there very quickly due to my extreme rate of progression
(you said he called himself a greek god) he said that's his goal. You've been calling him out for this for like 10 pages.. And here's an example
(you). Can I get a TL; DR? Is the right pic you now? If so, that is a LONG (long, long, long) way from the Greek statue you picked out from my post. If you think you look like a Greek God there, I guess I’ll have to be Kratos and take you down a notch my friend
(you) But, to further beat this dead horse, if he thinks he’s close to a 10/10 Greek God body, what does his 5/10 face look like?)
(Another nice comment from you.)
What have I done? Ive said its unrealistic to expect these gains so fast.. I've said that he's too young to jump in to decisions he might regret later on and I was the first one calling you out for your continuing attempts to bring a guy down if he doesn't listen to you.
It is unrealistic, it's not smart.. It's better to have some background with training and diet because else you'll have a completely useless cycle which I assume many on this site have tried in their younger years. Plastic surgery might not be the answer but to be confident in yourself and maybe be the best you can be. Buy some cloths, get a haircut, work out etc etc .. I think I've already stated this but here it goes again..
And yeah look, not one insult, not one comment comparing myself to him claiming I'm better.
(this you said) agree with me or I continue, that's middle school bullying tactic.
(he). I am to fat to look like a greek god right now, but I will get there very quickly due to my extreme rate of progression
(you said he called himself a greek god) he said that's his goal. You've been calling him out for this for like 10 pages.. And here's an example
(you). Can I get a TL; DR? Is the right pic you now? If so, that is a LONG (long, long, long) way from the Greek statue you picked out from my post. If you think you look like a Greek God there, I guess I’ll have to be Kratos and take you down a notch my friend
(you) But, to further beat this dead horse, if he thinks he’s close to a 10/10 Greek God body, what does his 5/10 face look like?)
(Another nice comment from you.)
What have I done? Ive said its unrealistic to expect these gains so fast.. I've said that he's too young to jump in to decisions he might regret later on and I was the first one calling you out for your continuing attempts to bring a guy down if he doesn't listen to you.
It is unrealistic, it's not smart.. It's better to have some background with training and diet because else you'll have a completely useless cycle which I assume many on this site have tried in their younger years. Plastic surgery might not be the answer but to be confident in yourself and maybe be the best you can be. Buy some cloths, get a haircut, work out etc etc .. I think I've already stated this but here it goes again..
And yeah look, not one insult, not one comment comparing myself to him claiming I'm better.
muscleupcrohn
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Response bolded in quote. Was I a bit harsh at times? I can admit that. Do I regret saying anything? Not really. Will I take your advice and be more constructive now without the insults? Yeah, see my last post. Do I care about his feelings nearly as much as I care about him not destroying his body? Not even close.
Edit: You say it's "not smart." That's the understatement of the century. It's dangerous, irresponsible, asinine, and just about every other synonym you can think of. Not smart is him maybe running an oral PH too early something, not running MULTIPLE STEROIDS as someone who admittedly knows NOTHING about this whole game.
Matthersby
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Chados
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Chados
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I suck at this typing thing.. I didnt mean to highlight anything really.. Well the problem is that I think what hurts him most is what you care about the least in this case.. Regardless I don't mean to judge you in particular, there's been other people too.. I just notice you gave more constructive criticism yesterday and I thought you were over it at that point. I don't think you're here to hurt anyone but it's good you can see where I'm coming from, respect to you.
muscleupcrohn
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Thank you. I can be blunt at times, but please don't say I don't care, because I do. I suppose I got too far into a "the ends justify the means" perspective, and figured that if I could get him to reevaluate his steroid use, that'd be doing him infinitely more in the long run than hurting his feelings would. Now that I've made my opinions abundantly clear, as have others, I can focus exclusively on constructive criticism without insults. If he listens, great, if he doesn't, well, it's just himself that he's hurting.
Also, telling him that he'll have a useless cycle if he doesn't learn the basics is meaningless, accurate, but meaningless and ineffective, as he thinks he's already made tremendous progress in his recent/current cycle (28 pounds of lean mass or something according to him), so he thinks it's doing wonders, and will do even more if he adds even more drugs to his cycle. In reality, the pics look very similar, which we have to tell him that to try to help him see that his cycle didn't really work like he think it did, so maybe he'll reevaluate things.
Lionheart1776
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I'm probably 20ish percent body fat thou, I was able to grow into my fat last time but that was running super-physiological doses. So if you think I should keep bulking, do you think it'd be possible to add LBM without to much extra fat on just TRT doses? My bloods are good, so I'm open to moving things around a bit. The main reason I was switching back to TRT was a lot of people seem to mention gains tapering off either due to cortisol rising, reduced androgen sensitivity, or Myostatin levels catching up. Basically seems that the gains taper off and people just aren't sure why? My gains have been good recently thou, in the last three weeks or so my arms went to barely over 14 to consistently staying just above 15, legs grew about an inch or so recently as well, so happy with that as well, traps started popping out enough for it to make my shirt look funny in the last 2-3 weeks too. I'm really enjoying the gains, so I'm not opposed to keeping the mass piling on for the time being.
muscleupcrohn
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My friend, you can make great progress naturally if you dial in your diet and have a solid training protocol. It'll also be more sustainable, as you won't have to deal with losing size and strength in PCT (you need PCT, running steroids constantly without breaks is an awful idea for someone your age).
Even thinking about myostatin at this stage is the epitome of majoring in the minors. Figure out your diet (and a several hundred calorie deficit is not the right diet), your training, and your rest, and then worry about myostatin.
Chados
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What I meant was that a cycle will be like three cycles. If you do 3 without good diet and training and one with everything perfect, most likely the perfect one will beat the other three.
Like I said I don't think you're in to hurt anyone and I don't think anyone else here is either, at least I hope so. It's fun one time but I think we're up to 250+comments here and I think most of these are nasty. You never know when a person had enough and I would believe we're pushing the limit here. Op might be fine but the next guy might not.
To be completely honest, looking at both pictures you can tell he's a bigger himself and arguably in my eyes lost a bit fat.. Is it the best cycle I've ever seen? No but I wouldn't expect it to be for someone who just started. This weight he put on might be a huge boost to him as a person and yeah he'll notice it takes more time and effort for sure. I guess with the supposedly 28 pounds or whatever it was he'll have a good starting point to work out natural with a good diet.
christ83189
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Yeah you can drop to trt dose and gain lbm without adding fat. Totally doable. Just eat a few hundred cal over maintenance and eat clean, not a whole lot of cheats. Keep training intensity up. You being new to this is in your favor, and also adding testosterone in the mix. If you're on drugs or you're new to training or the only times you can really burn fat as well as gain muscle. But if you do it right you can gain muscle with very very minimal fat gain. When you have more muscle you can revisit the cutting phase. And just by gaining muscle you will be lower bf% you dont want to go into a cut at your size at 20% by tge time you're done there wont be much left lol no offense
Lionheart1776
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My doctor put me on the TRT about 15 months ago, I had tested around or below 200 ng/dl 3 consecutive times over a one year period. They had me do and MRI, or whatever that thing is called where they inject the cold stuff into my veins to check for a tumor. I hadn't had one, so for awhile I took all the Vitmain D, Zinc, Magnesium, etc, and cut my body fat down to the point where I had the shadows of abs in the mirror unflexed and my levels were like 240. My dad, my doctor, and I sat down and went over what I wanted to do about it. My doctor wanted me use the testosterone lotion but I was worried about the bio-availability (read the TRT forum) of it and asked him if I could do the Injections instead, he said I could do so, so I started at 200MG EOW but quickly switched to 100 every week. I never had much of a sex drive as an adolescent so my doctor concluded that my chronically low T was likely merely caused by genetic variance and not and underlying medical condition. Basically I can never come off if I wish to live a normal life and have a normal sex drive. That is why I decided to try bodybuilding and steroids because the main draw back of conservative, and monitored usage, people seemed people list for using them is HPTA harm and also loosing gains in PCT and stuff like that so I figured I mind as well try them since those risks don't matter to me. Can't break something that's all ready broken, lol. I just want to make the best of having to be on TRT forever, because it does kind of suck. They recently/about to approv/approved (Nedido?) I think it's called, so will soon be able to do 400mg once per month with more stable blood levels, should be a nice improvement.
Matthersby
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So many pages here..... Have we touched on the most likely outcome for OP of being on TRT before 30 years old yet? He’s going to do this regardless, so hopefully someone let him know that he will probably need to be prepared for hormone therapy at a young age.
christ83189
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Nedido? Never heard of it? Is that a super long ester or somethingm
christ83189
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Oh its undeconoate i see.
Lionheart1776
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Already been on TRT for almost 15 months, see post above. I explained it to another forum memember.
Matthersby
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You started TRT at 20-21 years old? What happened?
Lionheart1776
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I just copy and pasted it over since it got burried the first time.
My doctor put me on the TRT about 15 months ago, I had tested around or below 200 ng/dl 3 consecutive times over a one year period. They had me do and MRI, or whatever that thing is called where they inject the cold stuff into my veins to check for a tumor. I hadn't had one, so for awhile I took all the Vitmain D, Zinc, Magnesium, etc, and cut my body fat down to the point where I had the shadows of abs in the mirror unflexed and my levels were like 240. My dad, my doctor, and I sat down and went over what I wanted to do about it. My doctor wanted me use the testosterone lotion but I was worried about the bio-availability (read the TRT forum) of it and asked him if I could do the Injections instead, he said I could do so, so I started at 200MG EOW but quickly switched to 100 every week. I never had much of a sex drive as an adolescent so my doctor concluded that my chronically low T was likely merely caused by genetic variance and not and underlying medical condition. Basically I can never come off if I wish to live a normal life and have a normal sex drive. That is why I decided to try bodybuilding and steroids because the main draw back of conservative, and monitored usage, people seemed people list for using them is HPTA harm and also loosing gains in PCT and stuff like that so I figured I mind as well try them since those risks don't matter to me. Can't break something that's all ready broken, lol. I just want to make the best of having to be on TRT forever, because it does kind of suck. They recently/about to approv/approved (Nedido?) I think it's called, so will soon be able to do 400mg once per month with more stable blood levels, should be a nice improvement.
Matthersby
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This changes things in my opinion. Do your thing and best of luck. Just remember, what’s inside IS what actually matters. That’s my only point I’d like to make to you. Ya, have a great body and nice clothes if that makes you happy. But work on the person you are and your character AS much or more than your appearance.
christ83189
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Great advice here. Probably the best there is. Appearance really doesnt matter enough to go under the knife. Kill it in the gym and get the body of a greek god if you want but without character, humility, and an attractive personality then life is going to be very disappointing. I know those things are very hard to grasp for most 22 year olds but thats what life is all about and why you'll see alot of ridiculously hot girls married to guys that will make you think wtf?
hairygrandpa
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I used Nebido in the past. Here a tip:
Use more of it.You can pin less often but in my lab tests it translated to less test levels in blood serum.
250mg weekly was the equivalent of 170mg test-e weekly. Has to do with the very long ester somehow (15 days half life).
Meaning, when pinning 1gr per month it's like 170mg per week.
Besides the pinning frequency, another positive side effect is, it converts less to estrogen, I hardly needed any AI, probably again due to the long ester and very slow release into your body.
Listen to the others and focus more in augmenting lean body mass by bulking. A subsequent cut will be much easier. Don't confound your new gains with lean body mass, most apparent muscle gain is due to glycogen retention and water. Jumping on a cut right now will do this:
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Use more of it.You can pin less often but in my lab tests it translated to less test levels in blood serum.
250mg weekly was the equivalent of 170mg test-e weekly. Has to do with the very long ester somehow (15 days half life).
Meaning, when pinning 1gr per month it's like 170mg per week.
Besides the pinning frequency, another positive side effect is, it converts less to estrogen, I hardly needed any AI, probably again due to the long ester and very slow release into your body.
Listen to the others and focus more in augmenting lean body mass by bulking. A subsequent cut will be much easier. Don't confound your new gains with lean body mass, most apparent muscle gain is due to glycogen retention and water. Jumping on a cut right now will do this:
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muscleupcrohn
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Ok. This is new information, and helps us see what makes sense to do for you. If you’re committed to lifelong TRT either way, running a cycle isn’t going to be as potentially harmful. I’d still say really stick with just your normal TRT for now, but if you want to just run a “cycle” of just increasing your testosterone dose, that isn’t as bad as if you weren’t committed to TRT. I don’t think you need to ADD any steroids besides the testosterone though at all though; that should be MORE than enough. Eat at least maintainence calories and at least 1g/lb BODYWEIGHT (not lean body weight) of protein. You’re chemically assisted if you up your test dose; that much protein is the minimum I’d have while running a cycle.
Matthersby
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I am very pleased that now we have a better picture what OP has been through and what he’s trying to accomplish, that everyone is actually trying to help him now. I admit my long winded post was tongue in cheek early on this thread. But I genuinely want to see guys leave more informed with maybe even some life advice from some older guys that have done everything wrong or right and want to pass that on to younger guys. This thread reminded me of an Elite Fitness thread last night. Where everyone was ignoring threads asking for information and guidance, just to rip this guy apart in here. And I would hate to see this great forum end up like that. Let’s continue to be better than that, and offer solutions so that OP can get through some of his stuff and have our help. That’s why I’m here, to help others and also, LEARN from guys like FueledPassion and countless other guys that take time out of their day to help ME out. I think that’s where Chados was coming from earlier and I couldn’t agree more.
DemntedCowboy
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Would have been easier though if he would have posted everything up front. Lot of guys here wanna help. But need all the info.
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JoePaul39
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Don’t want to take this thread off track, but I am 187 pound with 20 percent body fat at 5 foot 10. I have been focusing on cutting to get to the coveted 15 percent range before I bulk on anabolics. This seems to be what everyone seems to advise on here...don’t bulk with an anabolic cycle until 15 percent. Should I bulk instead? I don’t want to get to 15 percent, but then be skinny fat cause I don’t have much muscle left because I lost so much weight to get to 15 percent.
Chados
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Hey since I almost also pretty much live in south America you should know I have to calm down the fiance and not the other way around haha
Matthersby
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I feel like the majority of what aas SHOULD be used for is cutting personally. You can bulk naturally pretty easy. The tricky part is dieting off fat naturally. That puts you in a pickle though, because you want to cut to 15% so you CAN use aas. My answer, and forum gurus may disagree with me. Bulk until you are the size you want to be, then use aas to cut it all up. But I’d like to see what everyone else thinks too.