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First PH Cycle

MECHENGR

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Intro:

Hello all. I have been reading threads here for a while but just recently created a profile. After much consideration, I have decided to run my first PH Cycle in the coming weeks. I've tried to learn as much as I can before posting this, but I was hoping to get some feedback on my plan from some of the seasoned pros.

Background:

I am a 27 year old man. I have been working out in some form, on and off, since I was a teenager. I've somewhat recently shifted my focus back to weightlifting.
My lifting routine is built around what I consider to be essential compound lifts: squats, dead lifts, bench press, bent over rows, standing overhead press, pull-ups, and dips. My personal goals are more targeted towards strength and performance rather than aesthetics.

Tentative PH Cycle Plan:

Cycle:
-HT 1-Testosterone (1-androstene-3b-ol-17-one) 220 mg/day for six weeks. (I know it is not literally 1-Testosterone but a brand name)
-Ar1macare Pro by Olympus Labs at the recommended dose

PCT:
-Tamoxifen Citrate RC (Nolvadex) for four weeks at 20/20/10/10. (The source is a sponsor, not sure if I'm allowed to post it)
- Sup3r PCT by Olympus Labs at recommended dose

My Questions/Concerns:

- Am I missing any critical components?

- I am aware that the consensus on this PH seems to be 330 mg/day to mimic the results of the infamous study. I thought it may be smarter to use
the recommended dose as this is my first cycle. Is that notion misguided?

- I understand that a SERM is essential in PCT, but is an AI as critical for a cycle like this?

- I have read that 1-Testosterone can cause serious lethargy and kill libido. Lethargy sucks but prolonged lack of libido is a deal breaker as I am a
married man. Does anybody have any recommendations to combat this?

- Does anybody have any feedback, suggestions, advice, tips, etc. for a first time PH user?

Thanks in advance!
 
MECHENGR said:
Intro:

Hello all. I have been reading threads here for a while but just recently created a profile. After much consideration, I have decided to run my first PH Cycle in the coming weeks. I've tried to learn as much as I can before posting this, but I was hoping to get some feedback on my plan from some of the seasoned pros.

Background:

I am a 27 year old man. I have been working out in some form, on and off, since I was a teenager. I've somewhat recently shifted my focus back to weightlifting.
My lifting routine is built around what I consider to be essential compound lifts: squats, dead lifts, bench press, bent over rows, standing overhead press, pull-ups, and dips. My personal goals are more targeted towards strength and performance rather than aesthetics.

Tentative PH Cycle Plan:

Cycle:
-HT 1-Testosterone (1-androstene-3b-ol-17-one) 220 mg/day for six weeks. (I know it is not literally 1-Testosterone but a brand name)
-Ar1macare Pro by Olympus Labs at the recommended dose

PCT:
-Tamoxifen Citrate RC (Nolvadex) for four weeks at 20/20/10/10. (The source is a sponsor, not sure if I'm allowed to post it)
- Sup3r PCT by Olympus Labs at recommended dose

My Questions/Concerns:

- Am I missing any critical components?

- I am aware that the consensus on this PH seems to be 330 mg/day to mimic the results of the infamous study. I thought it may be smarter to use
the recommended dose as this is my first cycle. Is that notion misguided?

- I understand that a SERM is essential in PCT, but is an AI as critical for a cycle like this?

- I have read that 1-Testosterone can cause serious lethargy and kill libido. Lethargy sucks but prolonged lack of libido is a deal breaker as I am a
married man. Does anybody have any recommendations to combat this?

- Does anybody have any feedback, suggestions, advice, tips, etc. for a first time PH user?

Thanks in advance!
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You mentioned that you (thankfully) know that the product isnt 1-Test.

But you read that 1-Test can cause serious lethargy and libido issues.

Were you reading about 1-Test, or 1-Andro?
 
I read it about 1-Andro. I referred to the brand name a lot in my original post which I now realize is pretty confusing.
 
IMO if you’re going to shut down your natural rest production you may as well run something worthwhile. Have you considered DMZ? It is still technically legal to purchase, not sure for how long. May wanna get it while the getting is good.
 
Yeah, its probably gonna shut you down, so if i were you...Id at least try to make it worthwhile.

I would either go with a higher dose (and a couple of ancillary additions)....
Or like RickyBlobby said...Run DMZ, or something similar.
 
Seems as though they don’t have a strong understanding of the conversion to 1AD and 3-keto-1-AD. And 300mg is the bare minimum with people claiming 600-1000 was actually where it shines. And I’m with RB, just get some DMZ. We know all about that stuff here. I don’t know about liver toxicity, seems like a non issue, so stacking could be an option with low dose Dmz, if you’ve already purchased it.
 
Spot on above- don't waste your time with the weaksauce you have. Run DMZ, Hdrol, Epi... etc. I have my friend on DMZ as his second cycle, he is handling the sides fine. IMO, sides get generally way blown out of proportion if you run for less than 5-6 weeks. Do a run that counts, especially if you have the SERM.
 
mikeymike85 said:
Spot on above- don't waste your time with the weaksauce you have. Run DMZ, Hdrol, Epi... etc. I have my friend on DMZ as his second cycle, he is handling the sides fine. IMO, sides get generally way blown out of proportion if you run for less than 5-6 weeks. Do a run that counts, especially if you have the SERM.
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I had almost no sides at all with DMZ.
 
So what if I were to bump the dose of the 1-androsterone up to 330 mg/day? I am a little bit surprised by the responses. Up until this point, I had read only good things about the product (other than the misleading name).

I will have to do my research on DMZ. Do you think it is a reasonable PH to use for my first go?
 
MECHENGR said:
So what if I were to bump the dose of the 1-androsterone up to 330 mg/day? I am a little bit surprised by the responses. Up until this point, I had read only good things about the product (other than the misleading name).

I will have to do my research on DMZ. Do you think it is a reasonable PH to use for my first go?
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Yes, I feel it’s not that rough for a first run.
 
Renew1 said:
I had almost no sides at all with DMZ.
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It destroys my liver.. DMZ makes me piss brown towards the end, every time. Have some Cadaver Candy sitting aside, might hold off on that since i really want to try M-Sten. Granted, I do run Var with every oral, but I never get problems off Var.
 
MECHENGR said:
So what if I were to bump the dose of the 1-androsterone up to 330 mg/day? I am a little bit surprised by the responses. Up until this point, I had read only good things about the product (other than the misleading name).

I will have to do my research on DMZ. Do you think it is a reasonable PH to use for my first go?
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I highly doubt you will notice much if anything, other than lethargy and feeling like you have the flu.
 
mikeymike85 said:
It destroys my liver.. DMZ makes me piss brown towards the end, every time. Have some Cadaver Candy sitting aside, might hold off on that since i really want to try M-Sten. Granted, I do run Var with every oral, but I never get problems off Var.
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Ouch!
SD treated me that way.
Just shows how people's reactions can be different.
 
Well, it doesn’t sound like that bad of an Andro product. I seem to have read liver toxicity is low, so you could stick to 330mg/day and maybe run 30mg dmz and results should be astounding. Just do some research on its toxicity before you go that route. I’m not certain
 
I appreciate everyone’s insight. I will definitely hold off on the cycle while I do some research on DMZ.
 
MECHENGR said:
So what if I were to bump the dose of the 1-androsterone up to 330 mg/day? I am a little bit surprised by the responses. Up until this point, I had read only good things about the product (other than the misleading name).

I will have to do my research on DMZ. Do you think it is a reasonable PH to use for my first go?
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I personally ran 1-andro, 4-andro and epiandro (340/340/1000) as a first stack and highly recommend it.

The 4-andro will off set some of the lethargy (not all) and the epiandro can help with libido (although to be honest mine yanked on cycle, still performed ok but wasn’t interested).

My log is in the cycle logs section if you want full details. Solid mass and strength gains, great recomp effect.
 
Alright dammit!!! I apologize... One of my best friends died. Im jumpimg in my
Pool
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Yep srulid shizzzz...

Thank you for the condolences.
 
MECHENGR said:
Intro:

Hello all. I have been reading threads here for a while but just recently created a profile. After much consideration, I have decided to run my first PH Cycle in the coming weeks. I've tried to learn as much as I can before posting this, but I was hoping to get some feedback on my plan from some of the seasoned pros.

Background:

I am a 27 year old man. I have been working out in some form, on and off, since I was a teenager. I've somewhat recently shifted my focus back to weightlifting.
My lifting routine is built around what I consider to be essential compound lifts: squats, dead lifts, bench press, bent over rows, standing overhead press, pull-ups, and dips. My personal goals are more targeted towards strength and performance rather than aesthetics.

Tentative PH Cycle Plan:

Cycle:
-HT 1-Testosterone (1-androstene-3b-ol-17-one) 220 mg/day for six weeks. (I know it is not literally 1-Testosterone but a brand name)
-Ar1macare Pro by Olympus Labs at the recommended dose

PCT:
-Tamoxifen Citrate RC (Nolvadex) for four weeks at 20/20/10/10. (The source is a sponsor, not sure if I'm allowed to post it)
- Sup3r PCT by Olympus Labs at recommended dose

My Questions/Concerns:

- Am I missing any critical components?

- I am aware that the consensus on this PH seems to be 330 mg/day to mimic the results of the infamous study. I thought it may be smarter to use
the recommended dose as this is my first cycle. Is that notion misguided?

- I understand that a SERM is essential in PCT, but is an AI as critical for a cycle like this?

- I have read that 1-Testosterone can cause serious lethargy and kill libido. Lethargy sucks but prolonged lack of libido is a deal breaker as I am a
married man. Does anybody have any recommendations to combat this?

- Does anybody have any feedback, suggestions, advice, tips, etc. for a first time PH user?

Thanks in advance!
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If you’re gonna run 1 andro probably should have a 4 dhea or Epi Andro as a test base. And like others said, dmz or something like that will provide better results imo....I stacked msten and dmz and got the beat results of my life. Just be cautious of the liver toxicity
 
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