Im stupid because i used 3 sarms at the same time? god forbid i do anything other than use 3 steroids at the same time. Im "shutdown" because im not on testosterone like most of the community, just because i have less testosterone doesnt mean that people on multiple roids arent more suppressed than i am. theres nothing stupid about taking 3 sarms at the same time and then using dermacrine. Many people said that using dermacrine is the equivalent to 150/trt of test a week, so my bad in thinking that twice that and 4 andro would boost my testosterone whatsoever. I am a complete idiot for believing people in forums and I should be chasticed for starting a thread about my own ignorance. The only thing that points to me being an idiot is the fact that i thought this was a place for intellectuals to provide information and constructive criticism rather than it being a place predominantly comprised of people making wild assumptions about me and claiming 3 sarms and some andros is worse than dbol deca and test run together. i thought dermacrine and 4 andro was supposed to boost testosterone a bit, i wasnt hoping for a miracle and i didnt even give a **** if they worked or not, i was just testing them and i already proved that they do not boost testosterone or estrogen, so youre welcome. i guarantee i came back because i dropped the yk11, same thing happened my first cycle without using derma or andros. And many of you have implied that it will be extremely difficult to come back or i should just be on trt the rest of my life. A number of you have said things that i know arent true, yet im called misinformed.
So...here it is. You aren't "stupid".
You used multiple co.pounds with little knowledge and experience, misjudged the dangers and THAT was a stupid mistake. Fine. We all make stupid mistakes. I have some really good stories from my stupid mistakes.
And people on here have actually been very respectful for the most part, but honest. You done ****ed up. That's the truth. It happens. You have to accept that first.
And I think you are the one who asks for advice and at least three times have been given solid advice and you respond with, "Do you even know what you are talking about?" To people who are trying to help.
Questioning is good. Especially on a public board. But you have been disrespectful to people who are offering you help. They dont need help from you, dont need to help you, and you are the one who was extremely suppressed.
And your interpretations are all wrong. For instance, you "guarantee" the test came up from the YK ..yet...you dont have much experience with this. A fee months? So how are you so sure?
The fact is, maybe it would have come up, but it may also be unlikely because...you were basically closed for business, and you were still using suppressive hormones. Stopping 1 suppressive hormone and continuing 2-3 more isnt a good recovery strategy.
It is stupid to sit here, after you have proven you ****ed up with blood work, and to keep acting like things other people are saying aren't true, you know it all, and blame Dermacrine for not protecting you from that mistake.
But...I kind of guess if I was in your shoes, I may be a little freaked out and not saying that. The only way to deal with that fear might be to not admit you have the problem or anything to be afraid of to begin with.
And I see that in your interpretation that you think many people have implied you will be shut down for life. No one has said that. We are saying this is serious and you, at the very least, NEED to stop everything and use a SERM.
And if you dont already have a SERM, it's another stupid mistake. But guess what, all you have to do is admit it and listen and BAM...you are now educated! And you won't make that mistake again.
And even better, you should go to a doctor. No one on here knows your medical history, your complete bloodwork, etc. We know you have low test from a bunch of suppressive chemicals. You know what else can cause really low test? Some cancers. Is it likely? Nah...we have a plausible pathology that you are just suppressed. But how would I know? And what if the full blood work showed something else?
On a positive note..you actually did bloodwork. Good job. A lot of people wouldn't even know what their problem is.
Stop ****ing around, get a SERM at least.
I want to state that i don't know much about drugs, supplements or substances. A lot of you inferred that my statement about spending countless hours here and there over the past 10 years means that i have been studying illegal drugs, and that i think i know everything. I mostly only obsessed over diets, macros, routines, etc. Only in the past 10 months have I looked into sarms, and only in the past few months have i read about dermacrine, andros, and steroids. I dont know much about them whatsoever. Thats why i only ever used sarms to start, the dermacrine and some andros and used myself as a test subject. I got blood work that proved that they dont increase testosterone or estrogen significantly. Now, anyone who was misinformed like I was now knows that they're not worth taking while on sarms or while suppressed.
Again, your interpretations are off. It isnt that it isnt worth taking. It is that you are expecting too much of it. Without it, you may be surprised. Like said above, stop it and continue to do the andros/sarms and see what happens. You just dont know. It's your first time through.
You are acting like you know stuff that you just don't. And you are acting so sure of it to be honest. Which is typical....often when we know very little, we dont realize what we don't know.
And your blood work doesnt really prove anything, but it does make Dermacrine look pretty effective actually. Without it, I doubt you would have rebounded even to where you are now.
It's like if you are earning $100 a day and spending $300 and you say, "if I stop spending $100 I will be able to build a nest egg." No, you will still be losing $100 every day and be more than broke.
I decided earlier this morning to stop the andros, dermacrine, and sarms today and to start the pct. I know it doesn't seem like im listening and I am being ungrateful and argumentative, but I really appreciate what most of you are saying. I guess I misunderstood what a test base was, I thought its name was literal, but now I know it is only supposed to make you feel like youre not suppressed even though you still are, by some mechanism I don't understand. Is there anyway to use SARMs while keeping one's test up? Im being ridiculed for letting my testosterone drop while using SARMs, but what was I supposed to do? Inject testosterone? kind of defeats the purpose of taking SARMs doesn't it?
Good call. Get a SERM. If you need help...ask or see a doctor who will put you on one.
As far as what should you have done? Take it slower and have more concern. Dont throw everything in all at once. Get used to running complete cycles with one or maybe two substances. This would be much different if you had 1 SARM and came here with an issue. You would have learned how to deal with the same problems without being so suppressed and risking so much.
And I am not trying to act like a know-it-all either. I've run 11-KT really and that's it pretty much for me...so I am academic at this point. With some time and learning I will be coming to you for advice. So I want to make sure you know this sh1t.
I agree that sarms are more risky and probably less healthy than pinning. So are people who take multiple aas less suppressed than someone taking 3 sarms? they are generated more endogenous/natural testosterone than I am without taking hcg? I haven't heard of another compound that would make that happen, or are aas not as suppressive as sarms somehow?
You dont seem to understand how negative feedback loops work entirely and it's not just about more or less. (Not calling you stupid...just explaining) I think you are discounting the Dermacrine too, without really knowing. It wouldn't be strong enough on a steroid cycle either. Not on own.
