Insulin Q and A

Matthersby

Matthersby

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I’m finding it’s a very misunderstood drug on the forums. I don’t pretend to be a guru. I will be copy and pasting info from much more intelligent guys than I. But I have spent years and years researching and 1 year using it quite safely.

I’d like to add it can kill you in just a few minutes and I do not recommend using it if you are reckless or careless. But there are ways to use it safely.
 
I’m going to log the insane gains on here too when I start next month... I want people to see what this stuff can do... Even better with GH, but it’s amazing on its own too if you’re meticulous with diet.
 
My main query is...

As far as I gather a lot of the glycogen from the carbs is only a temp gain in size but the extra gains in protein mass make it worthwhile...does this sound valid?
 
The gains that were in sheer muscle were rather easy to hang onto. Easier than AAS. There will be some temporary glycogen water pull into the muscle, but far less than AAS. That’s why I slowly started backing off 10/1 sugar/insulin and was always adding BCAAs and proteins and backing off until it was 6/1 and I was getting maybe another 80 grams of protein a day.

I only pinned once a day, preworkout and only a 3-4 days a week. I dropped down to a cruise dose of test after December 2016 and kept my calories high. The gains I did make that I attribute to the Slin, I had No problem hanging onto. It’s like injecting IGF-1, nitric oxide, and a post workout meal directly into your bicep while you are training. The gains seem to be instant and extremely maintainable. Just gotta eat to maintain it, lots of food on Slin days anyways.
 
Matthersby said:
The gains that were in sheer muscle were rather easy to hang onto. Easier than AAS. There will be some temporary glycogen water pull into the muscle, but far less than AAS. That’s why I slowly started backing off 10/1 sugar/insulin and was always adding BCAAs and proteins and backing off until it was 6/1 and I was getting maybe another 80 grams of protein a day.

I only pinned once a day, preworkout and only a 3-4 days a week. I dropped down to a cruise dose of test after December 2016 and kept my calories high. The gains I did make that I attribute to the Slin, I had No problem hanging onto. It’s like injecting IGF-1, nitric oxide, and a post workout meal directly into your bicep while you are training. The gains seem to be instant and extremely maintainable. Just gotta eat to maintain it, lots of food on Slin days anyways.
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How much?
 
Did you notice any "INTESTINAL growth"???

Why only 1 slin shot a day? is not fast acting? or looonggg acting like TRESIBA?? how many i.u.'s of growth & what kind do you use?

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TRIGUY said:
Did you notice any "INTESTINAL growth"???

Why only 1 slin shot a day? is not fast acting? or looonggg acting like TRESIBA?? how many i.u.'s of growth & what kind do you use?

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Not that I noticed.

I truly believe it’s the combined action of GH and Insulin that cause that gut, and I’ve never used GH. It’s synergistic with slin, but I assssuuuurrrre you, you don’t need it to put on huge gains with insulin. It really helps with keeping the fat off, which at that time, never became a concern to me.

I’ll be honest, it’s stressful. And one shot on workout days did plenty for gains. I didn’t want to deal with any more than that.

Lantus, if it doesn’t get me fat, really excites me. Safe, and big gains to be had...
 
Cortisol control might be worth looking into with Lantus to lower fat gain.
 
It’s tricky. I am looking at a lot of things to limit bf, but I lose bf easily, so I may just take it the way it comes and just keep diet clean and bulk. But it’s not like it happens quick, there’s time to adjust calories, add cardio, cycle off and/or lower dose. I put on zero fat with Nov-R, but Lantus has 23 hour activity, so the potential is there for being “too anabolic”
 
Matthersby said:
It’s tricky. I am looking at a lot of things to limit bf, but I lose bf easily, so I may just take it the way it comes and just keep diet clean and bulk. But it’s not like it happens quick, there’s time to adjust calories, add cardio, cycle off and/or lower dose. I put on zero fat with Nov-R, but Lantus has 23 hour activity, so the potential is there for being “too anabolic”
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Doesn't Lantus gives a much more stable blood sugar level with less need to eat sugars though?
 
Matthersby said:
Just 8-12iu’s. Never been over 12. And I was 255lbs at the time. Didn’t seem to need more for growth with Nov-R.
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And what exactly do you feel and see? And how fast.
I'm open to slin. Just kinda lazy to look it up. Still getting plenty gains from juice and GH.
But slin is cheap and stacking stuff always makes stuff work better.
 
Matthersby said:
It’s tricky. I am looking at a lot of things to limit bf, but I lose bf easily, so I may just take it the way it comes and just keep diet clean and bulk. But it’s not like it happens quick, there’s time to adjust calories, add cardio, cycle off and/or lower dose. I put on zero fat with Nov-R, but Lantus has 23 hour activity, so the potential is there for being “too anabolic”
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Pharmacology . NOVOLIN-R
Metabolism: liver, kidney, fat; CYP450: none

Excretion: urine 30-80%; Half-life: 17-52min (IV route), 86-141min (SC route, apparent); Info: onset, peak, duration vary among insulin products and routes; see Insulin Comparisons table for more info

....of all the insulin available, why Nov-R??
 
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Matthersby said:
Not that I noticed.

I truly believe it’s the combined action of GH and Insulin that cause that gut, and I’ve never used GH. It’s synergistic with slin, but I assssuuuurrrre you, you don’t need it to put on huge gains with insulin. It really helps with keeping the fat off, which at that time, never became a concern to me....
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^^^ This! I have several friends/family members that take slin for Type 1/Type 2 diabetes and NONE of them have seen their intestines grow. And probably half of them are dosing double/triple of what a bodybuilder uses due to the advancement of their disease.
 
Newth said:
Doesn't Lantus gives a much more stable blood sugar level with less need to eat sugars though?
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Yes. The IGF-1 increase is alone worth looking at.

It’s worth mentioning that you absolutely CAN still go hypo on Lantus, it’s just highly unlikely and has such an extended onset that it leaves plenty of time to deal with it.

But the idea is that it has no real peak, so there is no need to have a 10/1 almost immediate dextrose response post injection.
But since it is literally only for bulking, my carb intake will be all throughout the day anyways.. I wouldn’t take ANY insulin without more than adequate carb intake during its active life. That’s asking for trouble unless you’ve got a lot of experience dieting on slin and a sharp response for hypoglycemia. And I can tell you, it very well could have killed me one time if I hadn’t had precautions in place.
 
TRIGUY said:
Pharmacology . NOVOLIN-R
Metabolism: liver, kidney, fat; CYP450: none

Excretion: urine 30-80%; Half-life: 17-52min (IV route), 86-141min (SC route, apparent); Info: onset, peak, duration vary among insulin products and routes; see Insulin Comparisons table for more info

....of all the insulin available, why Nov-R??
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It’s available otc and legally at WalMart. and I didn’t have a lot of resources at the time to buy any other kind. And I lived somewhere where craigslist wasn’t going to find me any within 3 hours of driving.

2 insulins I would most prefer to use:

Novolog (FASTEST)
Lantus (slowest)

You either don’t want it to peak at all, or you want it to peak quick and be gone quick, so you don’t go about your day, 7 hours later go hypo in a place where you can’t act fast enough. That post-workout window isn’t a myth when it comes to insulin. You can make big gains during that time with any kind of insulin...
 
Cgkone said:
And what exactly do you feel and see? And how fast.
I'm open to slin. Just kinda lazy to look it up. Still getting plenty gains from juice and GH.
But slin is cheap and stacking stuff always makes stuff work better.
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You see a pump that is indescribable, and it doesn’t seem to subside throughout the rest of your day with the massive amounts of nutrients you are shuttling nutrients directly into it.

I would just get your hands on some Novolog and try it just on lagging body part workout days. Follow safe protocols with a good slin shake intraworkout (one of the most important parts I feel) and see if it doesn’t put even more muscle on. I never skipped it on bicep day. The gains were impressive to say the least. GH/AAS/Slin? Shyt, you’ll be damn impressed with it...
 
Matthersby said:
You see a pump that is indescribable, and it doesn’t seem to subside throughout the rest of your day with the massive amounts of nutrients you are shuttling nutrients directly into it.

I would just get your hands on some Novolog and try it just on lagging body part workout days. Follow safe protocols with a good slin shake intraworkout (one of the most important parts I feel) and see if it doesn’t put even more muscle on. I never skipped it on bicep day. The gains were impressive to say the least. GH/AAS/Slin? Shyt, you’ll be damn impressed with it...
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Thinking about it
 
Matthersby said:
You see a pump that is indescribable, and it doesn’t seem to subside throughout the rest of your day with the massive amounts of nutrients you are shuttling nutrients directly into it.

I would just get your hands on some Novolog and try it just on lagging body part workout days. Follow safe protocols with a good slin shake intraworkout (one of the most important parts I feel) and see if it doesn’t put even more muscle on. I never skipped it on bicep day. The gains were impressive to say the least. GH/AAS/Slin? Shyt, you’ll be damn impressed with it...
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Novolog is over the counter correct?
 
Cgkone said:
Most people I know say its easy and safe.
I just have this unjustified preconception that insulin=death.
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I hear you bro. Never touched the stuff. Know a few guys that have, but they treated it very seriously. Always had carbs within an arm’s reach. And never took it everyday of the week, only a few days a week. I’m too fat to take it lol! If I was lean, I’d be running it for sure.
 
jackedviking said:
^^^ This! I have several friends/family members that take slin for Type 1/Type 2 diabetes and NONE of them have seen their intestines grow. And probably half of them are dosing double/triple of what a bodybuilder uses due to the advancement of their

there missing the KEY ingredient!


GH!!
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Matthersby said:
Yes. The IGF-1 increase is alone worth looking at.

It’s worth mentioning that you absolutely CAN still go hypo on Lantus, it’s just highly unlikely and has such an extended onset that it leaves plenty of time to deal with it.

But the idea is that it has no real peak, so there is no need to have a 10/1 almost immediate dextrose response post injection.
But since it is literally only for bulking, my carb intake will be all throughout the day anyways.. I wouldn’t take ANY insulin without more than adequate carb intake during its active life. That’s asking for trouble unless you’ve got a lot of experience dieting on slin and a sharp response for hypoglycemia. And I can tell you, it very well could have killed me one time if I hadn’t had precautions in place.
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So I guess with Lantus, between oats and casein you should be able to drip feed your muscles on top of your meals?
 
Matthersby said:
I’m finding it’s a very misunderstood drug on the forums. I don’t pretend to be a guru. I will be copy and pasting info from much more intelligent guys than I. But I have spent years and years researching and 1 year using it quite safely.

I’d like to add it can kill you in just a few minutes and I do not recommend using it if you are reckless or careless. But there are ways to use it safely.
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I'm doing 20 units 45 mins pre workout with 250 carbs, 60 protein. Then during my workout, I consume another 250 in carbs and 60 in protein and 15 of creatine. An hour after workout I eat more carbs and protein. Currently running 750 test e, and 50 Anadrol ed. Strength has went through the roof, body weight goes up everyday.
 
swimfan65 said:
I'm doing 20 units 45 mins pre workout with 250 carbs, 60 protein. Then during my workout, I consume another 250 in carbs and 60 in protein and 15 of creatine. An hour after workout I eat more carbs and protein. Currently running 750 test e, and 50 Anadrol ed. Strength has went through the roof, body weight goes up everyday.
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This post makes me really happy! And jealous!
 
Newth said:
So I guess with Lantus, between oats and casein you should be able to drip feed your muscles on top of your meals?
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Let’s hope so! I’m just going to eat until I see bf accumulating and then back off carbs until it’s limited but still gaining weight. If I could afford GH on top of all the other stuff I’m on, I would do it..
 
swimfan65 said:
I'm doing 20 units 45 mins pre workout with 250 carbs, 60 protein. Then during my workout, I consume another 250 in carbs and 60 in protein and 15 of creatine. An hour after workout I eat more carbs and protein. Currently running 750 test e, and 50 Anadrol ed. Strength has went through the roof, body weight goes up everyday.
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Swim! Make sure they know you are 300+ pounds though! This is a “safety thread”
We get a 165lb guy dropping dead, I’m gonna feel awful.

Just a disclaimer: I was 250lbs, and I started at only 4iu’s preworkout. I worked my way up slowly and comfortably. You can’t be too safe with this stuff. This goes for EVERY INSULIN other than Lantus and these:

Detemir (Levemir)
Degludec (Tresiba)
Glargine (Toujeo)

The only true “safe” insulin’s, and they’ll still kill you if you don’t know what you’re doing and/or not eating for long periods.

(WHEN RUNNING LONG ACTING SLIN)
I’ll be starting at 10iu’s once in the AM. A big guy could work up to what some pros run which can be upwards of 40-50iu’s up to twice daily. I have no intentions of running even close to these doses for 2 reasons.
-I don’t run GH(so I’ll get too fat)
-I’ll be running NPP,Test,Dbol during this bulk. I may “bump up my dose” while I drop down to a cruise dose of test. But these drugs are going to put plenty of size on me, just want the little extra size slin will give me.
 
Matthersby said:
Let’s hope so! I’m just going to eat until I see bf accumulating and then back off carbs until it’s limited but still gaining weight. If I could afford GH on top of all the other stuff I’m on, I would do it..
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I've got close to a year before I can do a real cycle. Something that is obvious that I'm on at least.
So I will be following your progress keenly.
 
Newth said:
I've got close to a year before I can do a real cycle. Something that is obvious that I'm on at least.
So I will be following your progress keenly.
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What’s going on?

The reason I’m so determined to put on size at 40 years old, and willing to use insulin: I’ve been wanting to do a competition for 5 years. Something always comes up and derails my progress every few years. I’m finally at a point where no injuries are plaguing me, and financially ready to do it. It’s something I’ll regret not doing, as I’ve followed bodybuilding since I was a 16 year old 160 lb skateboarder and I fell in love with bodybuilding literally overnight.
I’m too tall and I’ll never have the legs for anything but Men’s Physique, but I plan to be the biggest and leanest on stage, don’t really even care if I win.
 
Matthersby said:
What’s going on?

The reason I’m so determined to put on size at 40 years old, and willing to use insulin: I’ve been wanting to do a competition for 5 years. Something always comes up and derails my progress every few years. I’m finally at a point where no injuries are plaguing me, and financially ready to do it. It’s something I’ll regret not doing, as I’ve followed bodybuilding since I was a 16 year old 160 lb skateboarder and I fell in love with bodybuilding literally overnight.
I’m too tall and I’ll never have the legs for anything but Men’s Physique, but I plan to be the biggest and leanest on stage, don’t really even care if I win.
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Potential family court reasons.
Crack heads will use anything against you if they are cornered.

I originally came here to help arthritis issues but ya'll made me remember something about life that depression had hidden over the years.

I love your goal and you seem to be looking at it very realistically too.
 
Been there... I’m actually taking my ex to court next month to get her compliant with our current order for parenting time. She gets away with murder in this state and bleeds me dry financially. And I’ve been dealing with her crazy a$$ since 2009.

Good luck with all of that..
 
Matthersby said:
Been there... I’m actually taking my ex to court next month to get her compliant with our current order for parenting time. She gets away with murder in this state and bleeds me dry financially. And I’ve been dealing with her crazy a$$ since 2009.

Good luck with all of that..
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All the best to you too.
11 years later I'm pretty used to it, only 10 months of giving her money while I have custody left. The system works out weird like that.
 
Mathersby
You think twice a week for lagging body parts would yield results?
I'm thinking bis.
Ill need to take a carbed shake with me for intro consumption?
 
Matthersby said:
What’s going on?

The reason I’m so determined to put on size at 40 years old, and willing to use insulin: I’ve been wanting to do a competition for 5 years. Something always comes up and derails my progress every few years. I’m finally at a point where no injuries are plaguing me, and financially ready to do it. It’s something I’ll regret not doing, as I’ve followed bodybuilding since I was a 16 year old 160 lb skateboarder and I fell in love with bodybuilding literally overnight.
I’m too tall and I’ll never have the legs for anything but Men’s Physique, but I plan to be the biggest and leanest on stage, don’t really even care if I win.
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Yeah, being tall (Im 6'6) kind of takes away your chance to be successful on stage. That's why I powerlift and do strongman.
 
Cgkone said:
Mathersby
You think twice a week for lagging body parts would yield results?
I'm thinking bis.
Ill need to take a carbed shake with me for intro consumption?
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It did wonders for my bi’s.

I feel the intraworkout shake is one of the most important aspects of preworkout slin. I know I’ve said it in different threads, START with post workout just to get an idea how often you’ll need to eat etc. You’ll proabably go hypo slightly once in that time and will know what to look for or you’ll just be so cautious, every time you feel a little strange, you’ll eat. That’s fine too. This little experiment was May 2016-February 2017, so I tried every different way to do this and took my time getting it right. Preworkout is where the money is at though. It’s night and day difference.

Here’s the shake I got from some Online Insulin Guru:

I just got the cheapest supps I could.

- 10 grams creatine
- 15 grams BCAA’s or more.
- 60-80 grams dextrose

Sometimes there were some premade mixes that had creatine and bcaa’s and I would mix with Gatorade powder etc just to get something close to this.

I never went to the gym without this. But I also would have the equivalent of at least 400 grams of dextrose tabs or gummi bears with me in my gym bag. Over-preparedness was key, cause with fast acting slin can come extremely fast drops in blood sugar.
 
Matthersby said:
Swim! Make sure they know you are 300+ pounds though! This is a “safety thread”
We get a 165lb guy dropping dead, I’m gonna feel awful.

Just a disclaimer: I was 250lbs, and I started at only 4iu’s preworkout. I worked my way up slowly and comfortably. You can’t be too safe with this stuff. This goes for EVERY INSULIN other than Lantus and these:




Detemir (Levemir)
Degludec (Tresiba)
Glargine (Toujeo)

The only true “safe” insulin’s, and they’ll still kill you if you don’t know what you’re doing and/or not eating for long periods.

(WHEN RUNNING LONG ACTING SLIN)
I’ll be starting at 10iu’s once in the AM. A big guy could work up to what some pros run which can be upwards of 40-50iu’s up to twice daily. I have no intentions of running even close to these doses for 2 reasons.
-I don’t run GH(so I’ll get too fat)
-I’ll be running NPP,Test,Dbol during this bulk. I may “bump up my dose” while I drop down to a cruise dose of test. But these drugs are going to put plenty of size on me, just want the little extra size slin will give me.
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Anyone know where they can get tresiba syringe "caps"?? I got the tresiba pen but no syringe tips. ;(
 
You can formulate your own. As long as you’re getting aminos, creatine, and sugar, that’s the main thing. I’ve never got a thing from creatine in my life, but I did with this. Glutamine and hmb etc are all fine too... The more nutrients the better.
 
I didn’t really get fat using fast acting. But I was on good aas. For long acting, most say not to touch it unless you’re on GH or have a good handle on diet and leanish. I feel like it’s more of a discipline thing since you HAVE to eat on it, so it’s great for bulking, not so great if there’s potential for bf increases and you can’t afford any increase.
 
Matthersby said:
I didn’t really get fat using fast acting. But I was on good aas. For long acting, most say not to touch it unless you’re on GH or have a good handle on diet and leanish. I feel like it’s more of a discipline thing since you HAVE to eat on it, so it’s great for bulking, not so great if there’s potential for bf increases and you can’t afford any increase.
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I agree. During my 5 hour window, I force foods..carbs, and protien...little fat. Shoot during workout, I consume over 2k and 250 carbs and 60 to 80 in protein.
 
I ate such limited fat on it. I think ground beef and some pork and peanut butter was really the extent of it. I was probably 45/45/10
 
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