Insulin Q and A

rtmilburn said:
Yes I do!!! Only problem is I do not have the time to back my claims up with evidence. I've done research in the past, that I used to develop my program, although I don't have it anymore.

I would love to do it but 40 hours of work and 13 college credit is more than enough for me. Haha
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No worries. I know Hyde and a several other guys have been telling me for a while that it’s time to get stronger. I’ll get some input all around and wait for your input at any point. Thanks bro.
 
Anecdotes are still powerful. In fact, if I had a scientifially conducted study that claimed X, but personal experience claims Y, then I’m siding with personal experience.

In science, the problem is often times the assumptions being made, not the conclusion.

In anecdotes, the problem is often times mismatching the cause to an effect because there isn’t enough control built into the trial.

Well-controlled anecdotes are supreme knowledge in body sculpting.
 
Newth said:
I think this thread just skipped atleast a year's worth of trial and error in the last week.
Thank you everybody for contributing.
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That’s the whole idea. I like to read about this stuff and have experimented lightly in the past. But I was certain some would come along and place invaluable information in a simplified format in the thread, and it provides a resource for others that are eager to learn, as many of us will always be.
 
fueledpassion
I haven't put anywhere near the research into it I need to yet but I think you may have addressed an issue with the BBing diet and lifestyle.
High BG, Insulin and at least the NO boosting aminos all raise the Superoxide Anion creating vascular leasioning and inflammation, yada yada.
I know Pomegranate antioxidants help lower this but you have pointed me in a new direction to look into.
Any thoughts on this?
 
Matthersby said:
No worries. I know Hyde and a several other guys have been telling me for a while that it’s time to get stronger. I’ll get some input all around and wait for your input at any point. Thanks bro.
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You can PM me to pick my brain any time. And you can peep my training log to get a feel for what I value.

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Matthersby said:
That’s the whole idea. I like to read about this stuff and have experimented lightly in the past. But I was certain some would come along and place invaluable information in a simplified format in the thread, and it provides a resource for others that are eager to learn, as many of us will always be.
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Hyde this will expand on your question about my bodyweight from my thread.

I'll be picking up a Novarapid pen in a few weeks to start testing. For now the pen is ok, it's not vials and needles.
I've got a 6 week cycle planed for across the end of the year while I have holidays.
I have 2 bottles of OL Tr3n to wet my feet with before 6 months prepping before something real.
Doses still need to be worked out and all but this is the outline. Everything works in synergy with everything else.

Dbol.
Tr3n.
MK-677.
Caber.
Insulin.

Edit: I forgot to add any comment criticisms welcome.
It's the closest thing to test, tren, gh and insulin I can think of for an oral cycle.
 
Newth said:
Hyde this will expand on your question about my bodyweight from my thread.

I'll be picking up a Novarapid pen in a few weeks to start testing. For now the pen is ok, it's not vials and needles.
I've got a 6 week cycle planed for across the end of the year while I have holidays.
I have 2 bottles of OL Tr3n to wet my feet with before 6 months prepping before something real.
Doses still need to be worked out and all but this is the outline. Everything works in synergy with everything else.

Dbol.
Tr3n.
MK-677.
Caber.
Insulin.

Edit: I forgot to add any comment criticisms welcome.
It's the closest thing to test, tren, gh and insulin I can think of for an oral cycle.
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Not trying to derail this, but if you’re not using an AI consider Musclegelz Androhard at least for a fast-dry topical DHT component. It will antagonize the estro receptors and raise libido, plus hardening and energy.

OL’s oral Tr3n at 150+mg is truly excellent, so hopefully the TD treats you well.
 
Newth said:
Hyde this will expand on your question about my bodyweight from my thread.

I'll be picking up a Novarapid pen in a few weeks to start testing. For now the pen is ok, it's not vials and needles.
I've got a 6 week cycle planed for across the end of the year while I have holidays.
I have 2 bottles of OL Tr3n to wet my feet with before 6 months prepping before something real.
Doses still need to be worked out and all but this is the outline. Everything works in synergy with everything else.

Dbol.
Tr3n.
MK-677.
Caber.
Insulin.

Edit: I forgot to add any comment criticisms welcome.
It's the closest thing to test, tren, gh and insulin I can think of for an oral cycle.
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I know just how hard it supposedly is getting ped’s in your country. This will yield some great results I’m betting. Wherever you sourced MK doesn’t carry some exem, arimi, or Letro? Gyno and bloat on Dbol, as you know, can be unruly.
 
Hyde said:
Not trying to derail this, but if you’re not using an AI consider Musclegelz Androhard at least for a fast-dry topical DHT component. It will antagonize the estro receptors and raise libido, plus hardening and energy.

OL’s oral Tr3n at 150+mg is truly excellent, so hopefully the TD treats you well.
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Thanks, I hadn't considered a DHT. I've kept things to a minimum for simplicity. I'll definitely look more into it.
My Tr3n is only oral and I'm stuck at 120mg/d unfortunately.
I posted it here as for now it's my walk around for tren/slin.
 
Matthersby said:
I know just how hard it supposedly is getting ped’s in your country. This will yield some great results I’m betting. Wherever you sourced MK doesn’t carry some exem, arimi, or Letro? Gyno and bloat on Dbol, as you know, can be unruly.
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Most ped's are easy enough, the hard thing seems to be the newer SERMs.

Dbol is for the estrogen mainly so I'm thinking of running it pretty low, less suppression than TD trest as a base.
From what I can gather it has a different anabolic pathway than other aas so complements when stacked also.
 
I need to go through cattle studies and protocols soon for tren.
Tren becomes more anabolic with estrogen which has me thinking it may direct fat deposits IM(veining) over SQ or visceral.....maybe not too.
 
Newth said:
Thanks, I hadn't considered a DHT. I've kept things to a minimum for simplicity. I'll definitely look more into it.
My Tr3n is only oral and I'm stuck at 120mg/d unfortunately.
I posted it here as for now it's my walk around for tren/slin.
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120 will work and be easier on you no doubt. Oral is what you want. There was some bunk Transdermal Tr3n from some of their batches unfortunately but caps were legit.
 
Newth said:
Thanks, I hadn't considered a DHT. I've kept things to a minimum for simplicity. I'll definitely look more into it.
My Tr3n is only oral and I'm stuck at 120mg/d unfortunately.
I posted it here as for now it's my walk around for tren/slin.
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.....is there any transdermal tren on the market?

Olympus labs dermatren?? that gone?
 
TRIGUY said:
.....is there any transdermal tren on the market?

Olympus labs dermatren?? that gone?
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OL is the only brand I have seen.
As far as I know Olympus UK don't make it anymore but it would be worth checking with one of the reps.
It it's a PH that converts to real tren at somewhere between 20-30% in oral form. I haven't looked into TD as I can't get it.
 
Funny how we can talk about insulin but not DNP.
 
I'm not gonna talk too much smack because the mods here are generally very cool but c'mon
 
ValiantThor08 said:
I would say equally dangerous. Take a little too much slin, you better eat fast. Take too much dnp, you are done. Nothing you can do.
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Driving a car is dangerous. A small turn can cause a deadly head on collision. Just stay in your lane and you will be ok.

Just like there are rules for driving, there are rules for insulin use and DNP use.

And I disagree. Taking a pill is simpler than managing blood sugar.

But I get the gist of what you are saying
 
RickyBlobby said:
Driving a car is dangerous. A small turn can cause a deadly head on collision. Just stay in your lane and you will be ok.

Just like there are rules for driving, there are rules for insulin use and DNP use.

And I disagree. Taking a pill is simpler than managing blood sugar.

But I get the gist of what you are saying
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I agree. Taking a pill is simple. But it seems people are lacking in some common sense when they are dying from taking a pill. I personally would never use either. That said, I'm not going to dictate to others that they cannot learn about either subject.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
I agree. Taking a pill is simple. But it seems people are lacking in some common sense when they are dying from taking a pill. I personally would never use either. That said, I'm not going to dictate to others that they cannot learn about either subject.
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Got ya. The reason I comment is I posted a harm reduction thread on DNP with a wealth of info, similar to this one, and it was taken down.
 
My opinion...

Theres a culture of fear, or respect, surrounding slin use, whether warranted or not. Look at the general vibe of this thread prior to the very recent posts: people are being told by slin users that its actually not that dangerous, that people overstate its danger, if you are careful. And being careful isnt hard.

Most gear users are scared of slin, due to myth or not. But its easy to purchase quality/reliable product.

DNP has a different attitude towards it. Its an oral. Slin, being injectable, is closed off to a huge audience. DNP is uncomplicated; slin is not similiarly effective all by itself.

Anyway, to me, "allowing" certain talk is implicitly condoning it. We can argue this point ad finitum, but I think a line needs to be drawn, arbitrarily or not. I agree with where it gets drawn (which includes brewing/sourcing).
 
RickyBlobby said:
Driving a car is dangerous. A small turn can cause a deadly head on collision. Just stay in your lane and you will be ok.

Just like there are rules for driving, there are rules for insulin use and DNP use.

And I disagree. Taking a pill is simpler than managing blood sugar.

But I get the gist of what you are saying
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If you’re not a professional bodybuilder or a diabetic, you probably shouldn’t be injecting insulin. That’s a pretty solid rule of thumb. Insulin is pretty much a necessity to be an elite bodybuilder today, DNP is not, so while most people have no business using either, at least one is required for the 1% of the 1%.

But seriously, if you need to ask for advice about how to use them, you don’t need to use them. ;)
 
RickyBlobby said:
Got ya. The reason I comment is I posted a harm reduction thread on DNP with a wealth of info, similar to this one, and it was taken down.
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Did it address that research showed it’s possible (not likely, but possible) to die from taking 2x the “standard” daily dose? I think I pointed that out and got an argument about how you shouldn’t double dose it, as if no one has ever forgotten they already took their meds, and DNP salesmen are known for their strict and unwavering adherence to GMP, of course.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
If you’re not a professional bodybuilder or a diabetic, you probably shouldn’t be injecting insulin. That’s a pretty solid rule of thumb. Insulin is pretty much a necessity to be an elite bodybuilder today, DNP is not, so while most people have no business using either, at least one is required for the 1% of the 1%.

But seriously, if you need to ask for advice about how to use them, you don’t need to use them. ;)
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Sort of. If you’re using GH, and running a high fasting blood sugar, you’re going to be favoring the use of a long acting basal insulin to avoid diabetes in the long run (or sooner)

One could argue IGF1 LR3 is safer. I would agree. Herbal GDAs even safer than that (hopefully) however far and away less anabolic.
 
Father in law left a bottle of novolin r in the fridge, said to just toss it as they live across the country. This thread is very helpful as I have no plans on "tossing" it.
 
misterbiggs said:
Father in law left a bottle of novolin r in the fridge, said to just toss it as they live across the country. This thread is very helpful as I have no plans on "tossing" it.
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Never break the one rule: everywhere you go for the next 8 hours, keep 200-500 grams of sugar ON YOU. Once you’ve dialed it in, you can take it 1.5 hours prior to the gym, and the gains can be quite impressive. Eat like your life depends on it. I saw more growth in my biceps, triceps and shoulders on slin, than any other ped. Peptides or Growth would really be the icing on the cake though.
 
Matthersby said:
Never break the one rule: everywhere you go for the next 8 hours, keep 200-500 grams of sugar ON YOU. Once you’ve dialed it in, you can take it 1.5 hours prior to the gym, and the gains can be quite impressive. Eat like your life depends on it. I saw more growth in my biceps, triceps and shoulders on slin, than any other ped. Peptides or Growth would really be the icing on the cake though.
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Thanks dude!
 
Old Witch said:
You insulin lovers really need to try that IGF1.
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Been learning more about it, especially to get my blood glucose down with perhaps an LR3 used eod protocol. Mk677 appears to really raise my fasting glucose, but it does seem to help my recovery so I’m loathe to stop using it forever. Especially when IGF1 could really add some gains.
 
Hyde said:
Been learning more about it, especially to get my blood glucose down with perhaps an LR3 used eod protocol. Mk677 appears to really raise my fasting glucose, but it does seem to help my recovery so I’m loathe to stop using it forever. Especially when IGF1 could really add some gains.
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Agree 100% you really should do that. I think the simplest route is starting with the one size fits all dose (100mcg/day) and then increasing if need be, based on fasting GL.
 
Most people don’t recon it with 0.6% AA, just bac water instead, so it’s bad after a couple hours.
 
misterbiggs said:
I keep hearing its hard to get legit IGF1. That its faked a lot.
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Two things here.
Insulin costs between $8-$30 for months and months worth of it.
IGF-1 costs between $50-$200 and you can burn through that quick.
Lantus raises IGF significantly so it’s a cheap, albeit less effective alternative.
Kind of like how everyone uses CJCnoDAC and GHRP-6/2, and not just GH. Cheaper.

The main problem isn’t the bunking of IGF-1 by RC companies as most get raws from the same few suppliers. It’s how delicate the compound is. Brewing, shipping, storage, light, heat, humidity, practically everything will degrade it. If my costly hobby didn’t already cost me too much as it is, I would totally be using igf-1, but for now, insulin has given me great results.
 
Matthersby said:
Two things here.
Insulin costs between $8-$30 for months and months worth of it.
IGF-1 costs between $50-$200 and you can burn through that quick.
Lantus raises IGF significantly so it’s a cheap, albeit less effective alternative.

The main problem isn’t the bunking of IGF-1 by RC companies as most get raws from the same few suppliers. It’s how delicate the compound is. Brewing, shipping, storage, light, heat, humidity, practically everything will degrade it. If my costly hobby didn’t already cost me too much as it is, I would totally be using igf-1, but for now, insulin has given me great results.
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It insulon can be extremely dangerous whereas with IGF1 the risks sound pretty minimal.
 
It’s a lot harder to **** up with IGF1 and kill yourself. It could be done for sure... but that would be a pretty expensive fatal dose. You’d be taking 250mcg minimum in order to be close to lethal levels, if you didn’t have carbs around. And that’s the other thing. If you do like that spartan kid and take a quarter mg of IGF and go hypo, you just pound down the carbs all day and while you’re saving your own life you’re also getting swole. ;)
 
Also, I know of a few legitimate sources of IGF for well under 50 a mg.

Though there were more, prices rose quite suddenly on the one I tried already.
 
BroBrian said:
Old Witch how long in your opinion is it safe to cycle lr3?
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Indefinitely. It’s entirely dependent on how much you take and how your body reacts. It can cause organ growth, but not as well as insulin. It also cannot store fat like insulin, so spillover will happen at the heart and lungs first for some unlucky men. Other men it will happen at the intestines and liver, other men it will happen in the bones.
 
Reading with curiosity as someone that has used Novalin R quite effectively...Im sure my protocol is floating around here somewhere. Insulin and guns have the same things in common..in the hands of someone knowledgeable they are both quite safe..in the hands of an idiot, both are very dangerous.
 
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