TheMrMuscle
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Non-hormonal is music in my ears. Looking forward to seeing it.
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toddmuelheim
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Same here. FD 2.0 is now a staple for me, so I really want to see what brundel has up his sleeve in that same realm of non hormonal anabolics
jgntyce
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With BLR products being staples, we are eventually going to eat, sleep, and breathe BLR from our bodies!
brundel
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Yah its for sure not going to cause stim dick 
The reason some products do this varies. For example some pct and even test boosting products have strong antiandrogens dim in them. Pretty common actually. This blocks testosterone and dht....horrible stuff. Not sure how companies havnt figured this out.
Another potential reason is estrogen rising with test and this kills libido and erection.
Finally if you have something that binds to androgen receptors it can potentially compete with endogenous hormones lime test and dht and, or, can suppress these hormones. This makes it so your at a net loss.
This is why we run extensive testing on each ingredient solo and in combo so we know what to expect. In this case I think we will see some pro sexual effects.
The reason some products do this varies. For example some pct and even test boosting products have strong antiandrogens dim in them. Pretty common actually. This blocks testosterone and dht....horrible stuff. Not sure how companies havnt figured this out.
Another potential reason is estrogen rising with test and this kills libido and erection.
Finally if you have something that binds to androgen receptors it can potentially compete with endogenous hormones lime test and dht and, or, can suppress these hormones. This makes it so your at a net loss.
This is why we run extensive testing on each ingredient solo and in combo so we know what to expect. In this case I think we will see some pro sexual effects.
brundel
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So maybe I should clarify because I did say this but it's misleading.
Originally I had planned on 1 product with 5 to 6 ingredients but over the course of testing we found that 2 of the ingredients act through the androgen receptor. Meaning they work like an anabolic steroid. This is great and exciting but we needed to test more to be sure we are Not displacing endogenous hormones like test and dht and we need to watch for estrogenic sides, suppression etc etc.
So I split the 2 that appear to directly bind and set them up for more tests.
The 3 others then went on their own path and continued toward production.
This way if we find that you need pct, ai, test support etc then we know ahead of time and can suggest the right ancillaries.
The 3 other ingredients are pretty amazing. Each 1 is amazing. As you guys know I don't add anything that won't stand alone. Each one has some really amazing properties. One or 2 I think is vastly better than anything we have used yet with multiple actives.
This 3 fold blend is showing some androgenic effects. Pro sexual, libido ,erection.
This is from a rise in endogenous hormones along with.....maybe some direct effects. But we don't expect it to be suppressive. If anything it should increase test levels.
#1 is not non hormonal like Follidrone. It does effect hormones but this is not the moa. It's just a benefit. This one, not suppressive.
#2 we are uncertain yet but it may be competitive and or suppressive. We are testing more so we know for sure. If it is, well let you guys know so you can plan your cycles accordingly.
Like a ph,ds, cycle. If not, well know and also let you know before launch.
Ultimately it's good because we have 2 really great products coming.
#1 will be soon. Jan
iamyourfather
Active member
thank you very much for that detailed clarification!
ive never used anything hormonal but im not against it so lets see what you will throw on the market =)
and the non-hormonal will get tried 100%. extremely curious about the exact ingredients.
brundel
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Bro the ingredients on product 1 are so cool.
I'm working on the writeup and the research is super exciting. How has everyone not been utilizing this stuff!!!!???
BlackTiger22
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bring it
bigsmall
Banned
Same o'le **** - they are all waiting for someone else to R n D it. Hope you make the new stuff hard to copy.
brundel
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Honestly I wish this wasn't so but it is.
It won't be hard to get the plants but it will be hard to copy our extracts. Things are rarely exactly what they seem. We use ultra strong and usually standardized extracts but just label extract. We worked really hard on extraction process and making sure certain constituents were there in ultra high %s.
brundel
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Youll start seeing info within 14 days.
I just need to be certain we dont have to tweak anything or make any changes that will delay launch. I dont want to put out a writeup and then have production delayed 2 months. So until I have ordered raws I wont say really anything revealing.
Once I order raws Both strong Supplements and BLR will begin leaking info.
Each ingredient has some really interesting stuff to look at so itll be exciting for sure.
iamyourfather
Active member
we get massively hyped up here =)
paul56778
Well-known member
Will this one have similar properties to FD2 e.g. such as increased fat loss and endurance.
brundel
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Yes.
Fat loss
endurance
strength
muscle mass
and androgenic effects like libido, erection strength have been noted by all final phase testers.
Like FD2 it will have antidiabetic effects and other fat and glucose utilization effects.
But its muscle building MOAs are different. There are multiple and some interesting complexities.
This has been one of my favorite projects because there is just so much going on. For example when studying ecklonia there was alot of information and it just has so many benefits. This is no different in this respect. Where it is different is there hasnt been 10 million dollars spent in research so while there is alot of research and data these plants are not well known and certainly not in our industry. Just reading the studies and such will be interesting for those who are academically inclined.
Ricky10
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So good luck to anyone hoping to win the prospective contest ey? Haha..
brundel
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Oh I dont think anyone will guess even 1 of them honestly.
Ricky10
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I can’t even come up with a good response to your last statement
brundel
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For now I wouldn't recommend it during pct.
Androgenic effects don't always mean test booster. Trenbolone is very androgenic but crushes test. I think for now let's just say I don't think it's going to be significantly suppressive. Things might change as 1. This final test phase moves forward. And 2. as we launch and we get large-scale feedback. My current position is this will be a strong anabolic agent. Mass builder. I don't think you'll need pct but I think using it as pct might be asking too much. Let's see how things go. I'm gonna have testers ramp up to 125% and then 150% just so we know how sensitive people might respond. So far so good with regards to libido and sexual function though. If anything it's been pro which is more than I hoped for. I hoped just for doesn't kill libido.
It is possible that it will be pct friendly but for now I don't want to say until I habe enough evidence.
brundel
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The other thing is, if I had run the contest pre fd1 or pre fd2 would anyone have guessed It?
How about with Letrone?
Or nootrol.
I'm willing to hear people's guesses though
ELROCK
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The other thing is, if I had run the contest pre fd1 or pre fd2 would anyone have guessed It?
How about with Letrone?
Or nootrol.
I'm willing to hear people's guesses though
Haha good point NOPE!
rtmilburn
Well-known member
so you are saying if I guess an ingredient I will get a bottle?The other thing is, if I had run the contest pre fd1 or pre fd2 would anyone have guessed It?
How about with Letrone?
Or nootrol.
I'm willing to hear people's guesses though
btw I have zero idea and will guarantee I will not guess it either
brundel
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Yup. If you guess one. Free bottle.
Ricky10
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Oh.....so now it is guessing 1 of the 3 plants correctly, and each person can guess three plants? Can people repeat 1 or 2 guesses of other participants and still be a winner?
Also, for clarification purposes, are we considering all algae and fungi as being part of the plant kingdom? There seems to be some discrepancies in the current definition.
TheMovement
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Veggie Caps is my first guess!
jt75
Well-known member
Dude I'm not part of BLR, I'm just guessing ingredients for the upcoming anabolic, whoever guesses correctly gets a free bottle
Ricky10
Well-known member
Somebody may have gotten too excitedI give up
Not entirely sure, but you may be disqualified? :nono:
I think each person only gets 3 guesses.
It’s also still unclear which thread they want to run the contest in...
It may end up being this one: Invalid Link Removed
Interesting guesses though either way!
jgntyce
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Yes I know. I was just saying that it’s ingredients I have never heard before. So props to you for guessing those.
brundel
Board Sponsor
If it grows out of the earth, plant, algae, fungi, seaweed, its fair game.
No synthetic, no animal based, no minerals or vitamins etc.
Ricky10
Well-known member
Gotcha..
Not trying to be a PIA...but is it game on in either thread?
Only 3 guesses per member? Repeat guesses from other members allowed as part of the 3?
jt75
Well-known member
Dude it's not the biggest deal in the history of the world!
Just a playful guessing game for a free bottle
Ricky10
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Yes, but out of respect for Brundel, Strong Supps, and other members looking to participate, it would only be fair to adhere to some guidelines...
iamyourfather
Active member
why not „everybody can guess as often as he wants and if someone has a right one, or all 3, he gets a bottle“??
NO one will win that if he hs to guess the right 3 ingredients within his first and only 3 chances. (probably there wont be a winner anyway, even with unlimited chances to guess)
Ricky10
Well-known member
Well, the latest is to guess only one correctly....out of 3 guesses. They also considered doing it in the Strong Supps Thread as that is who is going to be releasing the product...
bigsmall
Banned
Well now its gone wild west and their is nothing that can be done to reel this in. btw Brundel mentioned that the product would be released by BLR and Strong Supps.
Ricky10
Well-known member
I know right!
I’m game for whatever. I just know Strong Supps and Brundel were in the midst of working out the preferred way to do this and Afi140 was still waiting to hear back from his boss as of yesterday..
If we are taking it upon ourselves to say game on before this has officially been established, and have random posts in both threads; then it is what it is....
I just find it rather odd to participate in a contest before the people who are involved have even had the chance to sort out and convey the details.
brundel
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No repeats. Just because I'm not going to award product to 10 people with the same guess
brundel
Board Sponsor
Let's just do it here. Easier. And nobody has to wait. I'll also accept guesses from people in strongs threads.
Let's establish a few rules.
No more than 6 guesses total. This prevents people from just posting 1000000 bull****nguesses.
If you guess 1 I'll send you a bottle.
Must have reasonably proper terminology. Meaning if its green tea and you guess Carmella sacratese it's a no go.
Let's establish a few rules.
No more than 6 guesses total. This prevents people from just posting 1000000 bull****nguesses.
If you guess 1 I'll send you a bottle.
Must have reasonably proper terminology. Meaning if its green tea and you guess Carmella sacratese it's a no go.