Insulin Q and A

Never mind, I reread the thread and found the answer.

Thanks guys.
Your really helping get a better understanding.
I'm really liking the idea of it not affecting the androgen system and being effective in short cycles.
 
Yeah this thread is tight.
So slin and keto probably don't go together. I'm not on me to but have been slowly preparing to try it.
Carbs are a must on slin?
 
Newth said:
Never mind, I reread the thread and found the answer.

Thanks guys.
Your really helping get a better understanding.
I'm really liking the idea of it not affecting the androgen system and being effective in short cycles.
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And the price and availability.
 
Cgkone said:
Yeah this thread is tight.
So slin and keto probably don't go together. I'm not on me to but have been slowly preparing to try it.
Carbs are a must on slin?
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Absolutely. If you take 10 units of humulin r and don't put any carbs in your body, you're probably going to die. 10 grams of carb for every unit is a good rule of thumb. And the carbs have to be every two hours with the short acting
 
Even If you worked up to 10iu’s(which is smaller than a drop of water) and used it 4 days a week, the vial will last 6 months. You’ll have it out of the fridge in that time and will start questioning its potency and end up buying another. Your first vial will last close to a year.
 
Matthersby said:
Even If you worked up to 10iu’s(which is smaller than a drop of water) and used it 4 days a week, the vial will last 6 months. You’ll have it out of the fridge in that time and will start questioning its potency and end up buying another. Your first vial will last close to a year.
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Good to know, thanks! So why is it so expensive for actual diabetics to get insulin?
 
Unless you’re Swim and able to eat 6k calories on top of 20ius. If I shot 20iu’s(and I’m 230) my stomach would pop just prior to dying of hypoglycemia. A little dab will do with slin, friends.
 
Shoot 4ius pre workout with protein/carbs. Will I make it through the workout with out food.
1hour workout
 
Cgkone said:
Shoot 4ius pre workout with protein/carbs. Will I make it through the workout with out food.
1hour workout
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Bring a high calorie, high carb, high protein shake and drink that over the course of your workout. Very important to feed your muscles during the window. Trust me, this is the best method. Shake with injection. Another shake during workout. Also, one vial is 1000 units. I do use 20 units, but I'm a little bigger than most. Start small and work your way up. Keep a zip lock bag of pure sugar in your gym bag just in case.
 
Cgkone said:
Shoot 4ius pre workout with protein/carbs. Will I make it through the workout with out food.
1hour workout
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I’ve never got through a workout with Slin without at least 100grams of sugar. You’ll start convincing yourself shakiness after a tough set is hypo. I highly recommend having access to 300+ grams of dextrose/sugar at any workout on any amount of insulin. I’m gonna probably recommend the more cautious route with this stuff since I’ve had a pretty scary encounter with it. And on an already very full stomach too.
 
Matthersby said:
I’ve never got through a workout with Slin without at least 100grams of sugar. You’ll start convincing yourself shakiness after a tough set is hypo. I highly recommend having access to 300+ grams of dextrose/sugar at any workout on any amount of insulin. I’m gonna probably recommend the more cautious route with this stuff since I’ve had a pretty scary encounter with it. And on an already very full stomach too.
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The shake during training works great. You can literally watch yourself grow
 
Once I started incorporating the slin shake intraworkout and pinning preworkout, the gains came on so much better...
 
Matthersby said:
It did wonders for my bi’s.

I feel the intraworkout shake is one of the most important aspects of preworkout slin. I know I’ve said it in different threads, START with post workout just to get an idea how often you’ll need to eat etc. You’ll proabably go hypo slightly once in that time and will know what to look for or you’ll just be so cautious, every time you feel a little strange, you’ll eat. That’s fine too. This little experiment was May 2016-February 2017, so I tried every different way to do this and took my time getting it right. Preworkout is where the money is at though. It’s night and day difference.

Here’s the shake I got from some Online Insulin Guru:

I just got the cheapest supps I could.

- 10 grams creatine
- 15 grams BCAA’s or more.
- 60-80 grams dextrose

Sometimes there were some premade mixes that had creatine and bcaa’s and I would mix with Gatorade powder etc just to get something close to this.

I never went to the gym without this. But I also would have the equivalent of at least 400 grams of dextrose tabs or gummi bears with me in my gym bag. Over-preparedness was key, cause with fast acting slin can come extremely fast drops in blood sugar.
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This maybe a dumb question, but after reading this thread it seems to me that slin is only site-specific for growth? And it’s injected IM?
 
saderboy80 said:
This maybe a dumb question, but after reading this thread it seems to me that slin is only site-specific for growth? And it’s injected IM?
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Insulin is absolutely not site specific..and it is absolutely not an IM injection. If you are asking these questions...please do not use.
 
I wouldn't even be able to measure it in one of my gear tubes. 20 units is literally like a drop of water. And injections are sub q. If anyone reading this thread doesn't have a firm grasp on how to use insulin...leave it alone! Screw up a gear shot..oh well...you'll be fine. Screw up insulin, you're dead.
 
swimfan65 said:
Insulin is absolutely not site specific..and it is absolutely not an IM injection. If you are asking these questions...please do not use.
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We are talking about training a lagging body part on an insulin day because the insulin shuttles nutrients into the muscle .
But you sub-q the slin.
(This thread is for the input and output of info......no such thing as a dumb question. Dying because you didn't ask is dumb)
 
Listen, here is how to do it. Go to Wal-Mart and but novalin r and Insulin syringes. Buy a high calorie, high carb, high protein shake mix. Mine is called serious mass. On your training days, inject insulin sub q into you stomach fat. Just pinch your skin and inject into the fat-skin you have punched. Inject about an hour before training. Start with like 4 units and work up from there to like 10 to 15..or whatever you can tolerate. 10 mins after injection drink your shake. Shoot for 150 to 200 grams carbs, 50 to 80 in protien, and put in a table spoon of sugar. Make the same shake to take to the gym...but add in 15 to 20 grams of creation. Also bring a bag of candy or sugar to the gym just in case you start feeling hypo. Go to the gym and train your ass off. Consume the second shake during your workout, just sip on it..but finish it when you finish working out. 90 mins after workout, eat a meal of protein, carbs, low fats. 2 hours later eat again. That pretty much covers your window. With breakfast and a later in the evening meal, that's 6 meals. This protocol will add crazy mass to you. Also, this is in addition to being on cycle...a bulker.
 
swimfan65 said:
Insulin is absolutely not site specific..and it is absolutely not an IM injection. If you are asking these questions...please do not use.
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I am not even close to pinning slin. Just a curious observer of this thread.
Thanks for the response!
 
swimfan65 said:
I wouldn't even be able to measure it in one of my gear tubes. 20 units is literally like a drop of water. And injections are sub q. If anyone reading this thread doesn't have a firm grasp on how to use insulin...leave it alone! Screw up a gear shot..oh well...you'll be fine. Screw up insulin, you're dead.
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^THIS^ so it can be read again and again.
Please understand your dose calculation. PLEASE, before you use insulin. IU, Milliliter, Milligrams, Micrograms.
Please know what these are and exactly what the syringes you use mean in terms of amounts. You shoot a milliliter of insulin, with the same pin you inject AAS in, you’ll be dead in 45 minutes.
 
swimfan65 said:
Listen, here is how to do it. Go to Wal-Mart and but novalin r and Insulin syringes. Buy a high calorie, high carb, high protein shake mix. Mine is called serious mass. On your training days, inject insulin sub q into you stomach fat. Just pinch your skin and inject into the fat-skin you have punched. Inject about an hour before training. Start with like 4 units and work up from there to like 10 to 15..or whatever you can tolerate. 10 mins after injection drink your shake. Shoot for 150 to 200 grams carbs, 50 to 80 in protien, and put in a table spoon of sugar. Make the same shake to take to the gym...but add in 15 to 20 grams of creation. Also bring a bag of candy or sugar to the gym just in case you start feeling hypo. Go to the gym and train your ass off. Consume the second shake during your workout, just sip on it..but finish it when you finish working out. 90 mins after workout, eat a meal of protein, carbs, low fats. 2 hours later eat again. That pretty much covers your window. With breakfast and a later in the evening meal, that's 6 meals. This protocol will add crazy mass to you. Also, this is in addition to being on cycle...a bulker.
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Agreed again. However, if you are under 200lbs, it’s gonna be tough to get up to 15 IU’s. Just like he said, start at 4 and if you get to a point where you go hypo at all, that may possibly be your max dose. Honestly, 8-10 did pretty much the same as 12 for me, but 12 was very difficult for me to get enough carbs for 6+ hours consistently. I’m not the biggest eater, but if I had stayed on it longer, I would likely have been toward 15iu.
 
Matthersby said:
Agreed again. However, if you are under 200lbs, it’s gonna be tough to get up to 15 IU’s. Just like he said, start at 4 and if you get to a point where you go hypo at all, that may possibly be your max dose. Honestly, 8-10 did pretty much the same as 12 for me, but 12 was very difficult for me to get enough carbs for 6+ hours consistently. I’m not the biggest eater, but if I had stayed on it longer, I would likely have been toward 15iu.
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Matthersby swimfan65

Is there a dose-response curve with insulin?
Also is there a saturation point?

So say a 150lb athlete would benefit from 8IU but if he went higher he wouldn’t have any more anabolic effects, just higher risk for hypoglycemia and fat storage?
 
saderboy80 said:
Matthersby swimfan65

Is there a dose-response curve with insulin?
Also is there a saturation point?

So say a 150lb athlete would benefit from 8IU but if he went higher he wouldn’t have any more anabolic effects, just higher risk for hypoglycemia and fat storage?
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Good question. I'm sure the science for response is out there, I just don't know it. Personally, I did 4 units for awhile and noticed nothing. At 10, I saw a little improvement. At 20, I'm bigger and fuller everyday. I'm not going any higher...that seems to be my sweet spot
 
saderboy80 said:
Matthersby swimfan65

Is there a dose-response curve with insulin?
Also is there a saturation point?

So say a 150lb athlete would benefit from 8IU but if he went higher he wouldn’t have any more anabolic effects, just higher risk for hypoglycemia and fat storage?
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1) yes. It's hard to find with out trail and error. It is very individualistic. Sure more will give more gains but you may get other issues if you use more. And may start seeing diminishing returns.

2) theoretically yes but you die well before you hit it

My advice is start low and slow. Play with dosage and slowly increase. 3 or 4 IU is a good starting point imo. Eventually you will find what's the most effective dosage, with minimal side effects, for you.
 
swimfan65 said:
Good question. I'm sure the science for response is out there, I just don't know it. Personally, I did 4 units for awhile and noticed nothing. At 10, I saw a little improvement. At 20, I'm bigger and fuller everyday. I'm not going any higher...that seems to be my sweet spot
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Again, I seem to agree with Swim, however the saturation point for me is when you go from anabolic to excessive fat gain. I’d prefer to keep the balance just anabolic enough prior to storing excess fat.
 
Matthersby said:
Again, I seem to agree with Swim, however the saturation point for me is when you go from anabolic to excessive fat gain. I’d prefer to keep the balance just anabolic enough prior to storing excess fat.
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The trick is finding that unit number and then correctly feeding that number...it's a fine line. More units means more carbs and therefore more calories and therefore...probably more fat gain. However, if you do not feed your body enough carbs for the insulin you are taking...croak! I don't worry too much about the carbs or calories..I train 3 hours a day 6 days a week. And while I'm not lean, I'm not fat either. All of it is trial and error and very much individualistic. However, insulin should not be used for anyone trying to cut. Maybe like the last few days before a show to add some fullness..but definitely not in a caloric restriction
 
rtmilburn said:
Ya I hate how much misrepresentation slin, igf-1, and mgf have. Like some recommend lr3 for prolong periods, which is fuking stupid. Or saying mgf is pointless.
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Lol, I don't even know what those things are. I'm pretty old school when it comes to gear.
 
swimfan65 said:
Lol, I don't even know what those things are. I'm pretty old school when it comes to gear.
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Haha keep it simple is usually best. These things take very specific dosing protocols to work. As the can cancel out other anabolic pathways, yet it's own pathway is very anabolic so it's a give and take. And thus why very specific dosing is needed

There are other things that are amazing anabolics too, and you don't have to worry about cancelling out other pathways, but have some nasty side; such as pgf2a.

Pgf2a might be more potent weightless agent then dnp, and safer, VERY strong anabolic. Yet it is never used. That shows you how bad the side effects can be. Profuse diarrhea, intense muscle soreness, nausea, etc etc.
 
rtmilburn said:
Haha keep it simple is usually best. These things take very specific dosing protocols to work. As the can cancel out other anabolic pathways, yet it's own pathway is very anabolic so it's a give and take. And thus why very specific dosing is needed

There are other things that are amazing anabolics too, and you don't have to worry about cancelling out other pathways, but have some nasty side; such as pgf2a.

Pgf2a might be more potent weightless agent then dnp, and safer, VERY strong anabolic. Yet it is never used. That shows you how bad the side effects can be. Profuse diarrhea, intense muscle soreness, nausea, etc etc.
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Yeah, I think I'll stick to clen and cardio for fat burning.
 
rtmilburn said:
Ya I hate how much misrepresentation slin, igf-1, and mgf have. Like some recommend lr3 for prolong periods, which is fuking stupid. Or saying mgf is pointless.
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Any idea if GH secretagogues can be timed to work with slin effectively?
 
I’ll let the secretagogue guys answer that. I still really don’t understand why there is so much dogma about HAVING to run GH or peptides to get decent results with slin, but I’m certain the results will be better since the potential for bf accumulation is so prevalent with all insulins..
 
Matthersby said:
I’ll let the secretagogue guys answer that. I still really don’t understand why there is so much dogma about HAVING to run GH or peptides to get decent results with slin, but I’m certain the results will be better since the potential for bf accumulation is so prevalent with all insulins..
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It's more thinking about running short cycles of slin without aas that interests me in the short term.
HGH is way to expensive but secretagogues make that option realistic if it could work.



EDIT: I found this on PM.
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It has some good info and Matthersby Mike Arnold has a good post about Lantus.
 
Newth said:
It's more thinking about running short cycles of slin without aas that interests me in the short term.
HGH is way to expensive but secretagogues make that option realistic if it could work.



EDIT: I found this on PM.
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It has some good info and Matthersby Mike Arnold has a good post about Lantus.
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Seriously, Newth, thanks. There’s Very Very few good threads on bodybuilding with Lantus.

I can say that on a cruise dose of test or just natty, the gains will still be significant, far faster and more significant then without slin, but the body fat gain would likely be more noticeable. In that case, fast acting might be better just to enhance workouts and feed those gains. You wouldn’t want to run Lantus in my opinion, although far safer, the fat accumulation might be excessive. I’m taking a gamble running it without GH/peptides, but I’m pretty lean right now and I just want a lot of size this bulk.
 
And I’m just going to throw this out there. It’s SUPER unlikely that pinning a handful of iu’s of fast acting slin 4-5 times a week, is going to do anything to your body’s natural production of insulin. I mean compare it to pulsing orals. It’s just not enough suppression for long enough. Your body is still producing insulin 140 out of 170 hours per week when you use even Novolin-R.
 
Matthersby said:
I’ll let the secretagogue guys answer that. I still really don’t understand why there is so much dogma about HAVING to run GH or peptides to get decent results with slin, but I’m certain the results will be better since the potential for bf accumulation is so prevalent with all insulins..
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Exactly slin is so potent by it own
 
Cgkone said:
What are the negatives of lr3 for lets say 6 months?
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Prevents the action of mgf. While lr3 causes differentiation, it can not cause proliferation. Thus preventing the proliferation of muscle cells.

All of this means you can get results from lr3, you will not get hyperplasia while using. So muscle cells will go like crazy for a bit then stop completely as you not getting hyperplasia. And hyperplasia does naturally happen, just much less than say while on hgh.

So lr3 for 2 weeks followed by at least a month wash out period. However, I think lr3 is pointless. DES preworkout is best. Or just forgo these and use hgh and it will naturally regulate itself. Haha or better yet use hgh and DES....
 
rtmilburn said:
Prevents the action of mgf. While lr3 causes differentiation, it can not cause proliferation. Thus preventing the proliferation of muscle cells.

All of this means you can get results from lr3, you will not get hyperplasia while using. So muscle cells will go like crazy for a bit then stop completely as you not getting hyperplasia. And hyperplasia does naturally happen, just much less than say while on hgh.

So lr3 for 2 weeks followed by at least a month wash out period. However, I think lr3 is pointless. DES preworkout is best. Or just forgo these and use hgh and it will naturally regulate itself. Haha or better yet use hgh and DES....
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Des pre and mgf post
 
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