Swindler
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interesting I have tren set back for my next cycle I was just curious of the primo haven't really researched much on it...
SUSTANON ED OR M/W/F
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Chados
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The gains are quality but not really drastic or huge. Great for lean bulk or cut, when are you running tren? Id suggest to not go over 400 (rather 300) and keep test equal or lower than tren, also suggest running cardarine through cycle and pct.
Swindler
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start cycle around april. And I just hoping to be able to handle the sides so I am going to start out low maybe around 150-200 a week and see from there. On top of it all I have a bunch of tren E and wondering if maybe I should hold off and use ace the first time...
also why the cardarine?
Chados
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Both ace and enth seems to have benefits regarding sides, difference is that you can jump off ace easily but cough seems to be a problem here an not so much with enth. Since you run it that low enth might be fine. Cardarine combats tren sides that's why I suggest it. The lack of energy on tren is something cardarine is extremly good for. Another thing I've noticed personally is that you can wake up during the night and feel sick and wonder what's going on, low blood sugar that to me doesn't feel like blood sugar. Tren seems to have the ability to make you gain weight and muscle on a deficit and I think it forces your body to work and you don't realize youre hungry. Good thing is the nutrient partioning let's you get away with eating more and not store it as fat , so keep blood sugar stable and eat a little every 3 hours or so.
Bintherduntht
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Test and Primo...
Primo is definitely not a bulking compound. It's very commonly counterfeit online. It will not contribute to any mass gaining. Most guys would not have the patience to run it because it takes a long time to notice gains... Primo isn't even really for gains. I take it specifically for it's immune boosting effects, (never get sick) and its ability to help collagen. It is for quality gains that take awhile, but are easily kept. It also acts as an anti estro so on test you don't need an estro blocker( that's my body). It will help lean you out with test... Real deca will add some size, strength and harden you up. Tren will bulk you the fuk up and shred you up at the same time.
Insane the gains are. Unfortunately, the sides are equally insane. I get very aggressive, and have to constantly put myself in check. Someone could give you the wrong look and you'd wanna destroy them.
Test and deca you can bulk, real deca should not bloat you up. Nandrolone will give strength and power adding to the the test and with enough calories you will gain. You can also get bich tits. Not from estro, but from prolactin which would require a whole nother compound that is expensive and hard to get. I've never gotten gyno from deca, and its also never eased my joint pain. The only thing that helps my joints is adrol, which is harsh, and HGH.
TLDR: Test at a high dose with all the calories will bulk you up while the the primo can keep you lean and block estro but Won't shred you up like tren or GH.
Test and tren will deff add amazing size and strength gains cut you up, piss you off, make you wanna fuk anything that walks...
Test a
Bintherduntht
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It's very important to always eat clean and healthy wether bulking, cutting, even off cycle. This is a lifestyle... You want to be able to do it for as long as you can right? Being healthy overall is where you begin and stay
Bintherduntht
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Tren E is fine. If you want to be a pin cushion, and build a ton of scar tissue, run shorter esters. Some guys just like jabbing all the time. I prefer longer ester once a week shots. Your mindset is perfect. With anything, start low to get a feel. I can take 200mg tren e once a week and get amazing results. Then again, I don't get them online. I know what I get is legit
Bintherduntht
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Tren gives me a lot of energy... Or perhaps it's the aggression... I've never coughed after injecting anything... The sides are bad temper, a lot of aggression and prolactin sides meaning feeling like crud and possible gyno. Deca also interacts with the progesterone receptor releasing more prolactin the higher dose you go and longer you stay on
Bintherduntht
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Deca always puts me down in the dumps. An overall unwell feeling even with test. Everyone is different though... If sides ever get too nasty from progesterone compounds like prolactin induced gyno, dostinex aka cabergoline will work. Very hard to get and expensive but will work. Some guys say vitamin b6 lowers prolactin. Did not work for me.
That's where the term "deca dick" comes from. Prolactin is released after having an orgasm. The feeling of "well **** I'm done with that" too much prolactin and Ed sets in.
Chados
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Sure but what I'm saying is that personally on tren i can get really hungry and the benefit is that if I feel sick I can eat a little and not worry too much since tren really takes everything and doesn't store it as fat as long as youre not overdoing it. Never had any cough from tren either and i actually got more friendly rather than angry, almost to the point where I got a bit anxious from time to time.
Bintherduntht
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Being friendly made you anxious? I haven't used tren in awhile but yea definitely gives a confidence boost... Almost to the point of bigger ego lol. Control the juice don't let it control you. When you feel sick or get sick? Again, that's why I suggest always eating healthy. Always. Rarely get sick, feel better, better health... Juice will mess with your health anyways. This lifestyle requires a healthy diet. Period.
I sound like an ass I know. But I'm trying to educate. It's not hard to eat right. In fact you get used to it and start craving very salads and shiii lol
Bintherduntht
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Idk. I take it once a week. 20mg. With a half life of 5-7 days why everyday
Chados
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I don't know why I felt anxious sometimes but it wasn't that bad. You can eat healthy but again, adding a few calories on tren is not gonna hurt you. Doesn't mean you're gonna cheat everyday but tren will take these extra calories and pack them on as muscles
Bintherduntht
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yea makes sense I agree
Swindler
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man I felt great on deca but I had my test at almost double the amount of deca I felt really good the majority of the cycle......
Bintherduntht
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That's probably why you felt good lol
Chados
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Using nolva will hinder your gains, you use nolva if you're getting gyno not to prevent bloat.
Cgkone
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Bro
By now you must know that everybody is different.
Obviously you've read other stuff where guys run Nolva often, everyday even.
Not only that but you've researched and experemented and found what works for you.
People run Nolva EOD because they want stable levels
Thousands and thousands of people use Nolva for bloat.
Everybody is different.
If suicide AI don't work we use SERMS.
That's how it works.
We don't risk gyno or walk around like the Michelin Man we use Nolva.
Your doing good.
Chados
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Well nolva is blocking estrogen, you don't want to block estrogen, you want to control estrogen with an ai to prevent yourself from having to take nolva. if you shut down your estrogen completly it's gonna suck, same with getting it too high.
Chados
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Well clearly he wasn't controlling estrogen and just jumped on nolva to control bloat, doesn't make much sense
Cgkone
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True.
He didn't have it dialed in.
The Nolva worked.
He wasn't responding Adex.
I would never use adex.
I don't like it.
I can't ever get the dose right
I use 6.25mg of stane everyday.
Ralox I use every other day if I still look puffy.
That's my point everybody is different.
Some people really get bloated from high test.
Nolva is a tool. It has many applications.
He didn't have it dialed in.
The Nolva worked.
He wasn't responding Adex.
I would never use adex.
I don't like it.
I can't ever get the dose right
I use 6.25mg of stane everyday.
Ralox I use every other day if I still look puffy.
That's my point everybody is different.
Some people really get bloated from high test.
Nolva is a tool. It has many applications.
Cgkone
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There is no ONE way to do this.
The OP wasn't responding to suggested AI protocol.
OP then ( it appears) went and researched more and found other routes.
OP found a route that worked for him.
OP still has a lot to learn but hes doing what works for him.
Godstrength
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Nolva doesn't block estrogen it blocks the receptor sites so that it is unable to bind to the tissue (breast). It doesn't do anything to lower estrogen. You don't worry about crashing your estrogen on nolva because it doesn't work by that mechanism.
Cgkone
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Lots of incorrect info on this thread.
Chados
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True but he's already on adex so theoretically he could already have bad levels of estrogen. Point is that he should look up his levels of estrogen and control it with the ai. Not dose test at 750 use an ai potentially too low and just jump on nolvadex.
bigalex
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guys iv got it figured out ..if something ****s up its my fault. im gonna get bloods done after news years..can i post them on here and some vets can tell me stuff about it? also ur rigt adex is a bitch trying to find the right dose
plus 10 weeks of nolva wont hinder my gains and i havent got any gyno or acne..no lump or itchiness so i dont really need an ai because im sure im not prone to with 750mg test unless its bunk lol
plus 10 weeks of nolva wont hinder my gains and i havent got any gyno or acne..no lump or itchiness so i dont really need an ai because im sure im not prone to with 750mg test unless its bunk lol
Chados
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You don't think maybe the adex has kept you from gyno in the first place? Adex is not just for gyno, you never want your estro to be too high or too low even if you have no signs of gyno.
You have to Think a bit more logically. you've been taking something that you have no idea how it affected you and now you come off. You need to check bloods while on adex to know where your estro is at, to know how it affects you. You don't need to get gyno when having high estro.
bigalex
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guy s iv decided to pull the plug on my sustanon cycle
i used it 8 weeks and got nothing just strength increase and bloat
no acne no sides at all
this gear is bunk
and i thought whats the point of buying more?
more ill close this cycle and get the good stuff
so i can start in may and do more reaserch
so what pct would u guys use after just a 8 week cycle of sustanon and when?
i was going for nolvadex 40/40/20/20
im not shut down my balls are the same size
i just think my estro level is out of whack
please any advice
thanks
i used it 8 weeks and got nothing just strength increase and bloat
no acne no sides at all
this gear is bunk
and i thought whats the point of buying more?
more ill close this cycle and get the good stuff
so i can start in may and do more reaserch
so what pct would u guys use after just a 8 week cycle of sustanon and when?
i was going for nolvadex 40/40/20/20
im not shut down my balls are the same size
i just think my estro level is out of whack
please any advice
thanks