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Spurfy's Cutting Protocol.

hairygrandpa said:
Search with google:

"Injectable SD Mike arnold"

First link.
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Tnx :)

Interesting. While liver toxicity is probably the same, as it still is a c17aa compound, the appetite thing looks nice. Never tried SD myself, but for a cut (seeing as this is a thread about cutting), it looks like the oral should be better as it suppresses appetite.
 
YoungThor said:
I read three side effects and got scared. I just took a two week break during my cut where I didn’t concern myself with it and now I’m gonna continue. Surprisingly my weight stayed the same.
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Yeah I was a little surprised when nicotine took the focus, lol.
Sounds like your getting a recomp. If you can drop 4-5 pounds without loosing water and glycogen you can use the rebound weight gain effect to speed up muscle growth a little. Your body likes to stay the same weight.
Your already learning about testosterone, estrogen and growth hormone, take some time to learn a little about insulin, igf-1 and cortisone. Estrogen and cortisone get a bad name but really they are two sided like insulin.
 
Jinsun said:
Tnx :)

Interesting. While liver toxicity is probably the same, as it still is a methylated compound, the appetite thing looks nice. Never tried SD myself, but for a cut (seeing as this is a thread about cutting), it looks like the oral should be better as it suppresses appetite.
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If its anything like injetctable winstrol it will be less liver toxic from bypassing the liver first time from ingestion.
 
Newth said:
If its anything like injetctable winstrol it will be less liver toxic from bypassing the liver first time from ingestion.
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Inj winstrol really shouldn't be any less hepatotoxic then the oral one. You are still injecting an 17aa and it will go through the liver eventually. Most likely the reason that inj sd doesn't cause loss of appetite is bc it doesn't stress the gastrointestinal tract, but hepatotoxicity is most likely the same.

Just my thoughts...
 
YoungThor said:
I click on the link a little later when I have time to read it.

But that’s a crazy generalization of weed smokers. I smoke weed everyday and I hate stimulants. I’ve known hundreds of weed smokers and very few are also into stimulants. And I don’t know a single person who’s unemployed as a result of smoking weed. It’s not like you have to do it. You just do it when you have the free time, or you don’t. It’s nonaddictive. There’s plenty of stoners who are go-getters and plenty who are lazy a$$es but those same qualities can be observed in the non-weed-smoking population.
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Weed is non-addictive? I have nothing against weed but thats just not true lol. The physical withdrawal symptoms are hardly noticeable if there are any but mentally it is addictive as f*ck. I know so many potheads who literally couldnt stop smoking weed to save their life. I know a few people that lost very high paying jobs because they couldnt stop and failed drug tests. Like i said i have nothing against weed, i used to smoke all day every day. But saying its non-addictive just isnt true
 
christ83189 said:
Weed is non-addictive? I have nothing against weed but thats just not true lol. The physical withdrawal symptoms are hardly noticeable if there are any but mentally it is addictive as f*ck. I know so many potheads who literally couldnt stop smoking weed to save their life. I know a few people that lost very high paying jobs because they couldnt stop and failed drug tests. Like i said i have nothing against weed, i used to smoke all day every day. But saying its non-addictive just isnt true
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Well everything can be addictive. There’s people who are addicted to peanut butter and collecting dolls. I should’ve said it doesn’t cause physical dependence, like many other drugs do. If someone loses their job because they couldn’t stop smoking weed then they are a very week minded individual. There are also many people who smoke weed constantly and then stop on a dime for several months on end while they’re job searching. But of course even relatively harmless things can be addictive to some people. I’m sure many of us are addicted to lifting weights.
 
christ83189 said:
Weed is non-addictive? I have nothing against weed but thats just not true lol. The physical withdrawal symptoms are hardly noticeable if there are any but mentally it is addictive as f*ck. I know so many potheads who literally couldnt stop smoking weed to save their life. I know a few people that lost very high paying jobs because they couldnt stop and failed drug tests. Like i said i have nothing against weed, i used to smoke all day every day. But saying its non-addictive just isnt true
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Not sure how it works but I can see how it's not considered addictive like alcohol coffee or tobacco. I think most people will manage fine without weed but the fact that it's so easily attainable makes people chose to smoke it everyday when they have it and I'm guilty of that. I just never thought the abscence affected me and after a while I feel you get tired of weed but hey everyone's different
 
Chados said:
Not sure how it works but I can see how it's not considered addictive like alcohol coffee or tobacco. I think most people will manage fine without weed but the fact that it's so easily attainable makes people chose to smoke it everyday when they have it and I'm guilty of that. I just never thought the abscence affected me and after a while I feel you get tired of weed but hey everyone's different
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Yeah alot of people are like that and can just take it or leave it. But i know alot of people that are addicted to week just like cigarettes. Get all cranky and irritable and have a hard time focusing if they didnt smoke weed.
 
Jinsun said:
Inj winstrol really shouldn't be any less hepatotoxic then the oral one. You are still injecting an 17aa and it will go through the liver eventually. Most likely the reason that inj sd doesn't cause loss of appetite is bc it doesn't stress the gastrointestinal tract, but hepatotoxicity is most likely the same.

Just my thoughts...
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Maybe the IM version gets into the blood stream slower, hitting the liver not as hard.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Maybe the IM version gets into the blood stream slower, hitting the liver not as hard.
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Most definitely the inj stays in your body longer. But we don't know what is actually better: longer release or shorter ie. is it better for the liver to metabolise it all in a shorter time frame or to metabolise it in a longer time frame... If it matters at all, as you wont do any damage to your liver either way...
 
Jinsun said:
Most definitely the inj stays in your body longer. But we don't know what is actually better: longer release or shorter ie. is it better for the liver to metabolise it all in a shorter time frame or to metabolise it in a longer time frame... If it matters at all, as you wont do any damage to your liver either way...
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One could easily assume that exposing the liver suddenly to a high amount of toxins is worse than little- by little.

Also, IM prolongs the short half life of SD, another plus.
 
Jinsun said:
Inj winstrol really shouldn't be any less hepatotoxic then the oral one. You are still injecting an 17aa and it will go through the liver eventually. Most likely the reason that inj sd doesn't cause loss of appetite is bc it doesn't stress the gastrointestinal tract, but hepatotoxicity is most likely the same.

Just my thoughts...
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The idea is once injected it starts working straight away but when ingested it gets filtered before it can start working.
This has been has been said for a long time now, over the years I have read enough from trusted sources to believe it, I also got told this from a factory employee in the field.
To be honest I could be wrong as I haven't searched studies on it though.
 
Newth said:
The idea is once injected it starts working straight away but when ingested it gets filtered before it can start working.
This has been has been said for a long time now, over the years I have read enough from trusted sources to believe it, I also got told this from a factory employee in the field.
To be honest I could be wrong as I haven't searched studies on it though.
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Yeah me neither. At this point this is all broscience: ie. what makes more "sense"...
 
Superdrol injectible is God damn interesting, one of the strongest compounds out there for sure.
 
rtmilburn said:
Wrong. It's the beta Carbolines and other alkaloids which significantly potentiate that function of nicotine which creates more highly addictive substance
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But its still the nicotine right.
I mean the heroin addict is addictedd to the opiate. So if I smoke opiumit takes longer to get addicted than if I smoked heroin. But after a while on opium I'm addicted to opiates.
Or is nicotine different?
 
Jinsun said:
In the thread that we were discussing taking a serm on cycle to prevent shutdown he got annoyed/pissed and said he wouldn't talk on the forum anymore. He did say that he would respond to PM's. He's got a bit of a temper/attitude problem... that's it.

Btw why complicate with such a weird cycle? I mean srsly?? Nicotine lol This just sounds so unorthodox that it must work right? Right babe? What ever it takes...
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He's looking for people to send him money for advice.
I think 3 people may have.
As far as 30mg of caffeine .....it makes you SICK
This nicotine didn't even spark my interest at all.
 
Cgkone said:
My workout partner is on it. He gained 15lbs just on the first vial. But He says life is miserable except when he's in the gym.
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Sounds like a sh!tty drug then. I’d rather do a feel good anabolic and gain less than a super strong one that makes life miserable. I’d probably have a different opinion if I were a competitive bodybuilder or something.
 
Cgkone said:
My workout partner is on it. He gained 15lbs just on the first vial. But He says life is miserable except when he's in the gym.
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Luckily, it affects everyone different. Oral S-drol treated me good, in- and outside the gym.
 
Cgkone said:
But its still the nicotine right.
I mean the heroin addict is addictedd to the opiate. So if I smoke opiumit takes longer to get addicted than if I smoked heroin. But after a while on opium I'm addicted to opiates.
Or is nicotine different?
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Not sure. I do know there are things that act upon the dopamine receptors (indirectly) in tobacco, other than nicotine. However, that does not mean that it still is not nicotine. It's hard to say tbh. I do know that nicotine, solo, is not that addictive.
 
rtmilburn said:
Not sure. I do know there are things that act upon the dopamine receptors (indirectly) in tobacco, other than nicotine. However, that does not mean that it still is not nicotine. It's hard to say tbh. I do know that nicotine, solo, is not that addictive.
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It has alot to do with the method of administration. The quicker it reaches the reward centre in your brain (Inhaled or injected) the higher the potential for addiction.
 
rtmilburn said:
Not sure. I do know there are things that act upon the dopamine receptors (indirectly) in tobacco, other than nicotine. However, that does not mean that it still is not nicotine. It's hard to say tbh. I do know that nicotine, solo, is not that addictive.
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Nicotine is the main reason people are addicted to smoking
 
NoAddedHmones said:
It has alot to do with the method of administration. The quicker it reaches the reward centre in your brain (Inhaled or injected) the higher the potential for addiction.
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This reward system thing is a tricky ****er.
Cgkone Chados rtmilburn
Cigarette addiction goes far beyond the interactions of nicotine or any of the associated chemicals that can lead to their own type of dependency also.
I have got my ciggy addiction down to several psychological addictions on top of any of the physical addictions.

Habitual lifestyle, food/drinking/weed/entertainment all consumed with a cigarette increasing the enjoyment factor more than normal.
Social groups were different due to smoking, potentially changing outlook and general mood(up or down).
Hand habit, I didn't just hold the cigarette I played with it.
The flavor and texture of the inhale rush in the throat and the pressure on the back of the lips exhaling....these I miss the most, vaping dosen't work it's like inhaling a bong not a cigarette and vapor is different. I haven't yet tried the ionic-salts that have been made for vaping but I will one day just to see how close science can fake tobacco smoke.
Plus more.

The better you understand your addiction the easier it is to control.
Thats why I have no issue being an ex-smoker using a nicotine product, patch or gum won't give me my fix but it will give me something I know thats easier to control over a short period.
 
Newth said:
This reward system thing is a tricky ****er.
Cgkone Chados rtmilburn
Cigarette addiction goes far beyond the interactions of nicotine or any of the associated chemicals that can lead to their own type of dependency also.
I have got my ciggy addiction down to several psychological addictions on top of any of the physical addictions.

Habitual lifestyle, food/drinking/weed/entertainment all consumed with a cigarette increasing the enjoyment factor more than normal.
Social groups were different due to smoking, potentially changing outlook and general mood(up or down).
Hand habit, I didn't just hold the cigarette I played with it.
The flavor and texture of the inhale rush in the throat and the pressure on the back of the lips exhaling....these I miss the most, vaping dosen't work it's like inhaling a bong not a cigarette and vapor is different. I haven't yet tried the ionic-salts that have been made for vaping but I will one day just to see how close science can fake tobacco smoke.
Plus more.

The better you understand your addiction the easier it is to control.
Thats why I have no issue being an ex-smoker using a nicotine product, patch or gum won't give me my fix but it will give me something I know thats easier to control over a short period.
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You're absolutely right. I'm a believer you can also be addicted to anything that's not considered addictive. The level of addiction depends on the person and what you're taking.

Personally I don't think I get addicted easily but I do have a problem when it comes to stop something I've started. I was doing some construction last year and I didn't eat or had a break until I was done pretty much. I had some snus back in the days which was an addiction but something I could quit quite easily where some friends just can't and I think it's the determination that comes in to play.
 
Chados said:
Nicotine is the main reason people are addicted to smoking
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Yes but no. Without the other stuff it's not the same. You see it all the time where someone trying to quite smoking, who is on the highest dose patch and Vapes but is still having withdrawals. This is do to missing the other stuff. It's just not the same. Sure nicotine is the reason they are hooked. But it's moreso do to it being potentiated by other things.

I'm not saying nicotine is not addictive, it is, but is not like what you are thinking.
 
rtmilburn said:
Yes but no. Without the other stuff it's not the same. You see it all the time where someone trying to quite smoking, who is on the highest dose patch and Vapes but is still having withdrawals. This is do to missing the other stuff. It's just not the same. Sure nicotine is the reason they are hooked. But it's moreso do to it being potentiated by other things.

I'm not saying nicotine is not addictive, it is, but is not like what you are thinking.
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And what am I thinking? Cigarette smoke, just the smoke in general is probably a big part. Theres a ton of stuff in cigarettes that's addictive true but what you said was that nicotine wasn't very addictive and that's where I disagree. Vape is not close to being a cigarette and you say it's more nicotine but from what I've heard it's less if you don't chose to increase it. Anyways I totally agree vaping is not close to a cigarette
 
Chados said:
And what am I thinking? Cigarette smoke, just the smoke in general is probably a big part. Theres a ton of stuff in cigarettes that's addictive true but what you said was that nicotine wasn't very addictive and that's where I disagree. Vape is not close to being a cigarette and you say it's more nicotine but from what I've heard it's less if you don't chose to increase it. Anyways I totally agree vaping is not close to a cigarette
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I was thinking that you were thinking, that nicotine in the form of a patch or gum is highly addictive. Am I wrong about what you were thinking? As I don't believe it is, and many other feel the same.

However, we can agree to disagree.
 
rtmilburn said:
I was thinking that you were thinking, that nicotine in the form of a patch or gum is highly addictive. Am I wrong about what you were thinking? As I don't believe it is, and many other feel the same.

However, we can agree to disagree.
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Not patches Compared to cigarettes no but nicotine in general yes
 
Chados said:
Yes

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One of the links is to Business Insider.. I'm not going to read any of that and take it as proof. Lol

Chados said:
Not patches Compared to cigarettes no but nicotine in general yes
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Your responses don't make a lot of sense and it sounds like you've never touched either, so it doesn't surprise me that you talk about it the way you do.
 
rascal14 said:
One of the links is to Business Insider.. I'm not going to read any of that and take it as proof. Lol



Your responses don't make a lot of sense and it sounds like you've never touched either, so it doesn't surprise me that you talk about it the way you do.
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I have been addicted to nicotine and your response proves you have absolutely nothing to say about the subject except (no). I Google most addictive substances and that's what came up on top of google on every site. If you don't like business Insider why don't you reply about all other sites stating the same? Are you sitting on information nobody else does?

if I don't make enough sense why don't you make some sense and tell me some facts.. Oh wait
 
rascal14 said:
One of the links is to Business Insider.. I'm not going to read any of that and take it as proof. Lol



Your responses don't make a lot of sense and it sounds like you've never touched either, so it doesn't surprise me that you talk about it the way you do.
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Business Insider is one of my favourite sites for a social standpoint, lol.
 
Chados said:
I have been addicted to nicotine and your response proves you have absolutely nothing to say about the subject except (no). I Google most addictive substances and that's what came up on top of google on every site. If you don't like business Insider why don't you reply about all other sites stating the same? Are you sitting on information nobody else does?

if I don't make enough sense why don't you make some sense and tell me some facts.. Oh wait
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rascal14 said:
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Okay and what exactly am I supposed to learn from this? Everything is about cigarettes having more than one substance that's addictive. I already mentioned that. People started saying nicotine is barely addictive and you said that was true so I rather see you give me some information about nicotine not being addictive cause that's what you tried to correct me on
 
Nicotine is a mild stimulant. It’s the way people choose to use it that makes the addiction so much worse. People smoke cigarettes to cope with negative emotions, get out of awkward social situations, take a break from their workday, ease the anxiety of driving, relax after sex, the list goes on and on. Imagine if we drank coffee that way. We’d have very hardcore caffeine addictions that would be difficult to break. Everything in our lives would be a trigger for drinking coffee.
 
Chados said:
Okay and what exactly am I supposed to learn from this? Everything is about cigarettes having more than one substance that's addictive. I already mentioned that. People started saying nicotine is barely addictive and you said that was true so I rather see you give me some information about nicotine not being addictive cause that's what you tried to correct me on
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No one ever said it wasn't addictive. Everyone has stated it is likely no more addictive than caffeine. You are saying nicotine is the most addictive part of a cigarette, and that it is ridiculous to use as a supplement because it is so addictive.

Here are some random ass websites stating Caffeine is one of the most addictive substances in the world (along with marijuana). Are you going to now treat Caffeine the same as Nicotine?


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rascal14 said:
No one ever said it wasn't addictive. Everyone has stated it is likely no more addictive than caffeine. You are saying nicotine is the most addictive part of a cigarette, and that it is ridiculous to use as a supplement because it is so addictive.

Here are some random ass websites stating Caffeine is one of the most addictive substances in the world (along with marijuana). Are you going to now treat Caffeine the same as Nicotine?


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We all know Marijuana isn't addictive as cigarettes. Yes Nicotine it is highly addictive and people said it wasn't and that's false. There aren't just smokers taking tobacco and nicotine and comparing a patch to snus and cigarettes in terms of addiction is stupid. The skin is the largest organ and applying it through skin would never give you as much pleasure as digesting it, that's why you don't overdose on vitamin A with a lotion, it has nothing to do with nicotine not being addictive. Having used nicotine and tobacco I can assure you they are not close, I can pass on a cup of coffee but nicotine is all day every day and I don't think any normal person would disagree except these people on my strange addiction or whatever the show was called where a guy was In love with his car or the person dating the eiffel tower.

Bottom line a patch does literally nothing compared to anything you digest or smoke but addiction is possible due to the substance regardless
 
Chados said:
We all know Marijuana isn't addictive as cigarettes. Yes Nicotine it is highly addictive and people said it wasn't and that's false. There aren't just smokers taking tobacco and nicotine and comparing a patch to snus and cigarettes in terms of addiction is stupid. The skin is the largest organ and applying it through skin would never give you as much pleasure as digesting it, that's why you don't overdose on vitamin A with a lotion, it has nothing to do with nicotine not being addictive. Having used nicotine and tobacco I can assure you they are not close, I can pass on a cup of coffee but nicotine is all day every day and I don't think any normal person would disagree except these people on my strange addiction or whatever the show was called where a guy was In love with his car or the person dating the eiffel tower.

Bottom line a patch does literally nothing compared to anything you digest or smoke but addiction is possible due to the substance regardless
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Someone was dating the Eiffel Tower...that is so cool, lol.
 
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