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First PH stack, what to expect

B4Hand

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I'm 35 years old and have been training for about 10 years. I've been as heavy as 200 lbs but have recently dropped some weight (and strength) with diet and exercise. I have been doing the Anabolic Diet protocol with only 1 carb up day/week for the last month or so.
I've always considered using a PH but never could pull the trigger. I've just purchased some 1-AD and Anavar along with silymarin 300 mg. I plan to start out with half doses the first 3 days, then go full dose. One week prior to the end of my cycle I'll start a PCT, but I haven't chosen one yet.
1) What should I look for in a good PCT?
2) What can I expect from this stack as far as weight and gains, side effects, etc.?
3) Any other suggestions?
 
Also, should I change up my diet to introduce more carbs and calories? I'm undoubtedly below maintenance, because I'm averaging about a 1 lb weight loss each week. I just don't want to go crazy and gain a lot of fat on this cycle.
 
I wouldn't increase carbs and calories too much. As far as pct i would use nolva or clomid in your pct set up. Maybe through in an otc pct product as well as a natty test booster.
 
I would agree to have OCT and PCT in advance. This way your covered.
 
Drop the milk thistle. Like others said, get some real on cycle support. I'm pretty sure that milk thistle has been proven to do nothing.
mw1 why do you recommend nolva at double the normal dose? The norm is 20/20/10/10.

I like clomid for pct at 50/50/25/25. It's better at restarting the hpta and I don't get any sides.

Did you purchase real 1-AD and Anavar or HiTech?

What's your dosing plan for both?

You should probably run a test base also.
 
elo76 said:
Drop the milk thistle. Like others said, get some real on cycle support. I'm pretty sure that milk thistle has been proven to do nothing.
mw1 why do you recommend nolva at double the normal dose? The norm is 20/20/10/10.

I like clomid for pct at 50/50/25/25. It's better at restarting the hpta and I don't get any sides.

Did you purchase real 1-AD and Anavar or HiTech?

What's your dosing plan for both?

You should probably run a test base also.
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It was the Hi-Tech formula, hence the weak OCT.
 
B4Hand said:
It was the Hi-Tech formula, hence the weak OCT.
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Well...you don't have real 1AD and Anavar then.


What is your dosing plan? Looks like you need 5 pills a day to get anything out of the "1AD" which is 1 Andro. Seems really under dosed.

How long do you plan on running them?
 
Real cycle support (with Tudca would be preferable)
For PCT - Nolva or Clomid plus an OTC PCT (I recommend Black Lion Research Rebirth).
Good luck!
 
I went ahead and purchased the CEL Cycle Assist and got a free bottle of Muscle Addiction Eradicate-E. I'll run the cycle support in addition to the recommended dose of both Hi-Tech 1AD and Hi-Tech Anavar. I have a 30 day supply of both, so as of now I'll go with this schedule.
 
B4Hand said:
I went ahead and purchased the CEL Cycle Assist and got a free bottle of Muscle Addiction Eradicate-E. I'll run the cycle support in addition to the recommended dose of both Hi-Tech 1AD and Hi-Tech Anavar. I have a 30 day supply of both, so as of now I'll go with this schedule.
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The recommended dose on the bottle is less than half of what you need. I would get more 1-andro and run it above 330 for 8 weeks. Andros don't kick in until week 4-5. Not worth it to run it otherwise.

What's your pct?

Did you look into a test base? 1-andro can shut you down, cause lethargy and generally make you feel like poo if you don't use one.

What's all concocted in the Hi-Tech Anavar?
 
elo76 said:
The recommended dose on the bottle is less than half of what you need. I would get more 1-andro and run it above 330 for 8 weeks. Andros don't kick in until week 4-5. Not worth it to run it otherwise.

What's your pct?

Did you look into a test base? 1-andro can shut you down, cause lethargy and generally make you feel like poo if you don't use one.

What's all concocted in the Hi-Tech Anavar?
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I'm looking into Viron, Rebirth, and Letrone. Not quite sure about the best timing on these, though. As for Hi-Tech's Anavar, there's a boatload of ingredients:
Proprietary Blend With Extend-Rx Technology: 1900mg*
S-(2 Boronethyl) L-Cysteine HCL, 2-(S)-Amino-6-Boronohexanoic Acid, Creatine Ethyl Ester, Creatine Monohydrate, L-Arginine HCL, Inosine Ethyl Ester, Adenosine Triphosphate, 25R Spirosten-5A-Diol-6-One-3-One, Dehydroepiandrosterone Acetate, Dehydroepiandrosterone Cypionate, Dehydroepiandrosterone Propionate, Dehydroepiandrosterone Enanthate, Smilagenin, Hecogenin Acetate, 6-Keto-Diosgenin Cypionate, 6-Keto-Diosgenin Propionate, 6-Keto Diosgenin Acetate 20-HydroxyEcdysone Deconate, Naringen, 6,7 Dihydroxy Bergamottin, Quebracho Blanco HCL.*
 
B4Hand said:
I'm looking into Viron, Rebirth, and Letrone. Not quite sure about the best timing on these, though. As for Hi-Tech's Anavar, there's a boatload of ingredients:
Proprietary Blend With Extend-Rx Technology: 1900mg*
S-(2 Boronethyl) L-Cysteine HCL, 2-(S)-Amino-6-Boronohexanoic Acid, Creatine Ethyl Ester, Creatine Monohydrate, L-Arginine HCL, Inosine Ethyl Ester, Adenosine Triphosphate, 25R Spirosten-5A-Diol-6-One-3-One, Dehydroepiandrosterone Acetate, Dehydroepiandrosterone Cypionate, Dehydroepiandrosterone Propionate, Dehydroepiandrosterone Enanthate, Smilagenin, Hecogenin Acetate, 6-Keto-Diosgenin Cypionate, 6-Keto-Diosgenin Propionate, 6-Keto Diosgenin Acetate 20-HydroxyEcdysone Deconate, Naringen, 6,7 Dihydroxy Bergamottin, Quebracho Blanco HCL.*
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You need an actual serm....clomid or nolva.
 
B4Hand said:
I'm looking into Viron, Rebirth, and Letrone. Not quite sure about the best timing on these, though. As for Hi-Tech's Anavar, there's a boatload of ingredients:
Proprietary Blend With Extend-Rx Technology: 1900mg*
S-(2 Boronethyl) L-Cysteine HCL, 2-(S)-Amino-6-Boronohexanoic Acid, Creatine Ethyl Ester, Creatine Monohydrate, L-Arginine HCL, Inosine Ethyl Ester, Adenosine Triphosphate, 25R Spirosten-5A-Diol-6-One-3-One, Dehydroepiandrosterone Acetate, Dehydroepiandrosterone Cypionate, Dehydroepiandrosterone Propionate, Dehydroepiandrosterone Enanthate, Smilagenin, Hecogenin Acetate, 6-Keto-Diosgenin Cypionate, 6-Keto-Diosgenin Propionate, 6-Keto Diosgenin Acetate 20-HydroxyEcdysone Deconate, Naringen, 6,7 Dihydroxy Bergamottin, Quebracho Blanco HCL.*
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Regarding the BLR products you've mentioned.
A few key points on each.

VIRON

Testosterone is the primary male hormone. Strength, muscle mass, libido, confidence all come from testosterone. Viron is the key to Natural muscle building, and all things male. Great for stand alone use, Stacked with any of our products or as part of a PCT stack.


REBIRTH
  • Blocks estrogen
  • Increases testosterone
  • Antioxidant
Uses: Post cycle or on cycle therapy or stacked in muscle building stacks.


LETRONE
  • A natural anabolic and aromatase inhibitor.
  • Decreased estrogen
  • Increased Testosterone
  • Increased HGH
  • Increased IGF-1
  • Increased T3 and T4 =increased metabolism.
Combined these effects make Letrone one of the best choices for those looking to reduce estrogen and raise anabolic hormones.
Works great alone or stacked with our other products.
 
B4Hand said:
Clomid? Even when taking the lower dose recommended on the Hi-Tech bottles?
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No serm no cycle man. Better safe than sorry. You're not sure how your body will react. Even being under dosed.

I'm guessing you figured this out by my other posts, but your dosing way too low. The cycle is way too short. IMO it's a waste.

Also...I asked about a test base and you listed Viron, Rebirth and Letrone. None of which can be used as a test base.

As far as a Rebirth. People have ran it in place of a serm for 8 weeks and recovered fine, but I'm not risking anything at my age. You, being 35, should be thinking the same way. I've ran it with a clomid and do believe it helped me recover quickly from my last dmz run.

Do you have a pharma AI on hand just in case? That is strongly recommended in case any estro sides arise. Don't wait till it happens, because it's too late then.

Just trying to help you get everything you need since this is your first. You have no clue how your body will take any of this yet. Just need to be prepared.
 
B4Hand said:
I'm 35 years old and have been training for about 10 years. I've been as heavy as 200 lbs but have recently dropped some weight (and strength) with diet and exercise. I have been doing the Anabolic Diet protocol with only 1 carb up day/week for the last month or so.
I've always considered using a PH but never could pull the trigger. I've just purchased some 1-AD and Anavar along with silymarin 300 mg. I plan to start out with half doses the first 3 days, then go full dose. One week prior to the end of my cycle I'll start a PCT, but I haven't chosen one yet.
1) What should I look for in a good PCT?
2) What can I expect from this stack as far as weight and gains, side effects, etc.?
3) Any other suggestions?
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Before I get to your questions, I have some questions for you.

1. Is there any reason why you are following a keto based diet? This may not be the best route when on an anabolic. Your body will not need as much fat since you are using hormones.

2. Have you done any research, it seems like you have not done enough. PCT should not start a week before the cycle ends. The whole point of PCT is to get your body going again, producing its own hormones. Using the PH is bringing external hormones into your body, so using PCT then would be counter productive.

Now for your questions:

1. A good PCT for your cycle would be clomid and a natural anabolic. I suggest AlphaMax XT for the natural anabolic. AlphaMax XT will have you covered from all angles, in addition to the SERM. You will get a full dosed AI, Ashwagandha can also help reduce cortisol y reducing stress/anxiety. It also provides an increase in body comp. It helps maintain lean mass and increase fat loss. F95 increase cAMP levels and also does the same thing regarding body composition. You also have several ingredients that will aid in boosting testosterone. It beats buying an AI, testbooster, something for libido, etc. It is a nice, all in one solution when combined with a SERM.

2. You can expect some lean mass. Weight gain is going to come down to diet. I would not worry about scale weight too much, just look at the mirror and make sure you are progressing in terms of body comp.

3. A couple of things here. I would get an all in one cycle support such as Cycle Assist, Cycle Support, or Life Support.

I would also increase protein on cycle You body will be able to utilize more protein, I would up your carbs, protein to at least 2g/lb, and the rest in fat.

What is your training routine?
 
mw1 said:
Serm is not needed for a DHEA derivative. Your pct is potentially almost as strong as the cycle.
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People running 4dhea and 1dhea for 8 weeks certainly need a serm . 1 andro /1dhea a dhea derivative is very suppressive . Gains or lack of gains don’t equate to whether or not you need a proper pct. if your shut down you need a SERM. Some guys take DMZ and don’t use a SERM and bounce back , doesn’t mean it’s good advice . I’m not trashing you but you can’t come on AM and say DHEA derivatives done need a SERM . People might believe it and mess themselves up
 
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