If the DMZ wants carbs to grow I would finish before starting a cut!
I want some noodz brother!
I want some noodz brother!
Getting thick brother! Putting on some size since the last noodz I saw!Here are some noodz, taken this morning. I am not unhappy with the bulk, but also not exactly happy. At least I have 1 more week to go, maybe it will really take off these next several days.
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Here is the best I could do to get a back shot. You can also see my lower back fat in it.
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You can see my "turtle belly" in this picture *sigh*
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I really plan to knuckle down next week and pull back on the calories to bring my belly back into shape before we get too far into summer here.
Thanks. The pictures don't really do my progress justice, but do they ever? My wife even commented how I was thicker across the shoulders and back and also in my legs. My jeans still fit (barely) in the waist, but I almost can't get my legs in them. I make them look like skinny jeans right now (they are relaxed fit Kirkland brand). But that is all the result of a couple of cycles over the last 6+ months. Although I am not sure when I last posted any pictures, I mean outside of my neck surgery ones (which you can still see the scar in my first pict, but it is actually fading pretty fast)Getting thick brother! Putting on some size since the last noodz I saw!
I have been following along with your progress. You are a lot fiercer looking than I am, so your belly isn't that obvious like mine is. I think that you are in great shape! It is so frustrating to see the outline of my abs (even the side edges are visible in the picture), but still have my belly stick out so much. *sigh*.Join me and we will be known as the "Fellowship of the turtle belly".
Right now I'm working on it too, making slight improvements while intermittent fasting.
I think there was a site wide issue earlier today. I saw the Admins get called into one of the promo threads about picts not showing up. I think that it is fixed now (at least I can see picts in all threads now).Pics aren’t working for me
A lot of it looks like bloat from elevated e2, trust me. Unless you had blood labs, try 0.5 adex -or 12.5 exem and see how you look tomorrow.I have been following along with your progress. You are a lot fiercer looking than I am, so your belly isn't that obvious like mine is. I think that you are in great shape! It is so frustrating to see the outline of my abs (even the side edges are visible in the picture), but still have my belly stick out so much. *sigh*.
I still cant see pics eitherI think there was a site wide issue earlier today. I saw the Admins get called into one of the promo threads about picts not showing up. I think that it is fixed now (at least I can see picts in all threads now).
It is funny that you say that. I did just schedule labs for mid-next week, the day after my last DMZ dose. The tests include e2.A lot of it looks like bloat from elevated e2, trust me. Unless you had blood labs, try 0.5 adex -or 12.5 exem and see how you look tomorrow.
Weird. I wonder if it is something to do with the app?
If you never ran a nor19 before then make sure your support supps are in line. I did my due diligence, but couldn't anticipate the shortness of breathe that I experienced, But as with all things we (I) live and learn!Great log Sparkss, just getting caught up. I’m running a similar blast in 3 weeks. Dien/DMZ and some other goodies added also...
High praise from you Rocket! I appreciate the compliment, although I am less than happy with the pictures I posted (or more specifically how I look in them). But I wanted an accurate representation and those were as close as I could get, but I do feel that I look better than the pictures show, but such is life .Looking good my friend, keep up the good work!
Yes, I have necrofire on hand and am going to stack it with necrosis. For appetite, I have that phentermine prescription from my doctor. He was touting it's nootropic affects when he prescribed it for me, calling it "adderall-lite". I have seen an improvement in my alertness too. He only gave me a 2 month prescription for it, but I go back to see him in a couple of weeks and maybe he will extend it. I had to produce a recent EKG for him to prescribe it, which I had one on hand from my surgeries the end of last year. Not sure if he does refill, what tests he might require. But I love how much control it gives me over my appetite, that plus the alertness is a huge bonus.Will you be using that VL Necrofire? Stuff looked nice for $20/bottle.
Plain old 30mg Synephrine caps from SNS have been remarkably effective for me in controlling hunger on the occasional days I fast. Ephedrine with a baby aspirin on top will flat turn off my hunger if I need it. But caffeine doesn’t really do anything for appetite suppression for me.
I've been in that fellowship for longer than I can remember.Join me and we will be known as the "Fellowship of the turtle belly".
Right now I'm working on it too, making slight improvements while intermittent fasting.
if I take anything even "stim-adjacent" after 2 PM I am toast that night. Oddly enough I can drink a cup of coffee as last as 4 or 5 and still be ready for bed by 9 ~ 10 PM.I have a hard time controlling evening hunger, with out taking something that has bad effects on my sleep.
Same Here!if I take anything even "stim-adjacent" after 2 PM I am toast that night. Oddly enough I can drink a cup of coffee as last as 4 or 5 and still be ready for bed by 9 ~ 10 PM.
Me too. We share a lot of things. Like 19-nor + stim sensitivity.if I take anything even "stim-adjacent" after 2 PM I am toast that night. Oddly enough I can drink a cup of coffee as last as 4 or 5 and still be ready for bed by 9 ~ 10 PM.
Nice results!Day 38
Took the last dose of DMZ this morning. Won't be taking a 2nd dose this evening as it was literally the last dose (empty bottle now).
204.2 lbs
BF: around 17.1% (Omron handheld, so take that into account)
Waist: 35"
Midsection: 36.5" ~ 36.75"
Tomorrow morning I get labs done and also start my cut.
Still taking the ralox and still not 100% sure that the small lump behind my right nipple wasn't there before I started. Also a little over a week into Mast P + Mast E (going to drop the Prop after next week). I am hoping between this and my TRT dose it will be enough to prevent catabolism during my cut.
Overall I went up about 11 lbs and dropped 2% BF (I think the Omron's may have close to that for potential variance, but my upper body is leaner looking than when I started). But my waistline is up about 1". I am hoping that is mostly bloat and will go away over the next couple of days. I will continue the updates through the next week or so, at time permits.
I will add that I logged my starting weight at 193, which it was on day one. However I took a couple of days of phentermine when I first got the prescription and within 3 or 4 days it dropped me to 189. I am guessing that was mainly water weight or something else besides fat that the phentermine helped to eliminate. Then I started going back up in weight from there. Since I know that in those first 3 ~ 5 days the DMZ most likely wasn't doing anything (yet), one could almost consider the 189 as my starting weight, which would put the weight gain at 15 lbs. But I am used the day 1 weight as my starting weight. In the end all that matters to me is how I look in the mirror, the rest are just numbers on a screen. I included this detail for others who may be considering a similar run in the future, to provide them with as much information as I can. Cheers!
You will likely see more and leaner results if you are able to stick with the dien. As I had to ditch it early on I did not see as much lean progress as I had hoped (just regular bulking progress). Tag me into your thread when you start it up. I would love to follow along!Interestingly enough, I’m starting this exact cycle tomorrow. I’m re-reading your log today for pointers..
I’ll be running it like this:
Test E: 250/week
Dien: 400/week
DMZ 15/30/30/30
Glad to see it treated you well and I’d be thrilled with similar results!
Will do, bro. I’m psyched about the Dien especially. I sincerely hate trashing my liver, it gets tougher on me and my appetite since I’ve been doing this 10 years. but I’m thinking I can get away with 30mg for 5 weeks with DMZ. May have to just run Tudca on top of my NAC/MT. I can’t even go over 10mg on SD anymore, so I’m thinking I’ll get more from an average dose but for an extra week on dymethazine.You will likely see more and leaner results if you are able to stick with the dien. As I had to ditch it early on I did not see as much lean progress as I had hoped (just regular bulking progress). Tag me into your thread when you start it up. I would love to follow along!
I had my blood draw done this morning so hopefully by tomorrow, or early next week, I should be able to give you an idea of the impact this DMZ had on my health markers.Will do, bro. I’m psyched about the Dien especially. I sincerely hate trashing my liver, it gets tougher on me and my appetite since I’ve been doing this 10 years. but I’m thinking I can get away with 30mg for 5 weeks with DMZ. May have to just run Tudca on top of my NAC/MT. I can’t even go over 10mg on SD anymore, so I’m thinking I’ll get more from an average dose but for an extra week on dymethazine.
Thanks. Ironically I am psyched to start the cut, in contrast to my normal excitement over starting a bulk . I am really curious to see how much lean mass I end up with once I get my waistline back down again.Good Luck on the cut!
So HGP (@hairygrandpa) was spot on! I took an exem this evening and will likely take on EOD for a little while. My testosterone also came in high, at 1243. The thing to keep in mind is that I had the blood drawn on the day of my 2x/wk split dose TRT shot, before I did the shot that day. So the 1243 is the bottom end of my test levels. I knew that it was elevated since I was running a higher amount of test before, but I stopped that a couple of weeks ago with the last high dose shot being 4 weeks ago yesterday. Although I did read that cyp can take up to 44 days to "clear" the system, so another 2 weeks before it is completely out, but even with that being said my levels feel higher than I would have expected.A lot of it looks like bloat from elevated e2, trust me. Unless you had blood labs, try 0.5 adex -or 12.5 exem and see how you look tomorrow.
I always thought that our "traditional" AIs are not effective against methyl-estrogen? That they mainly just control regular estrogen and therefore leave more "room" for the methyl-e2, hence some people see results when using them against the m-e2. Or am I way out in left field on that one?It may also be because I’ve ran Trest something like 7 months out of the last 18 months, and that’s the only time I’ve needed strong AI+SERM on anything. I will throw everything at that methyl estrogen and it takes weeks to dial it in. Agreed on bloat though, I’ll notice water drop within 2 days of starting or upping AI usually.
That is what I'm thinking too. Trests conversion seems unaffected by AI's. We would need an expert on this like smurfy .I always thought that our "traditional" AIs are not effective against methyl-estrogen? That they mainly just control regular estrogen and therefore leave more "room" for the methyl-e2, hence some people see results when using them against the m-e2. Or am I way out in left field on that one?
Agreed fully. I can smash Letro all day on just 12-20mg/day Trest to no avail. The only thing that keeps it in check is Nolva or Ralox (I’m sure Torem and Clomid might suffice but breast tissue specific seems better to me) with Prami or Caber on hand as well. And I have needed them at times.. AI does little to nothing, except keep my low dose Test under control. I’m fairly certain if I were running Trest stand-alone, I wouldn’t even use an AI at all with a SERM and Prami on hand.I always thought that our "traditional" AIs are not effective against methyl-estrogen? That they mainly just control regular estrogen and therefore leave more "room" for the methyl-e2, hence some people see results when using them against the m-e2. Or am I way out in left field on that one?
Read it -but what is the conclusion? Trest + AI = No ? Trest + Serm = Yes?http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/283628-injectable-replacement-tren-10.html
Loads of good info in here from some really intelligent guys here on AM. I stayed up reading last night to learn just how much I DON’T know...
My guess is, that gyno from trest is progestin/prolactin related, the question arises, is a serm useful for prolactin/progesteron induced gyno?That’s kinda my takeaway plus AI has worked for very few of us as well.
Yes, next experiment will have higher dosage. at 15-30mg it probably wasn't enough to tap the receptors.Why were you taking such a baby dose of Ralox? You should be looking at 60, even 120mg for serious gyno control.
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