Help with HCG use and PCT

BigWhite98

BigWhite98

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So here's my cycle
400mg of test cyp a week for 18 weeks
These last 8 weeks I've added 30mg of winstrol

My PCT plan was to start HCG the week of my last pin which is a Monday, my last pin would be that thursday. I would take the HCG until the following Thursday and then cut it off, then wait a full week, then start my Clomid and nova. I'll post what I have written down below, but my questions are about the HCG dose and how to take it. I've heard to take two pins of 250iu twice a week, or I also heard to take 1000iu eod for a week and then take 500iu eod for a week. Some also say to take 1000iu per week leaving me confused especially since my original plan was to take 2500iu twice a week for the two weeks. I really appreciate your guys help heres the pct I had written Down.

Start 2500iu of hcg on Monday the 4th and take mon/thur till the 14th
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Last injection is on Thursday the 7th, the winny will but cut off either that Saturday before show or that sunday of the show.

Keep running aromasin eod at .5

Pct starts December 21st
Clomid 75/50/50/50/25/25/25/25
Nova 40/20/20/20/12/12/12/12
Aromasin .5 eod until it runs out
Organ support ed
Cortisol control ed
Prolactin ed at half dose
And test booster ed
 
Distilled Water said:
If it were me....

HCG 750iu mon/wed/fri after my last shot and run for 4 weeks paired with Aromasin
2 weeks after pin
50mg Clomid
20mg Nolva (if you feel it’s needed)
Along side all other support supps
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Do you think the 2,250 a week is a good number for the amount of test and time I ran it? And the "after last shot" part confused me, only because I'm running cyp which only has a 14 day ester, so that would mean running the hcg for two clean weeks and then the first two weeks of pct which isn't a good idea
 
BigWhite98 said:
Do you think the 2,250 a week is a good number for the amount of test and time I ran it? And the "after last shot" part confused me, only because I'm running cyp which only has a 14 day ester, so that would mean running the hcg for two clean weeks and then the first two weeks of pct which isn't a good idea
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Says who? Some nerd study? Take my actual blood work.

HCG is a kick starter, you want it to start restoring LH levels and then while other drugs are kicking in to keep and restore matty test production to take over so you’ll want a slight over lap. That’s why people use while in. It’s like a signal to remind your body to make LH plus it’ll help you from feeling lethargic and run down while the ester clears.
 
I would start Reduce XT week 3 of PCT btw.
 
Distilled Water said:
Says who? Some nerd study? Take my actual blood work.

HCG is a kick starter, you want it to start restoring LH levels and then while other drugs are kicking in to keep and restore matty test production to take over so you’ll want a slight over lap. That’s why people use while in. It’s like a signal to remind your body to make LH plus it’ll help you from feeling lethargic and run down while the ester clears.
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huh?

HCG doesn't cause your body to produce LH... it acts as LH. it actually lowers LH production....
 
BigWhite98 said:
Do you think the 2,250 a week is a good number for the amount of test and time I ran it? And the "after last shot" part confused me, only because I'm running cyp which only has a 14 day ester, so that would mean running the hcg for two clean weeks and then the first two weeks of pct which isn't a good idea
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cyp doesn't have a 14 day ester. it's actually more like 5 days.... for some reason there's a lot of misinformation floating around about that.

I'd normally say to start the HCG now, but I saw you have a show coming up, which I presume is a BBing show. in that case, the HCG could cause some increased E2, so I'd wait.

anyway, people have success with all sorts of doses.... 250 IU wk to 500 IU EOD. you can start low and go higher, and base it off testicular volume. some guys run it all cycle, whereas other run it at the end of the cycle prior to PCT. and some don't run it at all...

typically one would stop the HCG once they start the SERM, as that becomes counterproductive at that point.

I would tweak your PCT, also. I'd run either clomid or nolva (not both) and lower the doses.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/297449-info-hcg.html#post5870442

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/288103-info-serms.html
 
CatSnake said:
huh?

HCG doesn't cause your body to produce LH... it acts as LH. it actually lowers LH production....
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it stimulates LH production. Simple google search. Surge in LH stimulates Leydig cell production of testosterone. It acts synergistically with FSH. Prolonged use can negative affect it thru feedback loops. It doesn’t lower it, only after prolonged use.

Don’t put words in my mouth chief ;-)
 
Distilled Water said:
it stimulates LH production. Simple google search. Surge in LH stimulates Leydig cell production of testosterone. It acts synergistically with FSH. Prolonged use can negative affect it thru feedback loops. It doesn’t lower it, only after prolonged use.

Don’t put words in my mouth chief ;-)
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no, it doesn't stimulate or increase LH production.... it mimics the action of LH's effect on the testes. it does not mimic FSH, nor does it increase it. only HMG mimics both LH and FSH. and it also does not stimulate their production.



do some Googling yourself, or stop giving such poor advice.



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CatSnake said:
no, it doesn't stimulate or increase LH production.... it mimics the action of LH's effect on the testes. it does not mimic FSH, nor does it increase it. only HMG mimics both LH and FSH. and it also does not stimulate their production.



do some Googling yourself, or stop giving such poor advice.



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Can’t fix stupid. Listen to this guy, idk what I’m talking about I guess
 
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Distilled Water said:
Can’t fix stupid. Listen to this guy, idk what I’m talking about I guess
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uhm, no, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. the data and science is quite clear.

either you can't read it, won't read it or refuse to accept that you were wrong.
 
CatSnake said:
uhm, no, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. the data and science is quite clear.

either you can't read it, won't read it or refuse to accept that you were wrong.
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Yeah even though we recommended the same dosing protocol....So now you’re discrediting yourself? I didn’t use the verbiage you liked bc youre a science in a vacuum nerd. Get over it...
 
Distilled Water said:
Yeah even though we recommended the same dosing protocol....So now you’re discrediting yourself? I didn’t use the verbiage you liked bc youre a science in a vacuum nerd. Get over it...
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no.

you suggested using HCG while running a high dose SERM protocol, which is also incorrect.

and you said that HCG increases LH production.... this is not "the wrong verbiage," it's just flat-out wrong. you don't know what you're talking about, and since you've been shown to be wrong, you're just yelling "NERD" and acting defensive. keep arguing if you want, but all you're doing is embarrassing yourself and the company you "rep."
 
CatSnake said:
no.

you suggested using HCG while running a high dose SERM protocol, which is also incorrect.

and you said that HCG increases LH production.... this is not "the wrong verbiage," it's just flat-out wrong. you don't know what you're talking about, and since you've been shown to be wrong, you're just yelling "NERD" and acting defensive. keep arguing if you want, but all you're doing is embarrassing yourself and the company you "rep."
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Ok few things and I’m done here...

1.) Your HCG protocol was the same as mine. That’s a fact. Stop talking in circles.

2.) So taking HCG won’t increase your LH in your blood work? News to me and science. Have a great life, nerd.
 
Distilled Water said:
Ok few things and I’m done here...

1.) Your HCG protocol was the same as mine. That’s a fact. Stop talking in circles.

2.) So taking HCG won’t increase your LH in your blood work? News to me and science. Have a great life, nerd.
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1. I said that people used anywhere from 250 IU /wk to 500 IU EOD. you suggested 750 IU M/W/F.



2. well, here's some "nerd science" to show that HCG administration does, in fact, suppress LH:

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^a general understanding of the HPTA would also predict that, as well. the hypothalamus sends GnRH to the pituitary which sends LH and FSH to the testes which then produce testosterone.

HCG acts as LH which keeps the testes active, and the ITT produced there keeps spermatogenesis active, even though FSH is low.

HCG simply doesn't have significant effects in the H or P part of the process.... it's work is downstream on the T in that equation.


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Distilled Water said:
Says who? Some nerd study? Take my actual blood work.

HCG is a kick starter, you want it to start restoring LH levels and then while other drugs are kicking in to keep and restore matty test production to take over so you’ll want a slight over lap. That’s why people use while in. It’s like a signal to remind your body to make LH plus it’ll help you from feeling lethargic and run down while the ester clears.
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Who HCG does not kick start LH production it is a hormone that mimics LH and sends a synthetic signal to the testes to activate all functions as if they were receiving LH.

You can run it on cycle, pre PCT, or waste it and use it during PCT. Most ppl that use HCG use it for 5 days prior to first dose of Clomid at 500iu e2d. If you dose higher than 5000iu you desensitize ledigs and do more harm than good.
 
FRITZBLITZ said:
Who HCG does not kick start LH production it is a hormone that mimics LH and sends a synthetic signal to the testes to activate all functions as if they were receiving LH.

You can run it on cycle, pre PCT, or waste it and use it during PCT. Most ppl that use HCG use it for 5 days prior to first dose of Clomid at 500iu e2d. If you dose higher than 5000iu you desensitize ledigs and do more harm than good.
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Holy sh!t you can’t read either. I never said it’s LH, I said it’s a kick start in PCT. it’s not a waste in PCT. I also never said to run it the entire PCT. while the ester clears and into the beginning protocol of the other drugs.

I guess those of the like of Matt Porter, John Meadows, etc have it all wrong. You guys want me to give you their numbers so you can tell them they’re wrong, I’m sure you’re way more intelligent and credible than they are.
 
Distilled Water said:
Holy sh!t you can’t read either. I never said it’s LH, I said it’s a kick start in PCT. it’s not a waste in PCT. I also never said to run it the entire PCT. while the ester clears and into the beginning protocol of the other drugs.

I guess those of the like of Matt Porter, John Meadows, etc have it all wrong. You guys want me to give you their numbers so you can tell them they’re wrong, I’m sure you’re way more intelligent and credible than they are.
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Yah give me those numbers so I can blow their minds with my biochemistry knowledge. PM me asap

You don't even realize the side effects of mixing so many female hormones in a man. It is a lot more precise than you have any idea. You should never take hcg during PCT unless your testicular atrophy is so advanced that your elevated LH is still not enough to turn those raisins on
 
FRITZBLITZ said:
Yah give me those numbers so I can blow their minds with my biochemistry knowledge. PM me asap

You don't even realize the side effects of mixing so many female hormones in a man. It is a lot more precise than you have any idea. You should never take hcg during PCT unless your testicular atrophy is so advanced that your elevated LH is still not enough to turn those raisins on
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Yeah my perfect blood work for the past two years must be a real indicator of mine and their cluelessness.
 
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