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Making my own PWO From bulk

muscleupcrohn said:
Very likely not in any meaningful way in the context of pre-workout use.
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Ok gotcha thankyou. I tend not to stack a bunch of different things. Just one at a time. Agmatine alone with your protein and bcaas can do wonders. Then I went off that and now am on creatine.... Just a different way. Like aas. My greatest mentor told me not to do big stacks, just test with another inject and maybe an oral. Then switch compounds... That's for maximum gains
 
Right now I'm just cruising on sust and added HGH. Fat loss is insane. Only other supps are creatine, which never needs to be cycled, and vitamins.
 
Bintherduntht said:
Ok gotcha thankyou. I tend not to stack a bunch of different things. Just one at a time. Agmatine alone with your protein and bcaas can do wonders. Then I went off that and now am on creatine.... Just a different way. Like aas. My greatest mentor told me not to do big stacks, just test with another inject and maybe an oral. Then switch compounds... That's for maximum gains
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Natural supplements and AAS are apples to oranges though, of course. Or apples to lobster, or ghost peppers, which both illustrate the vast differences in different ways.

With natural supplements, it’s often advised not to stack a plethora of ingredients to avoid wasting money, as there’s a point of diminishing returns; safety is rarely the deciding factor here, or even a major concern.

Conversely, with AAS, stacking too many drugs is not only a waste of money, but can be seriously detrimental to your health and well-being, both short and long term.

I also really hope that you also cycle off of AAS, not just switch compounds while always being on something.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Natural supplements and AAS are apples to oranges though, of course. Or apples to lobster, or ghost peppers, which both illustrate the vast differences in different ways.

With natural supplements, it’s often advised not to stack a plethora of ingredients to avoid wasting money, as there’s a point of diminishing returns; safety is rarely the deciding factor here, or even a major concern.

Conversely, with AAS, stacking too many drugs is not only a waste of money, but can be seriously detrimental to your health and well-being, both short and long term.

I also really hope that you also cycle off of AAS, not just switch compounds while always being on something.
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That's exactly what I said about natty supps... One or two at a time. And with test add on inject and maybe an oral. 100s of thousands of guys do this safely and in good health. I disagree with going on and coming off. You're gonna put your body through hell stopping and starting, stopping and starting test. Either try it once, do one small cycle a year. Or blast and cruise. Been blasting and cruising for 3 years straight. Just had bloodwork done. Healthy as a horse. Also if you use test low dose and add in LEGIT primobolan, which is so mild they give to babies, you can get away with a third or even fourth compound. Some BBs run 5, 6 compounds at once. So stupid...
 
Bintherduntht said:
That's exactly what I said about natty supps... One or two at a time. And with test add on inject and maybe an oral. 100s of thousands of guys do this safely and in good health. I disagree with going on and coming off. You're gonna put your body through hell stopping and starting, stopping and starting test. Either try it once, do one small cycle a year. Or blast and cruise. Been blasting and cruising for 3 years straight. Just had bloodwork done. Healthy as a horse. Also if you use test low dose and add in LEGIT primobolan, which is so mild they give to babies, you can get away with a third or even fourth compound. Some BBs run 5, 6 compounds at once. So stupid...
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It’s your body, so do what you want, I just hope you are prepared to be on AAS/TRT/etc for life. I know a lot of old pros got huge cycling on and off, and many of them still look great in their 60s and 70s, etc. We don’t really know much about how people who never cycle off for 40-50+ years will hold up (assuming using bodybuilding levels of test, not only lower TRT levels). That said, even tomorrow isn’t promised to any of us, so you do you haha.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
It’s your body, so do what you want, I just hope you are prepared to be on AAS/TRT/etc for life. I know a lot of old pros got huge cycling on and off, and many of them still look great in their 60s and 70s, etc. We don’t really know much about how people who never cycle off for 40-50+ years will hold up (assuming using bodybuilding levels of test, not only lower TRT levels). That said, even tomorrow isn’t promised to any of us, so you do you haha.
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Exactly. You could get in your car tomorrow to head to work, the store, wherever... And wreck. I plan to stay on trt. I'm with the VA for life and they know my situation. Will I have complications in my future? Probably. I already do/ have had sides. That's the price you pay to do these things. My neighbor is a drunk, a family member of mine is a tweaker, grandpa slowly died from lou Gehrigs... And the way the world is now... With all those drugs.. Taken some test and hitting the weights ain't that bad lol
 
Bintherduntht said:
Is that supp really needed though?
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If you’re using a solid dose of citrulline and agmatine? No. I personally like to use either citrulline OR nitrates pre-workout. Helps save money, and also prevents building a tolerance to nitrates, which is why you want to take a little time off nitrates once in a while. But if he’s determined to buy bulk nitrates, well, I’ve seen people ask about buying saltpeter haha.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
If you’re using a solid dose of citrulline and agmatine? No. I personally like to use either citrulline OR nitrates pre-workout. Helps save money, and also prevents building a tolerance to nitrates, which is why you want to take a little time off nitrates once in a while. But if he’s determined to buy bulk nitrates, well, I’ve seen people ask about buying saltpeter haha.
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Lmao. They told us salt peter was gonna be in our water in basic training. At 18 that freaked me the fuk out. It's all bs
 
muscleupcrohn said:
If you’re using a solid dose of citrulline and agmatine? No. I personally like to use either citrulline OR nitrates pre-workout. Helps save money, and also prevents building a tolerance to nitrates, which is why you want to take a little time off nitrates once in a while. But if he’s determined to buy bulk nitrates, well, I’ve seen people ask about buying saltpeter haha.
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Most supps are bs man... BCAAs, protein and creatine. With some test. Boom
 
Any of you guys know a good place for bulk supps ? Only three I have come across are bulksupplements.com nutrashop.com(they’re out of everything) and nutrivitashop.com
 
In response to the creatine-agamatine interaction, that one is purely theoretical and at the nmda receptor. Creatine being an agonist, agmatine potentially being antagonistic. That receptor/pathway really has nothing to do with workouts, pump wise or even focus wise. And the influence of agmatine at that receptor is not really understood, as it can have vastly different effects at different concentrations, and I haven’t seen any data showing how high cns agmatine levels rise with supplemental use. So it’s really anyone’s guess at this point. But for preworkout purposes they have no interaction. I only know the above because I used to take supplements for almost a year geared towards enhancing the nmda pathway without it being cytotoxic. I didn’t notice much difference in negative cognitive effects when I was taking DAA, Creatine, d-serine, and various ampakines. I was taking maybe 500-1000 mg agmatine preworkout. One thing I do notice is that lower doses of agmatine, around 250 mg, seems to have a noticeable anxiolytic effect, at least for me.
 
bigdavid said:
In response to the creatine-agamatine interaction, that one is purely theoretical and at the nmda receptor. Creatine being an agonist, agmatine potentially being antagonistic. That receptor/pathway really has nothing to do with workouts, pump wise or even focus wise. And the influence of agmatine at that receptor is not really understood, as it can have vastly different effects at different concentrations, and I haven’t seen any data showing how high cns agmatine levels rise with supplemental use. So it’s really anyone’s guess at this point. But for preworkout purposes they have no interaction. I only know the above because I used to take supplements for almost a year geared towards enhancing the nmda pathway without it being cytotoxic. I didn’t notice much difference in negative cognitive effects when I was taking DAA, Creatine, d-serine, and various ampakines. I was taking maybe 500-1000 mg agmatine preworkout. One thing I do notice is that lower doses of agmatine, around 250 mg, seems to have a noticeable anxiolytic effect, at least for me.
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Well seeing that it’s so cheap in bulk I guess it can’t hurt I can always try it with and without u know. Little experimenting
 
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