YamahaC76
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Do you do split doses? Since I'm having tendon issues in the shoulder, ill inject into delt. I appreciate you guys getting back to me. I have a few vials myself.
Tbol Vs Ostarine
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Do you do split doses? Since I'm having tendon issues in the shoulder, ill inject into delt. I appreciate you guys getting back to me. I have a few vials myself.
Cgkone
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YamahaC76
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Done. So, you reconstitute in 1mg and use a .2ml injection daily?
Cgkone
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YamahaC76
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Ill probably start my first inject of 125mg tomorrow If my HCG comes in the mail. Do I start HCG 1 week after my fist inject? ill be tapering up the test by about 75-125mg each time to avoid Test Flu. I see most people starting out the gate with 250mg 1st go around tend to get test flu, and I honestly can't have that BS for 3-4 weeks like I see.
With that said, "if" I'm going to lose hair, when will I start to see shedding? I have my 2% Nizoral and minoxidil, but ya know. Just asking.
With that said, "if" I'm going to lose hair, when will I start to see shedding? I have my 2% Nizoral and minoxidil, but ya know. Just asking.
fueledpassion
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You need to take supps thay boost immunity. There are a host of them that do this. I personally take Astragalus, Aswagandha, Garlic, Rhodiola, etc.
But there are many more that do this sort of thing. There is no reason for anyone to be getting sick from common colds and flu these days. The tools are available for us to prevent most of those occurences.
But there are many more that do this sort of thing. There is no reason for anyone to be getting sick from common colds and flu these days. The tools are available for us to prevent most of those occurences.
Cgkone
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I think it more if a weird feeling.
When you start blasting test your body just gets a little overwhelmed sometimes.
Its not actually the flu
MrKleen73
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I am huge on people supplementing 10-20g a day of L-glutamine when on cycle. Most that do this never have a problem, and it is pretty cheap. Most think that L-Glutamine has poor bioavailability because only about 47% makes it to the muscle tissue. However those people do not realize this is because the other 53% was taken immediately from the intestines to feed the immune system, and gut health. If you aren't fueling it, you will notice for sure.
MrKleen73
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Twice a day, 1 about 1 hour before training and whenever you want the other one based on food and timing. The half life is long for an oral androgren at 16 hours. I normally try to pick times where they will overlap during the time I want the most androgens in my system. IE workout and post workout feeding window. You can have an 8 hour overlap time there where doses are going to be the highest and I like to get my training and post workout food consumption at that time. That is just me but in all honestly twice a day is going to work whether separated by 8 hours or 12, I don't know that it makes that much of a difference.
YamahaC76
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I see, what are the benefits of always having it in your system vs taking all 50mg right before the workout?
Is it supposed to always be in your system to build up a concentration serum effect?
Also, or cycle support products, if I'm taking my oral during the day, should the TUDCA be taken at night?
MrKleen73
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In all honestly it is just my personal preference as to where I want the highest levels of androgens. For on them being higher during the workout is likely to increase aggression, increase strength a little via neural stimulation, androgens increase contractile force in the CNS to a degree. Also there is the post workout period where you are taking in a lot of nutrients and can make better use of them.
However there is also something to be said for having androgens in the system all the time as well. As in recovery is amplified 24 hours a day instead of simply having a higher amplification during 16 hours. Hence why I mentioned with this that you can get on a 12 hour rotation, this keeps androgens in the system at all times, so increased recovery at all times. However if timed 1 hour before your workout then you have 4 hours during that training window where there is an overlap and higher level of androgens. That way you get the best of both worlds.
In the end it is mostly speculation and comes down to what I THINK is going to net me the best results. That being highest androgen levels during training and postworkout feeding.
fueledpassion
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It is safer to assume that at least a portion of the interaction and effects an oral steroid has dealt the body is immediate and within the first half-life. Given that safe assumption, under usual anabolic circumstances we should stretch the dosing out evenly to avoid a see-saw effect at the cell-signaling level.
There are only a few unique cases where we could possibly benefit from having lop-sided anabolic activity.
There are only a few unique cases where we could possibly benefit from having lop-sided anabolic activity.
MrKleen73
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fueledpassion So with a 16 hour halflife you would take it how far apart? There is going to be some overlap regardless there if 2 doses. I just figured if you can pick where the overlap is then during and post workout would seem to be the most beneficial time to have the overlap.
Also, do you not agree with those who take orals like DBol and what not 1 hour pre workout, or take TNE preworkout as that creates a lopsided anabolic activity? Is that one of the caveats you were referring too, or were you not referring to my post above yours?
fueledpassion
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Well, when it comes to aromatizing steroids, I would create smooth blood levels for my body’s sake.
Non-aromatizing steroids it isn’t as important UNLESS it is a steroid that dramatically reduces or impacts estrogen, such as Proviron or Winny.
So the context of my post was to consistently regulate estrogen levels. Doing this brings consistent results in mood changes, sodium retention, energy, sex drive and appetite.
So with Dbol, I’d say taking before a workout is fine, but perhaps half the total daily dose. Otherwise with TNE, it would not matter as long as I was already running an esterified version of Test alongside it.
YamahaC76
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I'm just going to bring this up. 3 Days into TBOL now and I can say, that without pre workout I feel fine, but I take mesomorph, original. And Since I've been adding that in, just in general I feel noticeably sluggish. Im wondering if I got anavar instead, but Im taking my cycle support now. Also split doses of TBOL. I took the oral today in the morning about 5 hours before my workout just to see if it made a difference and it didn't. It would be very uncharacteristic for there to be a mix up as well concerning the oral regarding my guy. Please advise, thank you.
EDIT: Dropped mk677, and since then I have noticed my pumps are trash, no pre workout or the oral is helping with pumps at all.
EDIT: Dropped mk677, and since then I have noticed my pumps are trash, no pre workout or the oral is helping with pumps at all.
Godstrength
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Well if you had anavar you would be seeing some good pumps imo. Even within 3 days. It starts working pretty fast.
Also why do you think anavar would,make you sluggish?
YamahaC76
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I heard anavar could do that, but I'm just pointing fingers. I don't really know what you're supposed to feel on any of these orals. I did "feel" something initially, but my lethargy is noticeable. I used to be fired up about going to the gym. I'm not sure if you really have any "feelings" on tbol in the first place, thus I'm on here.
fueledpassion
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Sluggishness could be associated with either liver damage or BG issues. I would doubt liver damage so early into the run.
But who knows. You might be getting sick is all.
MrKleen73
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This ^^^^, also mk677 ends up lowering insulin sensitivity so it would be odd that stopping it would prevent pumps. The only time my fasting levels have been over 84 in years was the 2 times I was running MK. My fasting BG was over 90 then. It is a result of consistently elevated GH levels instead of spikes I do believe.
I imagine fueledpassion could shed more light on that. It is just something I have learned about recently and I don't really know the mechanics of it.
YamahaC76
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For HCG use on cycle, 250 IU Eod or e3d started 1 week after first pin?
Also, had a bit of wrist pain after delt injection. I don't think it went as smoothly as the previous time, little bit of pain vs painless like last time. Thoughts?
At this point I'm just giving you guys the play by play since I still don't feel like I'm 100% pinning correctly.
Also, had a bit of wrist pain after delt injection. I don't think it went as smoothly as the previous time, little bit of pain vs painless like last time. Thoughts?
At this point I'm just giving you guys the play by play since I still don't feel like I'm 100% pinning correctly.
fueledpassion
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If you haven’t been doing injections in the past, PIP and extended soreness is expected. As far as the wrist pain after delt injections, I doubt its related. If it were, I’d expect you to be reporting things like numbness, tingling and mild aching pains, starting from the upper arm and moving down to the wrist area. That sort of thing is a nerve irritation or impingement. It will subside after a while.
Get a 1.5” needle and just do the glutes. Get a frozen ice pack and place on the area of the glute to be injected. Hold it directly on the skin for 90-120 seconds to completely numb the area. It will even numb the deeper parts of the derma. This will give you confidence to try new spots as well as going deeper and using greater amounts of oil at one time. Most of the fears associated with pinning is in the feedback to the brain regarding what you feel combined with what you see. Remove one or the other and it won’t likely cause anxiety or fear. You obviously can’t avoid looking at the injection site so you’ll need to try and remove feeling from the situation. The ice pack method works pretty well at this. You’d be surprised how little you feel stuff once it goes beneath the deeper parts of the derma.
1.5” - 23-25g will suffice for glutes. If you are 10% BF or less, probably a 1” will do. Bury the needle in the upper outer portion of the glutes, practically on the hip where the two meet.
For hcg, just pick two days out of the week to inject. This can be a static schedule.
YamahaC76
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Thanks fueledpassion In this case, I doubt I hit the exact middle of my delt. But I'm pretty close. How do you know the difference between hitting a nerve upon injection and just compressing one because of the oil? My shoulder is so stiff this morning, I doubt I can lift today! Feels sort of weak and can't raise above my head! But as long as it's not a sterility issue, I can deal!
As far as the radiating down the arm, It does sort of feel numb by comparison, my whole right arm just feels swollen at this point. I iced it at the site.
As far as the radiating down the arm, It does sort of feel numb by comparison, my whole right arm just feels swollen at this point. I iced it at the site.
MrKleen73
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If you hit a nerve the entire muscle is going to jump, twitch or move because you manually stimulated it with the needle and it is going to hurt. There will not be a question if you hit a nerve or not. It also isn't that horrible of a thing. Often it doesn't feel good then if it moved a lot the muscle feels bruised and sore from contracting around the stationary needle. You aren't going to find as many nerves in the glutes. I just have a very hard time pinning them myself with how I am structured. So I stick to 2 different areas of my quads on each leg.
YamahaC76
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Shoulder feels better today, I expect this to continue but will be more careful next time. I am just not sure how to aspirate guys, the plunger already hardly moves as is?
Also regarding HCG, preserving fertility, I have a fairly complex question. I am currently dosing Adex @ .25mg e3d , However I know HCG can shoot E2 up as well from what iv'e read. I will just be doing a couple 250iu injections weekly. How would this effect my adex dosing? I suppose since I'm starting to get the ache in the land down under, it must be HCG time.
Also regarding HCG, preserving fertility, I have a fairly complex question. I am currently dosing Adex @ .25mg e3d , However I know HCG can shoot E2 up as well from what iv'e read. I will just be doing a couple 250iu injections weekly. How would this effect my adex dosing? I suppose since I'm starting to get the ache in the land down under, it must be HCG time.
MrKleen73
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You just pull back on the plunger, if no blood then plunge it in. When you pull back there will be resistance and it will create a vacuum in the syringe with an airpocket, if no blood then just depress the plunger. If you are in a vein or artery it will pull back easier and blood will be visible in the syringe,in that case pull it out and stick it in elsewhere.