Plastic surgery and fashion to compliments one's great physique.

To the OP.
Seriously, please listen. Please.
You are why I didn’t get tattoos before the age of 25. You are concerned with shyt that you are going to grow out of. Please believe this. Go finish college, join the military, and stop obsessing about this trivial nonsense that you won’t give a single fuk about in 10 years. These are the years where you figure out who you are. And you have no clue yet. Make who you are a badass, not the insecure kid that got his face cut on cause he wants to slay 10’s at the local club. Dude I’ve had well over 100 women and never really was even trying, and you wanna know who I’d go back and bang again? about 5-6 of the 5s I’ve been with. A 10 will not make you happy, they will make your life miserable, and they’re the WORST lays on earth. And another thing, while you’re focusing on all this bull shyt, all your uglier competition are starting med school and those ugly bastards are the ones that will be getting the hot ones in literally 8 more years.

Let’s recap.
- Learn who you are. Take your time as this will take the next decade.
- Go to college NOW. A good job will get you EVERY single thing you are after(and you won’t be after the same things you are now in 10 years either)
- Learn a skill, snowboard or shoot guns, or learn how to play poker. I don’t care just be good at something other than wanting to be a Greek God or celebrity or a 10/10. Build yourself some character
- learn how to fuk a woman correctly. Not the shyt that you think is laying good pipe, get her off 3x minimum before you are even close to finishing, time yourself, and if you can’t get her off with your tongue in 3-5 minutes, try a different technique and try try again. Trust me, they’ll tell their friends and you’ll get to secretly bang them too...
- I know you were raised with the utmost shallow internet and social media as your guides, but unlearn that shyt asap. The Kardashians and every attractive celebrity practically are the worst gotdamn fuking humans on this earth. Do NOT be like them , or ANYONE ON INSTAGRAM for that matter.
- Be a good person. If you are going to spend 10 grand on your face and your friends or family are struggling to pay their car payment, please stop and think about your character and what will matter to you in 20 years cause your freaking face won’t.
- These aren’t your best years, you will look back on them in the near future and shake your head over how shallow and insignificant they were to you. By all means, have your fun and go out and meet women, get messed up whatever the kids are doing these days, but remember one thing: Women, at a very very young age can smell out insecurity and phoney vanity like a bad cologne. Just what you’ve written so far, in my opinion would lead me to believe that your entire demeanor would be the antithesis of what most women that are out and about are looking to get with. That’s not an insult and I’m telling you, get that shyt in check, and go in that bar with your ugly ass ‘5’ face and act like you don’t give a fuk while being humble, fun, and treating everyone around you with respect, you’ll be certain to go 3 above your level. The girls you actually WANT to hook up with, are the ones who aren’t super concerned with a weird nose or ears or designer threads. They want a guy that’s not a douche and makes them laugh.
I don’t know exactly what you’re after but we all think you’re trolling bc you’re literally so far off the mark. I would trust what these guys are saying bc a lot of them were raised in a different era where we listened to older guys’ advice and opened doors for women instead of telling them they’re fugly on Facebook messenger.
 
Matthersby said:
To the OP.
Seriously, please listen. Please.
You are why I didn’t get tattoos before the age of 25. You are concerned with shyt that you are going to grow out of. Please believe this. Go finish college, join the military, and stop obsessing about this trivial nonsense that you won’t give a single fuk about in 10 years. These are the years where you figure out who you are. And you have no clue yet. Make who you are a badass, not the insecure kid that got his face cut on cause he wants to slay 10’s at the local club. Dude I’ve had well over 100 women and never really was even trying, and you wanna know who I’d go back and bang again? about 5-6 of the 5s I’ve been with. A 10 will not make you happy, they will make your life miserable, and they’re the WORST lays on earth. And another thing, while you’re focusing on all this bull shyt, all your uglier competition are starting med school and those ugly bastards are the ones that will be getting the hot ones in literally 8 more years.

Let’s recap.
- Learn who you are. Take your time as this will take the next decade.
- Go to college NOW. A good job will get you EVERY single thing you are after(and you won’t be after the same things you are now in 10 years either)
- Learn a skill, snowboard or shoot guns, or learn how to play poker. I don’t care just be good at something other than wanting to be a Greek God or celebrity or a 10/10. Build yourself some character
- learn how to fuk a woman correctly. Not the shyt that you think is laying good pipe, get her off 3x minimum before you are even close to finishing, time yourself, and if you can’t get her off with your tongue in 3-5 minutes, try a different technique and try try again
- I know you were raised with the utmost shallow internet and social media as your guides, but unlearn that shyt asap. The Kardashians and every attractive celebrity practically are the worst gotdamn fuking humans on this earth. Do NOT be like them , or ANYONE ON INSTAGRAM for that matter.
- Be a good person. If you are going to spend 10 grand on your face and your friends or family are struggling to pay their car payment, please stop and think about your character and what will matter to you in 20 years cause your freaking face won’t.
- These aren’t your best years, you will look back on them in the near future and shake your head over how shallow and insignificant they were to you. By all means, have your fun and go out and meet women, get messed up whatever the kids are doing these days, but remember one thing: Women, at a very very young age can smell out insecurity and phoney vanity like a bad cologne. Just what you’ve written so far, in my opinion would lead me to believe that your entire demeanor would be the antithesis of what most women that are out and about are looking to get with. That’s not an insult and I’m telling you, get that shyt in check, and go in that bar with your ugly ass ‘5’ face and act like you don’t give a fuk while being humble, fun, and treating everyone around you with respect, you’ll be certain to go 3 above your level. The girls you actually WANT to hook up with, are the ones who aren’t super concerned with a weird nose or ears or designer threads. They want a guy that’s not a douche and makes them laugh.
I don’t know exactly what you’re after but we all think you’re trolling bc you’re literally so far off the mark. I would trust what these guys are saying bc a lot of them were raised in a different era where we listened to older guys’ advice and opened doors for women instead of telling them they’re fugly on Facebook messenger.
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You’re a good man for typing all that up.

But, to further beat this dead horse, if he thinks he’s close to a 10/10 Greek God body, what does his 5/10 face look like?
 
But I want to help ultimately. I honestly wish some nice dude in his 30s told me that at 22. But I probably wouldn’t have listened anyways
 
Matthersby said:
But I want to help ultimately. I honestly wish some nice dude in his 30s told me that at 22. But I probably wouldn’t have listened anyways
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Good point. But I do think this is a good reality check for OP, since if we coddled him he may not have gotten the picture, not that he necessarily has now. Walking around like he’s Hercules with his body, or even a bit more muscular and leaner, would further hurt his appeal to women, probably much more than his face ever could.
 
On a spiritual level wouldn't it be wonderful to turn ones self into a real life ubermensch and get to see what it would be like to be both hansom in body and face, have a great sense of style, and an interesting personality all at the same time?
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Did you really just talk about “spirituality” and then cite Nietzsche? I don’t think that’s spirituality my friend.
 
This thread is an absolute gold mine. Every time I go back and re-read it I find a new gem. Either OP really needs to reevaluate some things, or he’s one of the best, most skilled trolls I’ve ever seen, and has a very strong skill in playing a character; maybe he can be a writer?
 
I am certain that I can move the needle even faster going forward due to improving my diet, training, and drug regiment all in unison.
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Please, for the love of whatever God(s) you believe in (or just want to look like), don’t take MORE steroids! Take a step back, stop the drugs, dial in training, nutrition, and rest, make good progress for months/years, find a hobby and career goal, and then reevaluate if you even want/need steroids and plastic surgery.
 
I appreciate the critiques from everyone. I am glad you were all honest with me, I trust your judgments as experienced bodybuilders in this domain far more than my own. That being said, having all of you (humble my self assessment) and future progress fuels my ambition more than anything, it would give me great pleasure to prove each and every one of you wrong. This hobby is just a game to me, I like playing it far more than World of Warcraft and I used to play that A LOT. Through my obsessiveness I will outshine those damn statues by march of next year. I'll post progress pictures every month or two in this thread, when my final form is unleashed it will absolutely amazing. Every game I've ever enjoyed playing I've become a top player, the dopamine rush from progressing, and rising the ranks in absolutely world class.
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Lets get a womans opinion maybe we are being to rough. Lol. stacy1212
I think SFreed should be here too
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..... sigh.... what have you gotten me into... I seen a twinzie of a Greek god once .... he was setting his banana hammock on fire while he was swinging his hips to “pour some sugar on me” I stuffed a dollar in his thong as I fell in love with his tush ... his face ... what? I think his name was sweet Christian ... and I assure you the man hungry cheetahs in that room could have cared less if he had pimples and no teeth...

No girl wants a beautiful man ... where would u take your beautiful man ??? Shopping ... ummm b$tches be jealous ... ain’t gonna work when u looking better than your girl...

I haven’t even made it through this thread and I’m like mixing many vibes here ... why u wanna be so pretty?? Be a butt stand in for the movies or something ... find yourself before u find a face and tuck in a picture magazine ... hell maybe u could star in the next 300 movie wear a helmet ... pray to baby Jesus ... idk I seriously don’t even know

Life advice ... live for you no one else ... life’s short and unless u wanna be buried a$$ up learn to love yourself then do as u need to do ... u work for it .. spend it ...
hairygrandpa wth u b duck lipping other places too!! Show them the banana pic ...

Smh .... what just happened
 
Lionheart1776 said:
I appreciate the critiques from everyone. I am glad you were all honest with me, I trust your judgments as experienced bodybuilders in this domain far more than my own. That being said, having all of you (humble my self assessment) and future progress fuels my ambition more than anything, it would give me great pleasure to prove each and every one of you wrong. This hobby is just a game to me, I like playing it far more than World of Warcraft and I used to play that A LOT. Through my obsessiveness I will outshine those damn statues by march of next year. I'll post progress pictures every month or two in this thread, when my final form is unleashed it will absolutely amazing. Every game I've ever enjoyed playing I've become a top player, the dopamine rush from progressing, and rising the ranks in absolutely world class.
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My friend, you wouldn’t be proving us wrong; we said you aren’t visually/physically close to a 10/10 Greek God physique, which you are not. If you can achieve such a physique in a short time, good for you, but I’m saying that I think it’s more work than you think it is, and it’s a long journey to get there, but what’s a tale of Greek Gods and Heroes without a journey, an Odyssey?

Also, be careful with drugs/steroids my friend. It’s a slippery slope, and I advise not using them until you have a solid base down, and the knowledge of how to pass plateaus and how to progress via training, diet, and rest. If you don’t know how to dial in these variables, no amount of drugs will get you to where you want to be, and you’ll just either give up or keep ramping up your drug use to dangerous levels because that’s the only way you know how to build muscle or make progress. It’s a tempting Siren song many fall for, and I’d hate to see you fall victim to it too.
 
Also, while viewing this as a game can help you stick to it and give you motivation, this is real life, not a game. You don’t get respawns, checkpoints, or back-up saves, if you screw up your hormones using steroids, you’ll have to try to fix it and/or live with it. Be warned.
 
I actually respect your aspirations to get yolked.. but bro...you could run everything under the sun for the next 12 months, with a personal trainer, and a chef- and you still wont be Greek God status. More power to you brother, clearly you have the funds to run Anavar 365 days a year.
 
Kids probably got strong thumbs from all the gaming "Mom! the meatloaf!" he's right from nobody to Mr o in 6 months...it's easy. Couple of cycles and some creatine..and poof. From 315 to over 500 on bench took me 20 damn years. Put in the work before you run your mouth. This isn't a game to me, it's a lifestyle...there is no easy way to any of it. There is no fast track or immediate gratification. It is a sense that for over 20 years I showed up, shut up, listened, and put in the work.
 
swimfan65 said:
Kids probably got strong thumbs from all the gaming "Mom! the meatloaf!" he's right from nobody to Mr o in 6 months...it's easy. Couple of cycles and some creatine..and poof. From 315 to over 500 on bench took me 20 damn years. Put in the work before you run your mouth. This isn't a game to me, it's a lifestyle...there is no easy way to any of it. There is no fast track or immediate gratification. It is a sense that for over 20 years I showed up, shut up, listened, and put in the work.
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Even 315 on the bench is respectable brother haha, and I have a hunch OP isn’t there yet.
 
I dunno. This guy seems motivated. He has an okay base. I’ll bet he uses the flaming for motivation and kills it physique wise in 2-5 years!


Oh and he is juicing at 22 haha. That helps
 
Lionheart1776 said:
I'm talking more on a pragmatic quality of life perspective, being very handsome opens up a lot of doors in this world. Both romantically and in terms of taking advantage on the inborn human instinct to attribute more positive traits (even if falsely so) to people based on how good they look, it's unfortunate but simply a fact of our primate nature. I think it's called the halo effect if anyone's interested.

On a spiritual level wouldn't it be wonderful to turn ones self into a real life ubermensch and get to see what it would be like to be both hansom in body and face, have a great sense of style, and an interesting personality all at the same time? Endless possibilities for someone this elite. Bodybuilding made me realize that we can all raise up from a low starting place with the right tools, strategy, and effort on hand (I was once 5 10 160 with a 36 inch pot belly and 12 inch arms for example)and that all things within reason are possible. I view plastic surgery as an extension of bodybuilding, because for some of us (like myself) there is a lot of asymmetry between the beauty of or bodies and our faces and as someone with a strong artistic bent I would like to correct it for myself and just wanted see if anyone has been through a transformation of that sort.

We only get one shot at life and I want the best of everything god dammit!
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dear god are you dramatically overblowing the importance of looks... think of the top 10 most important people in the world...

Trump
Putin
Gates
Buffett
Jobs
etc etc

Not a single one of them is even remotely good looking, fit, or any other form of "desirable". They made their fame and fortune by working and "being the part", not by "looking the part".

Looks mean maybe .0001% of anything outside of a VERY small subset of people who frankly have zero influence on anything in the world outside of modeling agencies.
 
THOR 70 said:
I dunno. This guy seems motivated. He has an okay base. I’ll bet he uses the flaming for motivation and kills it physique wise in 2-5 years!
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Except he’s determined to do it in just over 6 months, and this sport/game/lifestyle is far from a sprint, and rewards consistency and patience. Also, are you not concerned that he’s using drugs way too early and potentially they’ll become a crutch instead of a tool? What will happen if/when he doesn’t look like a Greek God in 6 months, or even a year? Will he give up, ramp up his drug use, or finally learn the basics and slow down, which he should do in the first place; it’ll be faster in the long run and allow him to achieve a better physique in regards to potential.

Here’s a popular Zen Koan:
A student asked a master: “How long will it take me to attain enlightenment?”

The master thought for a few moments and replied: “About ten years.”

The young monk was upset and said: “But you are assuming I am like the other monks and I am not. I will practice with great determination. I will do whatever it takes.”

“In that case,” replied the Master, “twenty years.”
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Yeah my first cycle was at like 30. I was 6'6 about 260 and had reached my natural limit. I had been training hard and heavy for more than 10 years at that point. I decide to use gear to look better, but to each his own, I wanted to see how far I could take it. How much bigger and stronger could I get. Over the next 15 years, I put on about 100 more pounds and consider myself to be an elite strength athlete. Do I have any awards...nope...win money...nope...have a bunch of friends and go clubbing all the time...nope. What I do have isn't in the mirror. Its in my heart. Its a sense of pride and accomplishment that will never fade with looks. My favorite moments in this journey were spent alone, in some dirty basement gym with puke on the floor and no one watching. I don't want high fives or fist bumps, I don't want some sexy self absorbed woman, I want the isolation, the purity of the weight. The sport has changed for me over the years. It used to be something I did, it is now something I am. If this sh1t was easy, I wouldn't do it.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
My friend, you wouldn’t be proving us wrong; we said you aren’t visually/physically close to a 10/10 Greek God physique, which you are not. If you can achieve such a physique in a short time, good for you, but I’m saying that I think it’s more work than you think it is, and it’s a long journey to get there, but what’s a tale of Greek Gods and Heroes without a journey, an Odyssey?

Also, be careful with drugs/steroids my friend. It’s a slippery slope, and I advise not using them until you have a solid base down, and the knowledge of how to pass plateaus and how to progress via training, diet, and rest. If you don’t know how to dial in these variables, no amount of drugs will get you to where you want to be, and you’ll just either give up or keep ramping up your drug use to dangerous levels because that’s the only way you know how to build muscle or make progress. It’s a tempting Siren song many fall for, and I’d hate to see you fall victim to it too.
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I put on 28 lbs without getting fatter in 3 ****ing months? How long would that take naturally? Hell I still have 7 days left, and I started at 300 mg a week and didn't even start pinning the full 510 (my test is 300mg/ml so dosing if a bit wonky until week 6. I started as someone, who didn't even lift prior, ****ed up the first two weeks of my cycle badly both in terms of diet and training and still managed to do put down some very decent results. I just built me a base that would have taken me probably two years to build without them. I don't understand the logic at all in choosing to waste ones own time, when there is effective tools on hand ti move the process along quicker. What the hell is the point of having all of the worlds information in your pocket if you're not going to put it to good use? I know most of you are not impressed by my physique, why would you? The rest of you are much better built. But in my own life people bring up "my gains" all the time even thou I am actually painfully shy and quiet in real life so it's not my boisterous personality grabbing their attention.
 
Lionheart1776 said:
I appreciate the critiques from everyone. I am glad you were all honest with me, I trust your judgments as experienced bodybuilders in this domain far more than my own. That being said, having all of you (humble my self assessment) and future progress fuels my ambition more than anything, it would give me great pleasure to prove each and every one of you wrong. This hobby is just a game to me, I like playing it far more than World of Warcraft and I used to play that A LOT. Through my obsessiveness I will *be deeply in psychosis* by march of next year . I'll post progress pictures every month or two in this thread, when my final form is unleashed it will absolutely amazing. Every game I've ever enjoyed playing I've become a top player, the dopamine rush from progressing, and rising the ranks in absolutely world class.
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Corrected.
 
swimfan65 said:
Kids probably got strong thumbs from all the gaming "Mom! the meatloaf!" he's right from nobody to Mr o in 6 months...it's easy. Couple of cycles and some creatine..and poof. From 315 to over 500 on bench took me 20 damn years. Put in the work before you run your mouth. This isn't a game to me, it's a lifestyle...there is no easy way to any of it. There is no fast track or immediate gratification. It is a sense that for over 20 years I showed up, shut up, listened, and put in the work.
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So this quotes below are from Mike Arnold himself from his blog at Iron-magazine in an article he wrote titled "Anabolic Steroid Use: Does Slow & Steady Win The Race?"

Here is what Mike said about the possibles for a new trainer. Keep in mind well doing this I will have both an experienced coach and trainer with me thorough entire process. The coach and trainer's expertise will literally be in the driving seat of the entire thing. Mike thinks 50 lbs is 6 months is possible, even if he is optimistic or I am genetically inferior in this arena I will gladly take 30-40 if that's all there is on the table, lol.

"The take home message here is simple. If a beginner wants to his maximize growth potential, rather than attempting to do so by raising one’s testosterone dose into the stratosphere, he should combine testosterone with a proven mass and strength building oral. While some may view this as basic or even common sense advice, the truth of the matter is that many bodybuilders have gotten away from this and novice bodybuilders have been making this mistake for years…and not just with testosterone, but with injectables of all sorts. They’ve been led to believe, through unreliable online sources, that multiple grams of injectables are a necessity for any beginner who wants to grow as fast as possible. By failing to differentiate between advanced and novice drug users, those with extreme risk-taking personalities are encouraged to engage in this practice—to their own detriment.

I am not going to go into growth hormone and insulin here, other than to say that it is my opinion that both of these drugs can be used to great effect in beginners, helping to dramatically accelerate gains rate with minimal risk. I understand that this goes against conventional thought, but with individual goals and circumstances varying to such a great degree, I see no reason for these drugs to be “off-limits” to everyone outside of advanced bodybuilders. However, proper supervision and preliminary education is essential if one is to proceed safely."

"Keep in mind that my position on this matter does NOT necessarily mean I recommend all beginners use these drugs…because to be frank, I usually don’t. The reason is simple—few first-time PED users are adequately prepared, both in terms of knowledge and experience, to be able to extract maximum benefit from such a comprehensive cycle. However, in those individuals who do possess the required attributes, an advanced cycle like this can provide phenomenal gains in muscle mass within a relatively short period of time. 50 pounds within 6 months is well within the realm of possibility for those who possess the mandatory genetic ability.

This brings me to my next question, and the one on which the article title is based. Let’s say an individual’s ultimate goal is to gain 50 pounds of muscle mass with PED’s. Of the following two methods, which one will allow him to achieve his goal with the least amount of long-term damage to his body? Is it the progressive approach or the hard and fast approach? To be more specific, is it safer to gain those 50 pounds over a 3 year period running more cycles at gradually escalating dosages…or to gain that same amount of muscle over 6 months using less cycles, but starting at higher dosages?

Of course, in order for this to be a fair comparison it assumes that the individual, after achieving his 50 pound weight gain (or whatever the goal is), would be content to simply maintain his newfound mass with a maintenance dose of testosterone. Now that we’ve established the parameters, perhaps we should re-phrase the question by asking “which method is safer for gaining a predetermined amount of muscle tissue?” This is a very different question than asking how to most safely use PED’s over the course of one’s lifetime. In that case the answer would be obvious—use as little testosterone (and only testosterone) as possible. But…the fact remains that most steroid users want to gain a considerable amount of muscle mass…and they want to do it fairly quickly, making the testosterone only approach less than ideal.

Therefore, in trying to answer this question the bodybuilder must evaluate numerous variables before coming to a conclusion. Because of this there is no black and white answer, but upon reviewing the evidence (both clinical and real-world) over the last 25 years, I feel safe in stating that the hard and fast approach can not only be equally safe for gaining a predetermined amount of muscle mass, but in many cases it can be safer. Now, keep in mind that when I say “hard & fast” I am not referring to Bostin Loyd type cycles, but to moderate doses of injectable in combination with orals (moderate by today’s standards, but which I still consider heavy) along with responsible growth hormone and insulin usage."
 
booneman77 said:
dear god are you dramatically overblowing the importance of looks... think of the top 10 most important people in the world...

Trump
Putin
Gates
Buffett
Jobs
etc etc

Not a single one of them is even remotely good looking, fit, or any other form of "desirable". They made their fame and fortune by working and "being the part", not by "looking the part".

Looks mean maybe .0001% of anything outside of a VERY small subset of people who frankly have zero influence on anything in the world outside of modeling agencies.
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For an average person good looks WILL and do help. It’s literally scientific fact when it comes to earnings, etc. You picked exceptions to the rule and even then a lot of them were decent looking when younger.
 
Lionheart1776 said:
I put on 28 lbs without getting fatter in 3 ****ing months? How long would that take naturally? Hell I still have 7 days left, and I started at 300 mg a week and didn't even start pinning the full 510 (my test is 300mg/ml so dosing if a bit wonky until week 6. I started as someone, who didn't even lift prior, ****ed up the first two weeks of my cycle badly both in terms of diet and training and still managed to do put down some very decent results. I just built me a base that would have taken me probably two years to build without them. I don't understand the logic at all in choosing to waste ones own time, when there is effective tools on hand ti move the process along quicker. What the hell is the point of having all of the worlds information in your pocket if you're not going to put it to good use? I know most of you are not impressed by my physique, why would you? The rest of you are much better built. But in my own life people bring up "my gains" all the time even thou I am actually painfully shy and quiet in real life so it's not my boisterous personality grabbing their attention.
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You just confirmed my point; using steroids before knowing how to train and diet is asinine; I’ll skip the formalities and be blunt with you, since you seem to want to argue. You may make decent initial progress this way, but you’ll hit an immovable wall if you don’t learn how to train, eat, recover, and push through plateaus. The natural stage isn’t just about pride or some label; that’s silly I agree; it’s about learning the basics after newb gains are gone, setting the foundation IN REGARDS TO KNOWLEDGE, TECHNIQUES, AND SKILLS that will be necessary to look like a Greek God REGARDLESS of how much steroids you use. You can heed my warning or ignore it, just remember, you’re the one who came here and started the thread. I’m not saying you can’t succeed, only that I’ve seen many a man try and fail, likely actually hindered long-term by using steroids too early.

Also, what’d you look like before? At the tree months ago stage? Because you honestly don’t look like you have 28lbs of lean muscle above a normal frame; we’re you VERY skinny?
 
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Except he’s determined to do it in just over 6 months, and this sport/game/lifestyle is far from a sprint, and rewards consistency and patience. Also, are you not concerned that he’s using drugs way too early and potentially they’ll become a crutch instead of a tool? What will happen if/when he doesn’t look like a Greek God in 6 months, or even a year? Will he give up, ramp up his drug use, or finally learn the basics and slow down, which he should do in the first place; it’ll be faster in the long run and allow him to achieve a better physique in regards to potential.

Here’s a popular Zen Koan:
A student asked a master: “How long will it take me to attain enlightenment?”

The master thought for a few moments and replied: “About ten years.”

The young monk was upset and said: “But you are assuming I am like the other monks and I am not. I will practice with great determination. I will do whatever it takes.”

“In that case,” replied the Master, “twenty years.”
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I like the quote. Real life story. I had a boss who was sort of a dweeb in my first Corperate job. He was decently built, maybe a bit more than OP. He opened up to me one night drinking and said that steroids changed his life. His brothers were all in baseball and juiced all the time and he was a runt if the family and always insecure. He did something stupid like a 9 month cycle of everything under the sun and grew more muscular and eventually got a bit taller. He came from a poorer country family and went on to make 6 figures. He said steroids gave him the physique and confidence to go after his dreams and make more of himself than he ever thought he could. He just did the one cycle and was done. I say if you have a vision, are responsible, use the tools to get there.

Of course the hard part with steroids is they can create a lot of problems down the road which only comes with time and experience.
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All I use gear wise...and not at the same time..but in different combinations and never exceeding 1 gram per week of combined gear is Test, Deca, Tren, Anadrol, and Novalin R. Yep you can gain 50 pounds in 3 months with an oral, test, and a ton of food. Is it all going to be muscle..nope. Mainly water. Will you lose it after your cycle..most of it yes. But what the hell do I know. What I know I didn't learn online, I learned through experience. But you can find whatever answer that you are searching for...if it's online it's true right? Truth...you have almost no muscle. Truth..you need to train and eat for another 5 or 10 years consistently before you make decisions about constant gear use.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
You just confirmed my point; using steroids before knowing how to train and diet is asinine; I’ll skip the formalities and be blunt with you, since you seem to want to argue. You may make decent initial progress this way, but you’ll hit an immovable wall if you don’t learn how to train, eat, recover, and push through plateaus. The natural stage isn’t just about pride or some label; that’s silly I agree; it’s about learning the basics after newb gains are gone, setting the foundation IN REGARDS TO KNOWLEDGE, TECHNIQUES, AND SKILLS that will be necessary to look like a Greek God REGARDLESS of how much steroids you use. You can heed my warning or ignore it, just remember, you’re the one who came here and started the thread. I’m not saying you can’t succeed, only that I’ve seen many a man try and fail, likely actually hindered long-term by using steroids too early.

Also, what’d you look like before? At the tree months ago stage? Because you honestly don’t look like you have 28lbs of lean muscle above a normal frame; we’re you VERY skinny?
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Quoting myself here:

If your two pics are your three month comparison (you said 11 weeks or so), and you think that’s equivalent to two years of hard, consistent natural gains, you should think about it again... it’s progress, but don’t get ahead of your self. Two years of PROPER natural training will do a LOT more than that... I also don’t see 28 lean pounds between the two pics. Not even close.
 
OP kinda reminds me of my old self back when I was borderline obsessed with becoming a pro athlete/actor. I spent so much time on the web looking for ways to become "perfect" so to speak, because I thought that was what I wanted at the time. I wanted the acknowledgement from others, fame, money, you name it. But then as I got older, I realized how trivial a lot of these things really were (not money, that's important. And you should always strive to make as much as you can while you're alive). I grew out of that little phase that I was going through. Had to be around 19-21 years of age at the time. I'm going on 29 now.

Bottom line: I wasn't good enough to be a pro tennis player. I started too late, and acting/entertainment is an extremely difficult industry to break into and actually earn a living from it. I still love acting, but I'm not obsessed to the point that I have to be a famous actor or else everything is over for me. Ironically enough, that weird phase of mine eventually led me to finding the gym and the rest is history. I love lifting. I love the high I get from it. I do it for me, nobody else. When I'm training, especially alone, that's when I feel truly free if that make sense. I'll certainly never tell anyone what they should do with their body, it's their choice. All I can say is be smart, and take care of it for as long you can because you only get one. The last thing you want to do is make changes to your body that could end up making you feel and look worse than before especially if those changes are permanent and you don't have a choice to take it back.

OP, you're 22 years old, you've got plenty of time on your side. No reason to be thinking about undergoing plastic surgery, or taking steroids at your age because unless you learn to love who you are first, before you make any of these radical changes, these will all just be quick fixes and won't help you obtain long term satisfaction. You might feel great short term, but what happens after? More drugs? More surgeries to correct other things you think are a problem? See where I'm going with this?
 
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