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Trans dermal trestolone + LGD + MK-677+ Laxogenin (end of cycle)

Today's training log
Week 2 Deadlift and back day

***DEADLIFT REP PR TODAY***

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Start of week 3

Sept 24
192.6 lbs
22.53 lbs fat
170.06 lbs lbm


Since start
Total weight: +6.8 lbs
LBM: 6 lbs
Fat: .8 lbs
 
AI for me is going to need to be at 12.5mg E3D. I think that's gonna be the best based on how I'm feeling again today, and I haven't taken since Thursday. Will take again today.
 
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Today's training log
Week 3
Bench Press and Chest Assistance
 
Moved the calories up to the 4000 calorie plan. If I notice fat gain I'll be be going back down to 3500.
 
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Side bend 100 lbs x 12, 100 lbs X 10
Sit-up 45 lbs x 15 sets
Today's training log
**^Rep PR BACK SQUAT 370x5***

Week 3 Squat and Ab assistance (possibly arms to come tonight)
 
Yes. However I def have some abdominal bloat and I'm getting slightly labored breathing sides. Going to need to toy around with AI dosage, because the sides are frustrating.
The 677 probably is exasperating the sides too... But I'm looking at about 10 pounds here in just over 2 weeks. And little increase in fat. At 4000 cal on training days and 3500 on off days.
Have to admit I didn't stick to cardio plan. I need to get that on track.
 
Jm88888 said:
Yes. However I def have some abdominal bloat and I'm getting slightly labored breathing sides. Going to need to toy around with AI dosage, because the sides are frustrating.
The 677 probably is exasperating the sides too... But I'm looking at about 10 pounds here in just over 2 weeks. And little increase in fat. At 4000 cal on training days and 3500 on off days.
Have to admit I didn't stick to cardio plan. I need to get that on track.
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Are the only sides your having bloat and labored breathing? How about BP?
 
I haven't checked BP yet. But the breathing isn't really like I'm out of breath. I am running with my kids a lot no issues. It's more like pressure from bloat, is causing me to try and take a deep breath... I'll check the BP though...
 
I am close to having AI dialed in. 12.5 every 48 hours seems to have knocked out symptoms. But joints are a bit achy now. Going to go with 6.25 Every 24. Thinking that should be right on.
 
So bad in fact had to cut the. Session short....
Week 3 Overhead press and shoulder assistance
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I might need to push back deads til Saturday. Don't want to be doing those dry joints... Hoping that 100 mg trest can get the joints nice and lubed up.... I was cursing the bloat, but this is F'ing worse!!!!
 
Week 3 Deadlift and back assistance
***DEADLIFT REP PR***
395x7
***DEADLIFT PR Single**^
435x1 this was after I set a rep PR at 395

Training Log
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JahCure said:
Don't block too much of that estrogen, you'll be hindering gains as well
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How do you feel about 12.5mg of Exemistane ED on a Trest (20mg ed) and Ostarine (25mg ed) cycle. Don't know if I'm prone to Gyno (first cycle), my nipples are always puffy when I'm not lifting but I don't know if that has anything to do with my estrogen levels
 
Oral Trest..... AND the reason I went ahead and made it every day is because I believe I had slight of a prolactin issue (very very very small amount of clear discharge from nipple when I got paranoid and decided to pinch them)
 
Geoffr said:
How do you feel about 12.5mg of Exemistane ED on a Trest (20mg ed) and Ostarine (25mg ed) cycle. Don't know if I'm prone to Gyno (first cycle), my nipples are always puffy when I'm not lifting but I don't know if that has anything to do with my estrogen levels
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The cycle is a bit weird. Ostarine may not shut you down, Trest surly does. IMHO, LGD and Trest would be a way better combo, -or Ostarine solo.
 
Geoffr said:
Oral Trest..... AND the reason I went ahead and made it every day is because I believe I had slight of a prolactin issue (very very very small amount of clear discharge from nipple when I got paranoid and decided to pinch them)
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Any nipple, squeezing hard enough, shows a discharge.
The compounds you use -and dosage will most likely NOT give you issues with gyno.
 
Geoffr said:
Oral Trest..... AND the reason I went ahead and made it every day is because I believe I had slight of a prolactin issue (very very very small amount of clear discharge from nipple when I got paranoid and decided to pinch them)
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Whats your BF% ?
 
hairygrandpa said:
Whats your BF% ?
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I know it's a bit odd, I was already on 6 weeks of Ostarine and MK677, the source was junk for both so I wanted to try another source (PRE) for the remaining 6 weeks of my cycle to complete a full 12 week cycle. I didn't see the point in running anything for only 6 weeks so I kept the Ostarine going and added oral trest to dabble in my first real compound. 8-9% bf

But why Ostarine solo over Ostarine and trest?
 
Geoffr said:
How do you feel about 12.5mg of Exemistane ED on a Trest (20mg ed) and Ostarine (25mg ed) cycle. Don't know if I'm prone to Gyno (first cycle), my nipples are always puffy when I'm not lifting but I don't know if that has anything to do with my estrogen levels
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I feel like 12.5 mg is too much every 3rd day for me... I personally like the feeling of higher estrogen... Just not to the point where I feel like I have a basketball in my stomach and can't breath normal breaths... I'm basically just going to dose 12.5 when symptoms come on... The over bloated symptoms.... Probably every 3 to 4 days. But it forces me to really stay tuned in to how I'm feeling.
 
hairygrandpa said:
The cycle is a bit weird. Ostarine may not shut you down, Trest surly does. IMHO, LGD and Trest would be a way better combo, -or Ostarine solo.
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I was just gonna say same.... I would say osta with something like dermacrine if you really want a base and are planning to dial up the osta. Trest is a steroid that's gonna shut you down. You may as well go all in with your SARM choice if you are shutting your self down anyway.
 
Geoffr said:
I know it's a bit odd, I was already on 6 weeks of Ostarine and MK677, the source was junk for both so I wanted to try another source (PRE) for the remaining 6 weeks of my cycle to complete a full 12 week cycle. I didn't see the point in running anything for only 6 weeks so I kept the Ostarine going and added oral trest to dabble in my first real compound. 8-9% bf

But why Ostarine solo over Ostarine and trest?
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The reason would be, you are using Osta which is mainly good because you get "some" androgen receptor activity with minimal to no suppression depending on dose...
Once you dive into Trest you are now in the AAS world... The compound is going to force your body to stop running on testosterone and begin running on Trestolone.
Because of this you are going to need a FULL PCT plan. If you are going to go through all of this work, you should make sure to make the most of the cycle and get powerful SARMS, prohormones, or other steroids in your system...
LGD will highly suppress or shut you down and is way more powerful than osta.

That's the theory anyway.... Does that help?
 
Full PCT def planned, I already have my Nolva and Clomid on hand. I just done wanna **** with gyno and I don't wanna be reactive I wanna be proactive, should I dose it EOD?

I actually have LGD on hand, I just didn't know if a 6 week cycle was even worth it now that I'm 6 weeks into Ostarine. It's also from another source which I wasn't to happy with.
 
Geoffr said:
I know it's a bit odd, I was already on 6 weeks of Ostarine and MK677, the source was junk for both so I wanted to try another source (PRE) for the remaining 6 weeks of my cycle to complete a full 12 week cycle. I didn't see the point in running anything for only 6 weeks so I kept the Ostarine going and added oral trest to dabble in my first real compound. 8-9% bf

But why Ostarine solo over Ostarine and trest?
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Why Ostarine solo? Because it doesn't shut your own Testosterone production down as hard as Trest.
The moment you decided to use Trest, you are shut down, period. Trest was invented for that purpose, a male contraceptive that SUBSTITUTES test.
Look at it like this:
Lets say your own testosterone in your body has a value of 100. Ostarine lowers it to 70. Trest at 20mg/d+ Ostarine lowers it to 20.
Using Ostarine only would leave you with 80% of your natural test. Trest substitutes your bodies own test, but your dosage is only 20mg....
At the end, you are running a cycle with lower Test/Trest then running Ostarine solo.
Difficult to explain, but obvious if you think about it.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Why Ostarine solo? Because it doesn't shut your own Testosterone production down as hard as Trest.
The moment you decided to use Trest, you are shut down, period. Trest was invented for that purpose, a male contraceptive that SUBSTITUTES test.
Look at it like this:
Lets say your own testosterone in your body has a value of 100. Ostarine lowers it to 70. Trest at 20mg/d+ Ostarine lowers it to 20.
Using Ostarine only would leave you with 80% of your natural test. Trest substitutes your bodies own test, but your dosage is only 20mg....
At the end, you are running a cycle with lower Test/Trest then running Ostarine solo.
Difficult to explain, but obvious if you think about it.
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Think of it like this... Why would someone choose to use Ostarine over LGD? The main reason on average, the fact you can use without suppression and recovery with out full PCT, depending on dose. So far with me?

Why would someone decide to use Trest. Typically folks use Trest as a "base" so they don't experience any of the "side effects" from suppression or shut down. Also there is the added benefit that the stuff by itself is absolute GOLD for bulking. However, even though you feel NONE of the side effects of SHUTDOWN make no mistake you are.

Basically nothing wrong with what you are doing.... Except you are basically flushing osta down the toilet. You are not reaping the main benefits of compound while on Trest. Just like someone in my opinion is flushing LGD down the toilet without using a suitable test base/or replacement....
 
Jm88888 said:
Think of it like this... Why would someone choose to use Ostarine over LGD? The main reason on average, the fact you can use without suppression and recovery with out full PCT, depending on dose. So far with me?

Why would someone decide to use Trest. Typically folks use Trest as a "base" so they don't experience any of the "side effects" from suppression or shut down. Also there is the added benefit that the stuff by itself is absolute GOLD for bulking. However, even though you feel NONE of the side effects of SHUTDOWN make no mistake you are.

Basically nothing wrong with what you are doing.... Except you are basically flushing osta down the toilet. You are not reaping the main benefits of compound while on Trest. Just like someone in my opinion is flushing LGD down the toilet without using a suitable test base/or replacement....
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Well put. More coherent than my post.
 
**UPDATE!**

That all makes perfect sense thanks for the clarity!

Since I already have the LGD I'm just going to add it into my cycle. If its bunk like I suspected the other compounds I got from the other source were oh well, I'm still running the Osta along side it because I know it's from a legit source (PRE)
 
Geoffr said:
**UPDATE!**

That all makes perfect sense thanks for the clarity!

Since I already have the LGD I'm just going to add it into my cycle. If its bunk like I suspected the other compounds I got from the other source were oh well, I'm still running the Osta along side it because I know it's from a legit source (PRE)
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You said earlier, you are at 8-9% BF, that makes heavy aromatization unlikely. Here what I would do:
10mg trest mornings, 20mg trest pre workout, LGD at 10mg/day ramping up to 15mg, 12.5mg exem e3d. Duration 8 weeks.
Followed by PCT: clomid 50/50/30/30
 
hairygrandpa said:
You said earlier, you are at 8-9% BF, that makes heavy aromatization unlikely. Here what I would do:
10mg trest mornings, 20mg trest pre workout, LGD at 10mg/day ramping up to 15mg, 12.5mg exem e3d. Duration 8 weeks.
Followed by PCT: clomid 50/50/30/30
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I like it grandpa! I shall proceed with that sir. Sorry if I took away from the original poster! Wasn't trying to hijack the thread!
 
Jm88888 said:
I feel like 12.5 mg is too much every 3rd day for me... I personally like the feeling of higher estrogen... Just not to the point where I feel like I have a basketball in my stomach and can't breath normal breaths... I'm basically just going to dose 12.5 when symptoms come on... The over bloated symptoms.... Probably every 3 to 4 days. But it forces me to really stay tuned in to how I'm feeling.
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How often are you still dosing your Exemistane 12.5? Every 3 days or just with symptoms?m arise?
 
hairygrandpa said:
You said earlier, you are at 8-9% BF, that makes heavy aromatization unlikely. Here what I would do:
10mg trest mornings, 20mg trest pre workout, LGD at 10mg/day ramping up to 15mg, 12.5mg exem e3d. Duration 8 weeks.
Followed by PCT: clomid 50/50/30/30
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So glad to see this said by someone. This is my next cycle starting in 4 weeks. I think it is gonna be killer!
 
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Week 4 Bench and Chest assistance
Training Log

Nothing left in the tank cut last set short. Literally nothing left...
 
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Sit ups plate 45lb x 15 x 2
Side bend 110 lbs dumbbell 15 reps, 13 reps

Week 4 Squat day
Training log
 
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