Anybody else stocking up on SARMS?

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flandersguy said:
This is actually a good point. They will have to come up with a definition that will catch everything, yes, probably also MK and GW, as well as future developments.
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You're likely right, but why call it the SARM Control Act of 2018 if it deals with a lot more than SARMS? Actually, it's probably just another case of politicians slipping/sneaking in unrelated things in bills.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
You're likely right, but why call it the SARM Control Act of 2018 if it deals with a lot more than SARMS? Actually, it's probably just another case of politicians slipping/sneaking in unrelated things in bills.
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I wonder how many of the politicians that will be casting their vote on the bill even know what a Sarm stands for before they read the bill?
 
mad_canada said:
I asked, what we results with those compared to sarms?

I'm thinking of stopping what I'm doing as well what songs are going to curl hormones but I don't know enough about them to do them safely yet.

I'm day 13 on rad 140 and don't know about the results yet. I feel like I should be getting bigger results but I'm also on maintenance calories trying to do a body recomposition so that might be affecting it
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What are you dosing rad at? It’s only been two weeks, give it time.
 
mad_canada said:
I asked, what we results with those compared to sarms?

I'm thinking of stopping what I'm doing as well what songs are going to curl hormones but I don't know enough about them to do them safely yet.

I'm day 13 on rad 140 and don't know about the results yet. I feel like I should be getting bigger results but I'm also on maintenance calories trying to do a body recomposition so that might be affecting it
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I only ran two cycles of andros and I made the mistake of doing so while trying to cut so my results weren’t very good, but many on here have had very good gains on it when running a bulk and there are many logs on here you can read. 1 andro has a legit study behind it too. As prohormones go they are on the weaker end, but they are relatively safe since they are not methylated. In my opinion 1 andro is better than any 1 Sarm by itself from a pure muscle building standpoint so probably only a matter of time before it gets banned too.
 
JoePaul39 said:
Funny! The ironic thing is he is probably one of the few who I would think might vote against the bill due to his libertarian leanings.
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Yeah. He's one of the few politicians I actually have some respect for haha. Honestly, I don't see this bill/topic really being too high on his radar though, as there are much more "pressing" issues he's faced with, but I can definitely see him at least thinking over this law before just agreeing to it like most politicians probably would because "steroids are bad, and anything that's like steroids are also bad."
 
mad_canada said:
10mg Ed. I want to up the dose to 15mg starting tomorrow
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If you’re concerned with the lack of results, that is considered a smaller dose that you’re running. I’m currently doing a rad and lgd cycle, started my rad immediately at 20mg daily. Might bump it to 30mg based of most logs I have seen. I would consider 20mg and go from there
 
Geoffr said:
If you’re concerned with the lack of results, that is considered a smaller dose that you’re running. I’m currently doing a rad and lgd cycle, started my rad immediately at 20mg daily. Might bump it to 30mg based of most logs I have seen. I would consider 20mg and go from there
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I'll take a look at 30mg, my training is spot on and diet is pretty great and I think I see more vascularity in my arms but yea, two weeks isn't enough either.
 
wow this sucks. although im already making the jump to anabolics, sarms were great, and i friggin LOVE cardarine...thats not technically a SARM, but it would probably go down with the rest, no?
will this affect SERMS or peptides? EA has nolva for a really good price, would hate to lose that deal. how about Cardarine/Sr9009/MK677/yk11?
 
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warriorscode8 said:
wow this sucks. although im already making the jump to anabolics, sarms were great, and i friggin LOVE cardarine...thats not technically a SARM, but it would probably go down with the rest, no?
will this affect SERMS or peptides? EA has nolva for a really good price, would hate to lose that deal. how about Cardarine/Sr9009/MK677/yk11?
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They are all illegal In many countries and banned in sports so I think it's possible. Problem is that everyone markets cardarine as a sarm and that will most likely make the people banning it thinking the same way. If we're lucky they separate cardarine from the others.
 
Chados said:
They are all illegal In many countries and banned in sports so I think it's possible. Problem is that everyone markets cardarine as a sarm and that will most likely make the people banning it thinking the same way. If we're lucky they separate cardarine from the others.
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And hopefully mk677 aka ibutamoren, gets left out too
 
mikeymike85 said:
Sarms have never given me any decent results I couldn't have gotten with diet/proper training. Wish PH's were still around and SARMs were the ones that got banned.
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I'm with you on that. I've been watching some online vids about a Russo kid who is big on sarms but looks like he has never lifted a weight in his life. Everyone I see on sarms look like they don't lift so how did it it take off I wonder? The PH's worked at least!
 
leosatriani said:
I'm with you on that. I've been watching some online vids about a Russo kid who is big on sarms but looks like he has never lifted a weight in his life. Everyone I see on sarms look like they don't lift so how did it it take off I wonder? The PH's worked at least!
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Do you even lift?
 
I'm a big Russo fan. Yes he isn't 250lbs with 5% body fat but he certainly lifts. If you wanna look like an ifbb pro it will take a hell of a lot more than running a test cycle.
 
Brenwad said:
I love magical thinking.

"Ostarine is as good as anavar on a mg per mg basis. The ostarine hate I read is ridiculous. Compare ostarine to a gram of test a week and yeah, it's wank. Compare to var and winstrol, different story. Plus, ostarine legit helped heal terribly damaged shoulders, knee,wrist. Pretty amazing for a legal to buy supplement with very few side effects."
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I believe you about magical thinking but mine is practical.
 
Chados said:
They are all illegal In many countries and banned in sports so I think it's possible. Problem is that everyone markets cardarine as a sarm and that will most likely make the people banning it thinking the same way. If we're lucky they separate cardarine from the others.
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Let's keep the only one with a slight possibility of giving you cancer legal!

Makes total sense to me
 
justhere4comm said:
Two weeks into it. Stacking Follidrone 2.o / Vector
I've used Follidrone 2.0 solo before.

  • Vivid Dreams
  • Better Sleep
  • More power output (Cut time on my ride to work)
  • Endurance
  • No DOMS
  • Muscle Fullness / Pump
  • Losing body fat / not muscle
  • Better mood
  • Some areas of muscle separation (Specifically on my calves / quads)
I'm not even in the gym yet, and that's from riding my bike.
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All of this in two weeks? Did you make any others changes or simply begin taking Vector?
 
mad_canada said:
Let's keep the only one with a slight possibility of giving you cancer legal!

Makes total sense to me
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That study is extremly stupid. It's like giving an insane amount of cardarine to a baby until he's 70.. cancer is a natural disease and can happen to anyone at any age.

The rat had a lifespan between 2-3 years and some got Cancer. . First it's rats and second they gave it for 2 years and third they dosed it like 300 times the amount.. does that sound logical to you?

If you're worried about cardarine you definitely shouldn't touch steroids
 
Sarms order received Friday: Neanderthal 2 x 120 caps, mk-677 x 90 caps (my favourite by far), and pct.

I’ve just ordered another 360 caps of ostarine, 180 mk-677, and 90 S4. That’s all I can afford this month, but next month I’ll keep on rolling. I’m going to keep buying whilst I can...
 
Chados said:
That study is extremly stupid. It's like giving an insane amount of cardarine to a baby until he's 70.. cancer is a natural disease and can happen to anyone at any age.

The rat had a lifespan between 2-3 years and some got Cancer. . First it's rats and second they gave it for 2 years and third they dosed it like 300 times the amount.. does that sound logical to you?

If you're worried about cardarine you definitely shouldn't touch steroids
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I know you think that, and so did I until I learned how to actually calculate the doses between rats and humans.

The dosing in humans would be ~40-50mg ed, and guys run it as high as 30mg.

I was all "these people are feeding so much to them humans would need so much more than people use!" too, but yea it's far less.

Cancer can happen at any age.

It can also he accelerated by chemicals.

As a society we've stopped using asbestos and lead based paints because why? Cancer can happen at any age, these things accelerate its development in some.

Anyhow, ppar agonists are very interesting and if they could be proven safe would change the world forever.
 
mad_canada said:
I know you think that, and so did I until I learned how to actually calculate the doses between rats and humans.

The dosing in humans would be ~40-50mg ed, and guys run it as high as 30mg.

I was all "these people are feeding so much to them humans would need so much more than people use!" too, but yea it's far less.

Cancer can happen at any age.

It can also he accelerated by chemicals.

As a society we've stopped using asbestos and lead based paints because why? Cancer can happen at any age, these things accelerate its development in some.

Anyhow, ppar agonists are very interesting and if they could be proven safe would change the world forever.
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People run it at 20mg not 30.. and that study is silly... at least steroids has been proven dangerous
 
flandersguy said:
Sarms order received Friday: Neanderthal 2 x 120 caps, mk-677 x 90 caps (my favourite by far), and pct.

I’ve just ordered another 360 caps of ostarine, 180 mk-677, and 90 S4. That’s all I can afford this month, but next month I’ll keep on rolling. I’m going to keep buying whilst I can...
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Would definetly prefer caps over chemicals, if you could please pm supplier.
 
Noticed from the short phase Bill mock-up that they haven't added MK677 which I find very peculiar. None-the-less I'll for sure be stocking up sure hope my source is legit, my normally skeptical hippo eyes thinks they're legit.

And idea how many moths till trump signs this bill? Which he will, cause he doesn't give a ****.
 
MidWestJack said:
Noticed from the short phase Bill mock-up that they haven't added MK677 which I find very peculiar. None-the-less I'll for sure be stocking up sure hope my source is legit, my normally skeptical hippo eyes thinks they're legit.

And idea how many moths till trump signs this bill? Which he will, cause he doesn't give a ****.
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There are already issues with the bill insofar that the wording leaves it open to anything that can be considered an anabolic agent, not just something that acts directly on the androgen sites or hormones.

It will likely be revised.

I wrote an article on this and I link to the place where you can track the bill

My site article (article on ways legal and not as of now)

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Link directly to where you can track this bill and see its progress

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My EU supplier is out of stock. This was my biggest fear: that supply would drop.

My UK source is still rolling. Big order on the way. Next order will be LGD and S4. I will soon be set until I’m 50.

Now I’ve just got to figure out the best way to store my stuff.
 
mad_canada said:
There are already issues with the bill insofar that the wording leaves it open to anything that can be considered an anabolic agent, not just something that acts directly on the androgen sites or hormones.

It will likely be revised.

I wrote an article on this and I link to the place where you can track the bill

My site article (article on ways legal and not as of now)

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Link directly to where you can track this bill and see its progress

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Would that wording also effectively ban andros?
 
mad_canada said:
I think that it could. Open the doors to lawsuits
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Are you sure about that? To me, the wording looks like it excludes dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) based products, which makes sense, as they're pretty much all that's left. It looks like dehydroepiandrosterone is mentioned twice in the text, where SARMS are chemically unrelated to dehydroepiandrosterone. Am I reading something wrong?
 
From the bill:

has been created or manufactured with the intent of producing a drug or other substance that—
(aa) promotes muscle growth; or
(bb) otherwise causes a pharmacological effect similar to that of testosterone; or

These guys want the power to label anything illegal. This government is out of control
 
user567 said:
From the bill:

has been created or manufactured with the intent of producing a drug or other substance that—
(aa) promotes muscle growth; or
(bb) otherwise causes a pharmacological effect similar to that of testosterone; or

These guys want the power to label anything illegal. This government is out of control
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I think the text directly above that section limits it somewhat (bold added for emphasis on my part):
(i) A drug or other substance (other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone, unless scheduled under subparagraph (B)) that is not listed in subparagraph (A)(ii) and is derived from, or has a chemical structure substantially similar to, 1 or more SARMs listed in subparagraph (A)(ii) shall be considered to be a SARM for purposes of this title if the drug or other substance—
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I get that this bill will take some things away, and can likely be expanded, but let's not say it can label "anything" illegal.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I think the text directly above that section limits it somewhat (bold added for emphasis on my part):

I get that this bill will take some things away, and can likely be expanded, but let's not say it can label "anything" illegal.
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Yew, it can label things illegal.
The DASCA law labeled specific prohormone structures as illegal, and so this will label the chemical compound of specif sarms illegal.

It also serves to address what sarms do so any drug like lgd 4033 (example, lgd 3033 or any new experimental "things") that act in the same manner will be just as illegal.
 
mad_canada said:
Yew, it can label things illegal.
The DASCA law labeled specific prohormone structures as illegal, and so this will label the chemical compound of specif sarms illegal.

It also serves to address what sarms do so any drug like lgd 4033 (example, lgd 3033 or any new experimental "things") that act in the same manner will be just as illegal.
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I don’t think you are understanding what I am saying. He seems to have claimed that this bill can label almost anything illegal, and quoted an incomplete (sub)section of the bill that is entirely meaninglessness without the context I provided you. This bill allows some freedom in what can be considered a SARM and therefore outlawed, but said substances still have to fit the definition of a SARM as outlined in the bill, which does have some exceptions as to what cannot be considered s SARM.

He pulled out a subsection of the bill that made it sound like they can ban anything that promotes muscle growth or has effects similar to testosterone, which would then be anything they want, but that’s not what the bill actually says, as the rest of the bill explains.

I’m not a fan of the bill, and I support a free and open market without overarching regulation, but let’s get the facts right.
 
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