Cycle advice
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jgntyce
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A cycle support such as CEL CYCLE ASSIST and liver support such as CEL TUDCA will protect you while on cycle.
For PCT, you need a serm. I like clomid at 50/50/25/25. Also arachidonic acid in the form of SNS X GELS will help maintain strength and lean muscle. Finally, a test booster such as CEL M TEST will benefit you OP.
For PCT, you need a serm. I like clomid at 50/50/25/25. Also arachidonic acid in the form of SNS X GELS will help maintain strength and lean muscle. Finally, a test booster such as CEL M TEST will benefit you OP.
hairygrandpa
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Without a test base, you'll probably throw the towel after the Halodrol cycle.
jgntyce
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Test is best
hairygrandpa
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If you don't wanna pin: TD Trest is best.
AnabolicGuru
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I sure hope that Op had a typo on that
AnabolicGuru
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Which halodrol are we talking? Why run so many orals? You’re just overcomplicating it with so many compounds, especially with your experience. Is this a 8 week or 16 week cycle?
Smont
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That's a good point, I always forget about the Andros with there fake ass trickery names
Smont
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I would definitely run PCT after 6-8 weeks of hdrol.
AnabolicGuru
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Are you planning on running everything at the same time or for a total of 16 weeks?
AnabolicGuru
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That’s way too long of a cycle for orals; if you want to run stuff for so long, then go pin some test. Why so many compounds? 8 weeks for a methyl is too long imo anyways, I’d limit methyls to 6 weeks.
Toren
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I've done 12-14 week bridged, oral only or oral/TD cycles and I regretted each and every one of them (the last few weeks anyway). It's just too long, even with proper supports. Not to mention the fact that the results were rarely better than my shorter 6-8 week cycles. Long cycles should be based on injectables.
The real question here is, what is your goal? What are you trying to accomplish with this layout? Are you training for something specific?
If you are set on a 'bridged' cycle with these compounds (and you don't want to pin), a different layout may work, depending on your goals...
You could start the cycle with a light cut....followed by a recomp where you focus on strength. Your calories will mostly influence your results.
Ostarine: 1-6 @ 15mg
Epiandro: 1-6 @ 500+
4-Andro: 1-6 @ 200 followed by (7-10) @ 300+
Halo: 5-10 @ 50/50/75/75/75/75 (or 100 the last week to use up the last few caps [assuming 120 caps])
MK-677 throughout, or started with Halo and run through PCT.
I don't recommend using GW (Cardarine) with oral anabolics.
The above layout is 10 weeks, and even that is pushing it a bit! You would need a good cycle support with some serious additional focus on lipid/liver support. The slight overlap leaves you with Halo just starting to "kick-in" as you are dropping the Osta/Epi-A. I base the above recommendation on the assumption you don't want to pin and want to purchase "OTC" anabolics.
Suggested Support:
CEL Cycle Assist: 1-5 @ 6 caps ED followed by 6-10 @ 8caps ED (full dose).
Tudca: 5-10 @ 500mg ED
There are certainly better and cheaper ways to cycle, but I don't like to push people into injectables and some people just want to buy OTC.
Having said all that....a simple 6-8 week recomp will probably give you great results with less overall impact on your health profile. You cut could naturally with the aid of some natty anabolics before starting your AAS/DS/PH recomp.
The real question here is, what is your goal? What are you trying to accomplish with this layout? Are you training for something specific?
If you are set on a 'bridged' cycle with these compounds (and you don't want to pin), a different layout may work, depending on your goals...
You could start the cycle with a light cut....followed by a recomp where you focus on strength. Your calories will mostly influence your results.
Ostarine: 1-6 @ 15mg
Epiandro: 1-6 @ 500+
4-Andro: 1-6 @ 200 followed by (7-10) @ 300+
Halo: 5-10 @ 50/50/75/75/75/75 (or 100 the last week to use up the last few caps [assuming 120 caps])
MK-677 throughout, or started with Halo and run through PCT.
I don't recommend using GW (Cardarine) with oral anabolics.
The above layout is 10 weeks, and even that is pushing it a bit! You would need a good cycle support with some serious additional focus on lipid/liver support. The slight overlap leaves you with Halo just starting to "kick-in" as you are dropping the Osta/Epi-A. I base the above recommendation on the assumption you don't want to pin and want to purchase "OTC" anabolics.
Suggested Support:
CEL Cycle Assist: 1-5 @ 6 caps ED followed by 6-10 @ 8caps ED (full dose).
Tudca: 5-10 @ 500mg ED
There are certainly better and cheaper ways to cycle, but I don't like to push people into injectables and some people just want to buy OTC.
Having said all that....a simple 6-8 week recomp will probably give you great results with less overall impact on your health profile. You cut could naturally with the aid of some natty anabolics before starting your AAS/DS/PH recomp.
Toren
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The meaning behind that term has definitely morphed over the years.
Smont
Legend
To me a bridge is running something the last few weeks of a cycle while test or deca or eq whatever clears your system
Toren
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The term is definitely loose in it's meaning. To me, the true meaning of a "bridge", as BB competitors would often do it, is where a cycler will actually bridge two separate blast cycles together with a low-dose bridge or cruise. Often times cyclers or competitors will cycle, and then bridge to their next cycle with say 8 weeks of Nolva/Clomid. Sometimes this is even done with just a low-dose injectable for a few weeks before they blast again and then PCT and come off. You're really just postponing PCT when doing it this way. The bridge period should be a "re-setting" of the system, or even a period to reset some health markers. Blasting and cruising could be considered bridging as far as I am concerned.
Running orals or even very short-estered (or no-ester) injectables could be considered a bridge to PCT while longer esters clear the system.
Toren
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That slippery slope is very hard to avoid for most....
Glycomann
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I've had a couple Tequilas so I'm going to be blunt. I think this plan is masturbation. NowI've played around with SARMs and MK677 but SARMs and SERMs and GH axis compounds are for PCT in my opinion. If you're trying to preserve your HPTA then really I'm not sure what you are preserving by pounding it with prohormones and SARMs. Most of the prohormones are really exotics that never passed the smell test for big pharma to market them back in the 60s adn 70s. Really I think it is more effective and probably even safer to just use AAS. The way I like to cycle is with a low test base and 1-2 anabolics as the drivers. The a cruise or bridge can be just a TRT or a SARM SERM mix with a front end of HCG. Something that would yield a massive amount of gains, given proper diet training, and rest would be something like this:
1-10 Test C 150 mg
1-10 500 mg Equipoise
4-10 Anavar 40 mg/d
EQ hits just as fast as everting else. don't buy the BS. If you stay on EQ for 16 weeks all you wind up with is sky high RBCs adn the need to donate blood.
A good bridge is
1-3 hCG 500 iu ETD
2-6 Clomid 50 mg/d
1-6 Ostarine 20-30 mg/d
7-8 off
Check blood work. All OK, Ready for next blast.
Smont
Legend
Osta is not for PCT. There's plenty of ppl with blood work, gyno, and limp dicks to prove it. As far as EQ goes, I can agree that it kicks in earlier then most ppl say but the longer I would run it the better it got and I never had any problems with it at 20 weeks. Also cheers, I had a bttl of wine at dinner and having a big bullet burbon right now?
Glycomann
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Hope you had a good Saturday night. Osta can work with Clomid and bloodmwork comes back with good test and LH. Some of the other SARMs not so much. Probably there will be poeple where the Osta/Clomid deosn't work. Loss of libido is going to happen at some point but there are pills for that too. Maybe wont work for everyone. Then again we have too many damn pills for every damn thing under the sun now. Going back 29 years to my first couple of cycles PCT was not known and pretty much bouned right back without anything. Defiunitely over time it gets harder to recover and dickie problems are part of that. Didn't really associate any such problems with Osta though.
But about Equipoise, probably still a good idea to keep and eye on hemaglobin and hematocrit if using it over a long period espacially if over 40 socence polycythemia is more of a risk in older androgen users. Look up Bashin for the pubs on it.
Chados
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Longer cycles will not be better ever.. Your body gets used to the compound and the gains will stop just like it does naturally.
Your own production will shut down and when not having test it'll be hell to keep the gains. 4 weeks is plenty of you have to go for an oral only cycle, 6 week max
Your own production will shut down and when not having test it'll be hell to keep the gains. 4 weeks is plenty of you have to go for an oral only cycle, 6 week max
coltonwalker
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This. Along with what hairyGP said about trest. 6-8 weeks of halo and td trest will yeild better gains anyway than 8 + 8. Specially of your ending with a sarm. Get and AI on hand and get a serm for pct.