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ax1
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And conveniently left out a single question as to the plausible scenario as to either a rebel group or other foreign force (such as Saudi or Israel) launched the attack as it would tremendously benefit them not to have the US pull out its involvement of Syria.
jimbuick
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It's in the linked report that you didn't read.
hairygrandpa
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Read it -and it seems to make actually sense. Now watch the video I posted from Syrian Girl, please.
hairygrandpa
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Does that matter? She better does, would be a shame seeing her hot azz gassed.
jimbuick
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Like, she has lived damn near her whole life in Australia. Her family moved there when she was a young child.
If your first criticism of the French report is it being bogus because they don't live in Syria, then it would be awfully hypocritical of you to hang your hat on a video of someone who has even less ability to get solid info (being in Australia and not having the same financial resources as France).
None of her opinions are based on her first-hand insider accounts (or anyone she interviewed) or data she was able to collect.
hairygrandpa
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None the less, her argument is sound. Both, the french and her account has to be validated. French intelligence, as any intelligence service uses also disinformation , its their job, do you agree?
I stand by my assertion that even IF gas was used, it does not merit a sudden attack, especially when it has the potential to cause an open conflict with Russia.
If you take both reports, that of the girl and the french, you see similarities. If Assad ordered gas attacks, it was to avoid bombing civilians used as human shields -and in order to get the rebels to surrender by leverage. If you followed the news, he won today, the rebels surrendered.
Is it a good idea to poison people to cause panic and win a war? No. Would burn them with white phosphor be better? No.
But the worst is to attack Syria with over 100 cruise missiles who have the potential of killing way more civilians AND pissing the Russians off.
jimbuick
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The French account was validated by the similar reports gathered by the U.S. and U.K.
Strategically firing upon military targets with GPS guided missiles has a much lower potential of killing civilians than dropping toxic chemicals on them.
Additionally, no one here (not me, anyway) has said that openly inflaming Russia is a good idea.
What I am saying though, is that we fired upon Syrian targets because of their violation of international law based upon sound evidence that Assad used those chemical weapons.
Whether that is sound policy or not is based more on ideology than anything else.
Where I have taken issue is with your proliferation of conspiracy theories that are based on not even a shred of evidence (that the attack never happened at all).
Finally, her video is not a "report." She is a blogger. It is a video that she gets paid to make (via ad views and donations from people who agree with her) where she shares her largely unsubstantiated opinions without any insider evidence.
hairygrandpa
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Looking back at the attack on Iraq, with the pretext to destroy their arsenal of chemical weapons, how can anyone NOT have doubts about the veracity of intelligence reports?
Could it be the tinfoil heads may be right sometimes?
Please google "internationally treaty violations by the US". You will be done by year 2020, I guess. How should we proceed with the US?
hairygrandpa
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I wouldn't repeat myself if you would have answered my questions.
If crossed on "yes". Why do you use their reports as evidence?
Please make a cross yes/no .
If crossed on "yes". Why do you use their reports as evidence?
jimbuick
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You are the only one of the two of us who has brought literally nothing to the table.
You have provided nothing to back up any of your claims, whilst continuously questioning mine and then ignoring my responses so that you can keep saying the same nonsense over and over again.
Because of that, I am done with this discussion. All it has done is waste my time talking in circles whilst you habitually refuse to support anything you say.
You have provided nothing to back up any of your claims, whilst continuously questioning mine and then ignoring my responses so that you can keep saying the same nonsense over and over again.
Because of that, I am done with this discussion. All it has done is waste my time talking in circles whilst you habitually refuse to support anything you say.
hairygrandpa
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No, I did not say it never happen, read again. How can I -or anyone be sure?
I tried to explain to you, that I can not proof a negative -neither can you. How do I proof something did NOT happen?
The one making the claim something did happen has to proof it by default. The evidence you provided is not sufficient, as:
1) Pictures/vids do not prove anything (not even the place -or time they were shot)
2) intelligence reports do not prove anything and could be quite the opposite (disinformation as part of intelligence services, remember?)
3) even if pictures could show a chemical attack, how the hell do you proof who did it? (with intelligence reports, right? damn, check mate)
The difference between us is, I do not believe blindly what a government (and/or their vassal states) tell me. I also explained why to you (Iraq).
If you were honest, you would at least admit that we can not know the truth with certainty.
My problem with your opinion is, you find it to be the correct way (missile attack) to deal with that situation.
We agree that we disagree, I guess.
-Over and out-
ax1
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Dont forget Iraq wasnt just about WMD's, they linked him to Al-queda even though Hussein hated them and kept them out of his country, and they even linked him to 9-11. There were a handful of lies um I meant "intelligence" to justify war all based on evidence.
We can go back on Gulf of Tonkin incident which launched the entire Vietnam war which cost the lives of 60,000 US Soldiers and some 2 million plus civilians and throw in some sprinkles of Agent Orange (Geneva anyone???) which until this day there are kids deformities in Vietnam all that and the Gulf of Tonkin staged by LBJ (officially declassified 2005)
Operation Gladio with NATO and the CIA anyone??? Little false flag terrorist incidents in Europe dont harm anyone, ROFL. I trust Pinocchio before I trust French intelligence.
Government intelligence exists, it is very accurate imo....they are intelligent to know how to rape and pillage our tax dollars to keep the military industrial complex war machine well fed and most people fall for it. They get people so worked up emotionally they beg for war.
PRS - Problem, Reaction, Solution = Profit
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DemntedCowboy
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You ain't gotta tell me. I fought in Iraq twice, and they gave us rules that would never be allowed in War. Like seeing an enemy with a weapon, but not allowed to engage unless fired on. Which started on my second tour there. We literally had to ask permission to fire on the enemy. And as far as Agent Orange. My wife has MS, and her father was exposed to Agent Orange. Coincidence, I think not
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Did you ever hear about how depleted uranium was used in missiles and fired in civilian areas in Iraq? Besides civilians getting sick including children playing around those areas, I remember about some troops not knowing and being around that stuff getting cancer and then given the old fashion screw job.
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ax1
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Did you hear that certain bases. Where accidentally given live Anthrax, during Anthrax shots. To include my base I was at, and it was suppose to be a 8 shot series. I got 13 shots of Anthrax, cause they lost my shot records
Damn...do you think they were running an experiment like the Tuskegee Study in a way? Sorry my tinfoil conspiracy mind kicking in lol
Glad you made through that, yikes!
DemntedCowboy
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These people in the government are the sickest filthiest humans on earth. Destroying Syria has been years in the making way before Obama. Time is ticking to Iran, tick, tock, tick tock.....will it be the war Dump started? Tick, tock, tick, tock....
General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years
Originally published in March 2007 General Wesley Clark: Because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, "Sir, you've got to come in and talk to me a second." I said, "Well, you're too busy." He said, "No, no." He says, "We've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq." This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, "We're going to war with Iraq? Why?" He said, "I don't know." He said, "I guess they don't know what else to do." So I said, "Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?" He said, "No, no." He says, "There's nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq." He said, "I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments." And he said, "I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail."
So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, "Are we still going to war with Iraq?" And he said, "Oh, it's worse than that." He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, "I just got this down from upstairs" -- meaning the Secretary of Defense's office -- "today." And he said, "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." I said, "Is it classified?" He said, "Yes, sir." I said, "Well, don't show it to me." And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, "You remember that?" He said, "Sir, I didn't show you that memo! I didn't show it to you!"
General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years
Originally published in March 2007 General Wesley Clark: Because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, "Sir, you've got to come in and talk to me a second." I said, "Well, you're too busy." He said, "No, no." He says, "We've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq." This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, "We're going to war with Iraq? Why?" He said, "I don't know." He said, "I guess they don't know what else to do." So I said, "Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?" He said, "No, no." He says, "There's nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq." He said, "I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments." And he said, "I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail."
So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, "Are we still going to war with Iraq?" And he said, "Oh, it's worse than that." He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, "I just got this down from upstairs" -- meaning the Secretary of Defense's office -- "today." And he said, "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." I said, "Is it classified?" He said, "Yes, sir." I said, "Well, don't show it to me." And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, "You remember that?" He said, "Sir, I didn't show you that memo! I didn't show it to you!"
Aleksandar37
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Everything is cool. Trump tweeted "Mission Accomplihed." Now where have I seen that before...
ax1
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I dunno about "Accomplihed" or what the hell that even means, but Ive heard something similar :numbered:
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Trump’s Disastrous Syria Attack
Written by Ron Paul
Monday April 16, 2018
Over the weekend, President Trump celebrated firing more than 100 missiles into Syria by Tweeting, “Mission Accomplished!” They say if you cannot learn from history you are condemned to repeat it. So I guess we are repeating it.
We all remember that “Mission Accomplished” was the banner behind then-President Bush as he gloated aboard a US navy ship that the war in Iraq had been won. After his “victory,” however, some 4,000 US military personnel were killed, perhaps a million Iraqis were killed, and the country’s infrastructure and social fabric were so badly destroyed that they probably can never be repaired.
Actually, there is much about the US attack on Syria that reminds us of Iraq.
With Iraq, the US moved in to start bombing before international inspectors had completed their mission to verify whether or not Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Had they been allowed to complete their mission and verify that he did not, imagine the suffering, death, and destruction that could have been avoided. In Syria, the US decided to start bombing before the international inspectors were even allowed to start checking claims that Assad gassed his own people in Douma. Why? What was the rush? Was Washington afraid they might not find Assad guilty?
Who really benefits from US attacks on the Syrian government? There were reports that ISIS began making moves immediately after the air strikes. Do we really want to be al-Qaeda and ISIS’s airforce? Is that going to keep us safer? I remember when al-Qaeda was actually considered our enemy, not an ally in overthrowing the last secular government in the Middle East.
Will Syria’s Christians be better off after the recent US attack? Just over a week ago Christians celebrated Easter in Aleppo for the first time in years. What changed? The Syrian army kicked out al-Qaeda, which had been occupying the eastern part of the city. So no, Christians will be much worse off if our “moderate terrorists” take control of Syria.
If Syria really had sarin and other chemical weapons factories, does it make sense for the US to bomb the buildings and risk killing thousands by widely disbursing the poisons? Does it make sense to risk killing Syrian civilians with chemical weapons in retaliation for allegations that the Syrian government killed civilians with chemical weapons? No, it seems more like the phony “mobile WMD labs” we were told that Saddam Hussein had constructed.
If the US knew Syria was manufacturing chemical weapons in the buildings they bombed, why not notify the Organization for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW)? The OPCW had certified the very building the US bombed as chemical weapons free not that long ago. Why not just call them up and ask them to check it out? After all, they were just arriving in the country as the US started bombing.
There are many more questions about President Trump’s terrible decision to again make war on Syria. For example, where is Congress? It was disgraceful to see Speaker Paul Ryan telling the President he needs no Congressional authorization to attack Syria. All Members of Congress take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and the Constitution says that only Congress can declare war. Does that oath mean nothing these days?
President Trump will come to regret the day he let the neocons take over his foreign policy. Their track record is abysmal. His attack on Syria was clearly illegal and should his party lose the House in November he may find his new fair-weather friends in the Democratic Party quickly turning foul.
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Written by Ron Paul
Monday April 16, 2018
Over the weekend, President Trump celebrated firing more than 100 missiles into Syria by Tweeting, “Mission Accomplished!” They say if you cannot learn from history you are condemned to repeat it. So I guess we are repeating it.
We all remember that “Mission Accomplished” was the banner behind then-President Bush as he gloated aboard a US navy ship that the war in Iraq had been won. After his “victory,” however, some 4,000 US military personnel were killed, perhaps a million Iraqis were killed, and the country’s infrastructure and social fabric were so badly destroyed that they probably can never be repaired.
Actually, there is much about the US attack on Syria that reminds us of Iraq.
With Iraq, the US moved in to start bombing before international inspectors had completed their mission to verify whether or not Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Had they been allowed to complete their mission and verify that he did not, imagine the suffering, death, and destruction that could have been avoided. In Syria, the US decided to start bombing before the international inspectors were even allowed to start checking claims that Assad gassed his own people in Douma. Why? What was the rush? Was Washington afraid they might not find Assad guilty?
Who really benefits from US attacks on the Syrian government? There were reports that ISIS began making moves immediately after the air strikes. Do we really want to be al-Qaeda and ISIS’s airforce? Is that going to keep us safer? I remember when al-Qaeda was actually considered our enemy, not an ally in overthrowing the last secular government in the Middle East.
Will Syria’s Christians be better off after the recent US attack? Just over a week ago Christians celebrated Easter in Aleppo for the first time in years. What changed? The Syrian army kicked out al-Qaeda, which had been occupying the eastern part of the city. So no, Christians will be much worse off if our “moderate terrorists” take control of Syria.
If Syria really had sarin and other chemical weapons factories, does it make sense for the US to bomb the buildings and risk killing thousands by widely disbursing the poisons? Does it make sense to risk killing Syrian civilians with chemical weapons in retaliation for allegations that the Syrian government killed civilians with chemical weapons? No, it seems more like the phony “mobile WMD labs” we were told that Saddam Hussein had constructed.
If the US knew Syria was manufacturing chemical weapons in the buildings they bombed, why not notify the Organization for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW)? The OPCW had certified the very building the US bombed as chemical weapons free not that long ago. Why not just call them up and ask them to check it out? After all, they were just arriving in the country as the US started bombing.
There are many more questions about President Trump’s terrible decision to again make war on Syria. For example, where is Congress? It was disgraceful to see Speaker Paul Ryan telling the President he needs no Congressional authorization to attack Syria. All Members of Congress take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and the Constitution says that only Congress can declare war. Does that oath mean nothing these days?
President Trump will come to regret the day he let the neocons take over his foreign policy. Their track record is abysmal. His attack on Syria was clearly illegal and should his party lose the House in November he may find his new fair-weather friends in the Democratic Party quickly turning foul.
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Cgkone
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Funny looking back at how wrong people were.
I'm happy that I voted for him
hairygrandpa
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[video=youtube;lSXwG-901yU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSXwG-901yU[/video]
Aleksandar37
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lol
ax1
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My vote for biggest non-story of the year goes to this "secret client" being Sean Hannity, ROFFFLLLLL!!!!!
I mean seriously, they are trying reeeaaalllyyyy hard to create something out of nothing here...I can easily imagine Wolf Blitz-on-us or Rachael Undershaddow Maddow being this secret client we probably wouldn't hear about it.
On another note, Dump is simply now a victim of his own big government policies being that he supported unconstitutional Federal Agencies such as the FBI in the first place. He could have took the steps to defend the US Constitution and dissolve the department being that they (besides federal police not being authorized in the Constitution in the first place) clearly were compromised by the shadow government and the "7th floor" (as seen in the FBI's own documents during the Hitlery investigation,) but noooo.....he is just like almost every other single Demican and Repubublicrat propping up the same illegal centralized monster government system.
I mean seriously, they are trying reeeaaalllyyyy hard to create something out of nothing here...I can easily imagine Wolf Blitz-on-us or Rachael Undershaddow Maddow being this secret client we probably wouldn't hear about it.
On another note, Dump is simply now a victim of his own big government policies being that he supported unconstitutional Federal Agencies such as the FBI in the first place. He could have took the steps to defend the US Constitution and dissolve the department being that they (besides federal police not being authorized in the Constitution in the first place) clearly were compromised by the shadow government and the "7th floor" (as seen in the FBI's own documents during the Hitlery investigation,) but noooo.....he is just like almost every other single Demican and Repubublicrat propping up the same illegal centralized monster government system.
Aleksandar37
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CNN and Fox are the same thing and focus more on trying to embarrass each other than actually reporting the news. Rich white guys use lawyers. In other breaking news, fire is hot.
The oddest thing about the story to me is that Hannity claims he never paid any sort of legal fee. I know a lot of lawyers and none give their time away for free.
Aleksandar37
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ax1
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The real story is how many millions of tax dollars are going to be raped from us on investigations and court hearings over hookers and lust. Really sad.
Aleksandar37
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Indeed. Clinton could have saved us all time and money if he just admitted it from the start and now Trump has his opportunity to do the same. It's the same **** over and over. People are just good at lying to themselves and making excuses why it's alright for their person to do it or get away with it.
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Today is the 25th anniversary of Waco Texas, the day the US Government and its unconstitutional Federal Agents used chemical weapons (deadly combination of CS gas and methyl chloride especially when used indoors) on its own citizens including children.
It is not an atrocity if the U.S. government does it.
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Regarding the methylene chloride that the FBI inserted into the compound, former ATF fire expert Rick Sherrow testified, “The Dow Chemical Corporation Materials Safety Data Sheet specifically states that this chemical forms flammable vapor air mixturesand in confined or poorly ventilated areas, vapors can readily accumulate and cause unconsciousness and death.”‘
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It is not an atrocity if the U.S. government does it.
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Regarding the methylene chloride that the FBI inserted into the compound, former ATF fire expert Rick Sherrow testified, “The Dow Chemical Corporation Materials Safety Data Sheet specifically states that this chemical forms flammable vapor air mixturesand in confined or poorly ventilated areas, vapors can readily accumulate and cause unconsciousness and death.”‘
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Aleksandar37
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damn, now I'm in the mood for bbq
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Former U.S. Murderer in Chief Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama published a piece in TIME on Thursday praising the work of the Parkland student activists, saying they are helping change the minds of Americans.
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In America, home of the Nobel Peace of Krap Prize winner "Im good at killing people" Murderer in Chief Obama:
Gun Violence = Bad
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Missile Violence = Good
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In America, home of the Nobel Peace of Krap Prize winner "Im good at killing people" Murderer in Chief Obama:
Gun Violence = Bad
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In America, home of the Nobel Peace of Krap Prize winner "Im good at killing people" Murderer in Chief Obama:
Gun Violence = Bad
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In America, home of the Nobel Peace of Krap Prize winner "Im good at killing people" Murderer in Chief Obama:
Gun Violence = Bad
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Aleksandar37
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Well turns out it was "real estate" related lmao.
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What Will Weapons Inspectors Find in Syria…And Does it Matter?
Written by Ron Paul
Monday April 23, 2018
Inspectors from the Organization for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) have finally arrived in Douma, Syria, to assess whether a gas attack took place earlier this month. It has taken a week for the inspectors to begin their work, as charges were thrown back and forth about who was causing the delay.
Proponents of the US and UK position that Assad used gas in Douma have argued that the Syrian and Russian governments are preventing the OPCW inspectors from doing their work. That, they claim, is all the evidence needed to demonstrate that Assad and Putin have something to hide. But it seems strange that if Syria and Russia wanted to prevent an OPCW inspection of the alleged sites they would have been the ones to request the inspection in the first place.
The dispute was solved just days ago, as the OPCW Director-General released a statement explaining that the delay was due to UN security office concerns for the safety of the inspectors.
We are told that even after the OPCW inspectors collect samples from the alleged attack sites, it will take weeks to determine whether there was any gas or other chemicals released. That means there is very little chance President Trump had “slam dunk” evidence that Assad used gas in Douma earlier this month when he decided to launch a military attack on Syria. To date, the US has presented no evidence of who was responsible or even whether an attack took place at all. Even right up to the US missile strike, Defense Secretary Mattis said he was still looking for evidence.
In a Tweet just days ago, Rep. Thomas Massie expressed frustration that in a briefing to Congress last week the Director of National Intelligence, the Secretary of State, and the Secretary of Defense “provided zero real evidence” that Assad carried out the attack. Either they have it and won’t share it with Congress, he wrote, or they have nothing. Either way, he added, it’s not good.
We should share Rep. Massie's concerns.
US and French authorities have suggested that videos shared on the Internet by the US-funded White Helmets organization were sufficient proof of the attack. If social media postings are these days considered definitive intelligence, why are we still spending $100 billion a year on our massive intelligence community? Maybe it would be cheaper to just hire a few teenagers to scour YouTube?
Even if Assad had gassed his people earlier this month there still would have been no legal justification for the US to fire 100 or so missiles into the country. Of course such a deed would deserve condemnation from all civilized people, but Washington’s outrage is very selective and often politically motivated. Where is the outrage over Saudi Arabia’s horrific three-year war against Yemen? Those horrors are ignored because Saudi Arabia is considered an ally and thus above reproach.
We are not the policemen of the world. Bad leaders do bad things to their people all the time. That’s true even in the US, where our own government steadily chips away at our Constitution by setting up a surveillance state.
We have neither the money nor the authority to launch bombs when we suspect someone has done something wrong overseas. A hasty decision to use force is foolish and dangerous. As Western journalists reporting from Douma are raising big questions about the official US story of the so-called gas attack, Trump’s inclination to shoot first and ask questions later may prove to be his downfall.
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Written by Ron Paul
Monday April 23, 2018
Inspectors from the Organization for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) have finally arrived in Douma, Syria, to assess whether a gas attack took place earlier this month. It has taken a week for the inspectors to begin their work, as charges were thrown back and forth about who was causing the delay.
Proponents of the US and UK position that Assad used gas in Douma have argued that the Syrian and Russian governments are preventing the OPCW inspectors from doing their work. That, they claim, is all the evidence needed to demonstrate that Assad and Putin have something to hide. But it seems strange that if Syria and Russia wanted to prevent an OPCW inspection of the alleged sites they would have been the ones to request the inspection in the first place.
The dispute was solved just days ago, as the OPCW Director-General released a statement explaining that the delay was due to UN security office concerns for the safety of the inspectors.
We are told that even after the OPCW inspectors collect samples from the alleged attack sites, it will take weeks to determine whether there was any gas or other chemicals released. That means there is very little chance President Trump had “slam dunk” evidence that Assad used gas in Douma earlier this month when he decided to launch a military attack on Syria. To date, the US has presented no evidence of who was responsible or even whether an attack took place at all. Even right up to the US missile strike, Defense Secretary Mattis said he was still looking for evidence.
In a Tweet just days ago, Rep. Thomas Massie expressed frustration that in a briefing to Congress last week the Director of National Intelligence, the Secretary of State, and the Secretary of Defense “provided zero real evidence” that Assad carried out the attack. Either they have it and won’t share it with Congress, he wrote, or they have nothing. Either way, he added, it’s not good.
We should share Rep. Massie's concerns.
US and French authorities have suggested that videos shared on the Internet by the US-funded White Helmets organization were sufficient proof of the attack. If social media postings are these days considered definitive intelligence, why are we still spending $100 billion a year on our massive intelligence community? Maybe it would be cheaper to just hire a few teenagers to scour YouTube?
Even if Assad had gassed his people earlier this month there still would have been no legal justification for the US to fire 100 or so missiles into the country. Of course such a deed would deserve condemnation from all civilized people, but Washington’s outrage is very selective and often politically motivated. Where is the outrage over Saudi Arabia’s horrific three-year war against Yemen? Those horrors are ignored because Saudi Arabia is considered an ally and thus above reproach.
We are not the policemen of the world. Bad leaders do bad things to their people all the time. That’s true even in the US, where our own government steadily chips away at our Constitution by setting up a surveillance state.
We have neither the money nor the authority to launch bombs when we suspect someone has done something wrong overseas. A hasty decision to use force is foolish and dangerous. As Western journalists reporting from Douma are raising big questions about the official US story of the so-called gas attack, Trump’s inclination to shoot first and ask questions later may prove to be his downfall.
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Cgkone
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I wonder why people are saying that Assad gassing his own people? Isnt it gassing Rebels that are trying to overthrow him?What Will Weapons Inspectors Find in Syria…And Does it Matter?
Written by Ron Paul
Monday April 23, 2018
Inspectors from the Organization for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) have finally arrived in Douma, Syria, to assess whether a gas attack took place earlier this month. It has taken a week for the inspectors to begin their work, as charges were thrown back and forth about who was causing the delay.
Proponents of the US and UK position that Assad used gas in Douma have argued that the Syrian and Russian governments are preventing the OPCW inspectors from doing their work. That, they claim, is all the evidence needed to demonstrate that Assad and Putin have something to hide. But it seems strange that if Syria and Russia wanted to prevent an OPCW inspection of the alleged sites they would have been the ones to request the inspection in the first place.
The dispute was solved just days ago, as the OPCW Director-General released a statement explaining that the delay was due to UN security office concerns for the safety of the inspectors.
We are told that even after the OPCW inspectors collect samples from the alleged attack sites, it will take weeks to determine whether there was any gas or other chemicals released. That means there is very little chance President Trump had “slam dunk” evidence that Assad used gas in Douma earlier this month when he decided to launch a military attack on Syria. To date, the US has presented no evidence of who was responsible or even whether an attack took place at all. Even right up to the US missile strike, Defense Secretary Mattis said he was still looking for evidence.
In a Tweet just days ago, Rep. Thomas Massie expressed frustration that in a briefing to Congress last week the Director of National Intelligence, the Secretary of State, and the Secretary of Defense “provided zero real evidence” that Assad carried out the attack. Either they have it and won’t share it with Congress, he wrote, or they have nothing. Either way, he added, it’s not good.
We should share Rep. Massie's concerns.
US and French authorities have suggested that videos shared on the Internet by the US-funded White Helmets organization were sufficient proof of the attack. If social media postings are these days considered definitive intelligence, why are we still spending $100 billion a year on our massive intelligence community? Maybe it would be cheaper to just hire a few teenagers to scour YouTube?
Even if Assad had gassed his people earlier this month there still would have been no legal justification for the US to fire 100 or so missiles into the country. Of course such a deed would deserve condemnation from all civilized people, but Washington’s outrage is very selective and often politically motivated. Where is the outrage over Saudi Arabia’s horrific three-year war against Yemen? Those horrors are ignored because Saudi Arabia is considered an ally and thus above reproach.
We are not the policemen of the world. Bad leaders do bad things to their people all the time. That’s true even in the US, where our own government steadily chips away at our Constitution by setting up a surveillance state.
We have neither the money nor the authority to launch bombs when we suspect someone has done something wrong overseas. A hasty decision to use force is foolish and dangerous. As Western journalists reporting from Douma are raising big questions about the official US story of the so-called gas attack, Trump’s inclination to shoot first and ask questions later may prove to be his downfall.
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Cgkone
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So you're saying that it wasn't? Because it's all going to come out eventually and Hannity sticking to his story I believe.
ax1
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Or isnt it the Rebels using guerilla warfare tactics by gassing Syrians because for the second time Dump wanted to pull out of Syria? Who are these "moderate" rebels causing bloodshed destroying Syria? Or is it the Military Industrial Complex doing it (or making it up like the Gulf of Tonkin to launch the Vietnam war) to satisfy their shareholders by continuing/expanding these endless wars?
There was no strategic advantage for Ass-ad to gas people at that particular time, I call it 100% impossible. He had been winning the civil war, Dump wanted to pull out and he is going to gas people at that point? ROFFFFLLLL!!!!
Cgkone
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Yeah and I'm not sure that it wasn't that too. I know anytime Democrats agree with what Donald Trump is doing I get a little nervous and so far the only thing they've agreed with was shooting them Rockets into Syria. When Tucker Carlson ask that exact same question you just asked he was basically called a commie and a and a conspiracy theorist. So we're not even really allowed to ask that question I guess
ax1
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The issue with using chemical weapons is that it effects the civilians I believe. Of course, calling the rebels "the Syrian Governments people" is just utter propaganda. The truth is these "rebels" are that countries domestic terrorists. They are supposed to be poisoned, tortured and killed.
Just remember, when it comes to US (un-Constutitional) policy chemicals are bad, missiles are good, chemicals are bad, compassion drones and love bombs are good, chemicals are bad, clusterbombing an entire city slaughtering civilians with high tech explosives are good.
This is a wonderful exemplary image of how US Policy is liberating people in Aleppo and the rest of Syria, no chemicals here, just high tech pure meaty bombs and missiles, all is good, its just wonderfulllll!!!!!
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Aleksandar37
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He made it sound like he just needed some free advice while buying a condo, but it's looking like Mr. anti-elitist actually owns hundreds of homes and even used HUD money (that started during Obama years) to do so. I'm still waiting for all the info to come out, but so far the hypocrisy is amusing. Currently he wants to deny that he knew where his money was going, but also wants credit for helping communities that need the help.
Cgkone
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and you read that where?
because i could throw fox news quote sall day at you that say hanity walks on water