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SARMS are likely to be banned/criminalized (scheduled)

JAS51 said:
WesleyInman I saw this thread. Invalid Link Removed dolor Good luck and thank you for sharing.

Do you think nootropics are next?
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Nootropics have all but been removed. The good ones that is. Most sellers had their merchant accounts shut down, packages were being seized and we even saw a few house raids over them, as dumb as that may sound it is true.

You can still find them here and there if you look, but they are no where near as easy to find.

I don't think they will need to pass a law. What they did as is shut down almost all mainstream sales tbh. You will notice that most Mainstream PWO's don't have things like noopept and adrafinil in them. Or even phenyl pricetam-
 
Legal nootropics haven't been shut down. Non-DSHEA compliant nootropics have. Thats a big difference.
 
VaughnTrue said:
Legal nootropics haven't been shut down. Non-DSHEA compliant nootropics have. Thats a big difference.
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And this is a great point.

I should have clarified, but I assumed he meant the non-compliants (adrafinil, noopept, etc )

Good call though!
 
The bill hasn't passed, but I think companies have already been getting warning letters and raids, so there is essentially already a ban.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
The bill hasn't passed, but I think companies have already been getting warning letters and raids, so there is essentially already a ban.
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Suppliers can still be found easy enough and no risk of illegal possession until the bill is passed by the House, Senate, and signed by President Trump. I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes upward to 6 months for the process.
 
JoePaul39 said:
Suppliers can still be found easy enough and no risk of illegal possession until the bill is passed by the House, Senate, and signed by President Trump. I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes upward to 6 months for the process.
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I've seen fairly low odds that it will pass at all, but nothing surprises me anymore
 
I've been told my RC isnt worried at all.
Maybe s23 maybe s4.
There SARMs not steroids.
My money is on no ban. But I could be wrong.
But "SARM BAN" sure dose boost orders.
 
Cgkone said:
I've been told my RC isnt worried at all.
Maybe s23 maybe s4.
There SARMs not steroids.
My money is on no ban. But I could be wrong.
But "SARM BAN" sure dose boost orders.
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I’m kind of doubting the bill will go through as well. First off it could actually risk the pharma companies losing a lot of potential revenue. When a drug becomes classified as a controlled substance a stigma gets attached to it which makes doctors often less likely to prescribe it. (For example, just try going to your primary care doctor and see how hard it is to get prescribed trt. Even for people who are lucky enough to end up getting on testosterone often only get it prescribed at an under dosed amount). Also, there is often a stigma associated with the drug by the public. Again, just look at testosterone and see how many men are hesitant to get it prescribed even when there is a medical need. They are afraid of being labeled a “roider”. What this means is the pharma company that spends millions on research to get the SARM to the prescription drug stage can potentially lose millions upon millions in potential sales due to it being classified as controlled substance because of this bill.
 
Cgkone said:
I've been told my RC isnt worried at all.
Maybe s23 maybe s4.
There SARMs not steroids.
My money is on no ban. But I could be wrong.
But "SARM BAN" sure dose boost orders.
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I think the recent news that the FDA may now be targeting 20 plus research companies that sell SARMS is a sign the FDA itself doesn’t even think the bill will pass. After all, if it were only a matter of a few months till they are classified as controlled substances then why not just wait till they are banned and the research companies will not selling them anyhow and the government would save millions on the cost of prosecuting the research companies?
 
Cgkone said:
Nope domestic.
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I think he is saying if SARMS are banned users will just buy them from the UK like many currently do for banned prohormones. Prohormone and Sarms are both still legal there and readily accessible online so the Sarms maket still wouldn’t close down or go entirely underground.
 
JoePaul39 said:
I’m kind of doubting the bill will go through as well. First off it could actually risk the pharma companies losing a lot of potential revenue. When a drug becomes classified as a controlled substance a stigma gets attached to it which makes doctors often less likely to prescribe it. (For example, just try going to your primary care doctor and see how hard it is to get prescribed trt. Even for people who are lucky enough to end up getting on testosterone often only get it prescribed at an under dosed amount). Also, there is often a stigma associated with the drug by the public. Again, just look at testosterone and see how many men are hesitant to get it prescribed even when there is a medical need. They are afraid of being labeled a “roider”. What this means is the pharma company that spends millions on research to get the SARM to the prescription drug stage can potentially lose millions upon millions in potential sales due to it being classified as controlled substance because of this bill.
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First, primary care physicians shouldn't be prescribing TRT. It's not a magic solution without risks and should be handled by a specialist. Second, classifying a drug as a controlled substance doesn't hurt sales. Look at the mess we're currently in with prescription opiods.
 
JoePaul39 said:
I think he is saying if SARMS are banned users will just buy them from the UK like many currently do for banned prohormones. Prohormone and Sarms are both still legal there and readily accessible online so the Sarms maket still wouldn’t close down or go entirely underground.
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Oh. Yeah or domestically from a source who buys in bulk.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
First, primary care physicians shouldn't be prescribing TRT. It's not a magic solution without risks and should be handled by a specialist. Second, classifying a drug as a controlled substance doesn't hurt sales. Look at the mess we're currently in with prescription opiods.
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Good luck getting opioid prescriptions now. Yes at one time I agree It USE to be very easy, but due to people abusing opioids doctors are now much less prone to write a prescription for them now than before. The same is true for testosterone which is a controlled substance that many would argue has been abused. And the fact that you believe that a primary care physician shouldn’t prescribe testosterone only illustrates my argument that it is harder to get it since it is a controlled substance. If it wasn’t a controlleed substance more primary care doctors would prescribe it hence increasing sales! Also, there are primary care doctors that are knowledgeable enough to prescribe it, but most are not. Finally, many Endocronologists that do prescribe trt suck and do a once every other week protocol and fail to prescribe enough test to get their patients into the optimal range of upper normal between the 800 to 950 total t range. Your smoking something if you think most Endocronologists don’t under dose test to their trt patients.
 
JoePaul39 said:
Good luck getting opioid prescriptions now. Yes at one time I agree It USE to be very easy, but due to people abusing opioids doctors are now much less prone to write a prescription for them now than before. The same is true for testosterone which is a controlled substance that many would argue has been abused. And the fact that you believe that a primary care physician shouldn’t prescribe testosterone only illustrates my argument that it is harder to get it since it is a controlled substance. If it wasn’t a controlleed substance more primary care doctors would prescribe it hence increasing sales! Also, there are primary care doctors that are knowledgeable enough to prescribe it, but most are not. Finally, many Endocronologists that do prescribe trt suck and do a once every other week protocol and fail to prescribe enough test to get their patients into the optimal range of upper normal between the 800 to 950 total t range. Your smoking something if you think most Endocronologists don’t under dose test to their trt patients.
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Since, I'm "smoking something", what are you basing all of this on?
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Since, I'm "smoking something", what are you basing all of this on?
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Books I have read on the subject such as Testosterone Replacemebt Therapy by Dr. John Crisler, The Testosterone Optimization Therapy Bible by Jay Campbell, The Definitive Testosterone Replacement Therapy Manual by Jay Campbell. Also the many numerous posters to this forum who I have seen post in the Anabolics section. There are so many people who have test levels at the lower end of normal such as say a 375 and are only around 30 years old, but yet the doctor still won’t prescribe trt because they are still in the “normal” range (never mind the fact that those levels are frequently seen in men around the age of 60).
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Since, I'm "smoking something", what are you basing all of this on?
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Now that I have answered your question, what were you basing your assertion on that scheduling something as a controlled substance doesn’t lower the number of doctors that will be willing to prescribe the med, thus decreasing sales?

You honestly don’t believe there would be more doctors prescribing testosterone (such as primary care doctors) if it wasn’t a controlled substance?
 
JoePaul39 said:
Now that I have answered your question, what were you basing your assertion on that scheduling something as a controlled substance doesn’t lower the number of doctors that will be willing to prescribe the med, thus decreasing sales?

You honestly don’t believe there would be more doctors prescribing testosterone (such as primary care doctors) if it wasn’t a controlled substance?
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You answered in that you wrote words, but none of that seems relative at all to how the prescirbers think. Anyways, I'm basing my opinion on consultant work for pharmaceutical companies and the physicians that work with them and prescribe their therapies. I've worked with both TRT companies and opioid companies (and a naloxone company). There are a lot of factors that determine how a drug is prescribed and I don't think some doctors might be reluctant to prescribe TRT because it is a controlled substance. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
You answered in that you wrote words, but none of that seems relative at all to how the prescirbers think. Anyways, I'm basing my opinion on consultant work for pharmaceutical companies and the physicians that work with them and prescribe their therapies. I've worked with both TRT companies and opioid companies (and a naloxone company). There are a lot of factors that determine how a drug is prescribed and I don't think some doctors might be reluctant to prescribe TRT because it is a controlled substance. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Fair enough!
 
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